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Arsenic Lupin posted:Trump was in a phone call with Taiwan's president. I'm sure this call was made in full awareness of the political implications.
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I'm not sure the Chinese quite know what to do, I'm sure they weren't expecting this. A trade war would wouldn't help them any more than it would us and the PRC's legitimacy is bound up in the teetering economy - but what if a clear enemy were to emerge?
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Mozi posted:I'm not sure the Chinese quite know what to do, I'm sure they weren't expecting this. A trade war would wouldn't help them any more than it would us and the PRC's legitimacy is bound up in the teetering economy - but what if a clear enemy were to emerge? The CCP would create a clear enemy even if one didn't emerge and have been in the process of trying to make the US into one for a couple years now.
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All I can say is I hope I'm wrong!
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You may be wondering why the call... turns out Trump wants to build luxury hotels in Taiwan.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:You may be wondering why the call... turns out Trump wants to build luxury hotels in Taiwan. Well he needs to ask Xi Jinping if he can build them in China's Taiwan province
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Who said it? "China won't do poo poo about the US. They won't start a trade war and they won't do anything with their military. They need us more than we need them economically." Was it, Uncle Marty at Thanksgiving, or goons in the China megathread?
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Who said it? China hasn't done anything in response yet though.
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XyrlocShammypants posted:Who said it? Literally everyone without a financial interest in China continuing as is, I would imagine. China isn't going to do poo poo militarily because Trump and Mattis are absolutely willing to escalate with them. Trump is the guy who asked multiple times in the same meeting why we can't use nukes if we have them, you can't assume he's a rational actor. As for a trade war, we aren't as diversified into China as most places. We can absolutely burn them to the ground and have it be a really, really bad year for us. For them, it'd be the end of their entire social order. Dumbshits shouldn't have spent decades breeding the most whiny and entitled capitalists the world had ever seen if they didn't know how to make an economy work.
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So Marco Rubio gave Jeb's "Sword of Chang" to Donald.
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I don't think you understand how strongly China feels about this issue. You don't have to believe me but in my opinion you are in for a surprise.
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Mozi posted:I don't think you understand how strongly China feels about this issue. I hope you're wrong but probably not. I wouldn't be too surprised to see the government start a war over face.
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Trump claims Taipei called him. (Hint: The President doesn't take any calls he doesn't want to.) Taipei disagrees. http://twitter.com/JessicaHuseman/status/804849706975326208 https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/804848711599882240
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Invisible Handjob posted:I hope you're wrong but probably not. I wouldn't be too surprised to see the government start a war over face. Again they won't be declaring war tomorrow but this is going to set a very confrontational tone of US-China relations where we are already buzzing each other in the South China Sea and it's hard to see The Donald de-escalating any issue, isn't it? It's been 20 years since the Straight crisis so many people may have forgotten that China will put their money where their mouth is on this issue.
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Mozi posted:Again they won't be declaring war tomorrow but this is going to set a very confrontational tone of US-China relations where we are already buzzing each other in the South China Sea and it's hard to see The Donald de-escalating any issue, isn't it? It's been 20 years since the Straight crisis so many people may have forgotten that China will put their money where their mouth is on this issue. China backed down in the Strait crisis
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I mean I suppose it's possible that China is spiteful enough to murder the world if they can't be a superpower, but they'd pretty much have to. There's nothing short of that they can really do here. Trump is a narcissist, Trump will never deescalate unless he has an excuse. Geopolitical conflicts like this don't give the sort of excuses he's comfortable using. Like he can say he "Never settles cases" and then settle his university lawsuit because he's too busy BEING THE NEXT PRESIDENT, but there's really no up power position from a conflict with China. It'd have to be like "Well I was going to push back against the Chinese, but I was too busy BUILDING OUR MOON BASE AND ENACTING THE AMERICAN SPACE EMPIRE!", and as crazy as he is I don't see him funding NASA. No President is that crazy.
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Fojar38 posted:China backed down in the Strait crisis We cannot afford to be creating these crises. What you say is true but risks are associated with probabilities and creating the conditions for higher risks is not a good idea. Nobody knew how the Straight crisis was going to go when it was in progress. I am personally very curious as to what the Chinese will do because I did not imagine this would happen.
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Watch Trump turn out to be a strong hawk on China and successfully create a regional block of Asian countries opposed to them, after the PRC media insults him enough
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Personally I think he should just own the fact that he called Taiwan and spoke with their President. I'm in the very awkward position of finding Trump too moderate.
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If Trump continues to poo poo on China for the next 4 years like this, I'll vote for him in 2020.
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What's the Taiwan Relations Act...?
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Hey, Russia. Think you could hack this sucker's documents and get him impeached? A grateful world would approve.
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It's gonna be cool when Trump obliterated the one china policy to the extent that future presidents don't even bother with the charade anymore. Also we are all dead.
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Pretty excited now that I've seen a possible path for full recognition of Taiwan https://twitter.com/joshgreenman/status/804828278766915585
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This is it! Trump's first twitter battle with a foreign nation! 49 days until the inauguration. 
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Hey, Russia. Think you could hack this sucker's documents and get him impeached? A grateful world would approve. Ah yes, (non-Shadow) President Mike Pence would be much better...
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Horseshoe theory posted:Ah yes, President Mike Pence would be much better... Well they could fire thermonuclear weapons at the top 50 population centers and we'd avoid that.
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shrike82 posted:If Trump continues to poo poo on China for the next 4 years like this, I'll vote for him in 2020. No, vote for one of the stodgy D&D dorks who have all the answers!
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Horseshoe theory posted:Ah yes, (non-Shadow) President Mike Pence would be much better... At this point, I will quite seriously settle for competent evil over incompetent evil. Pence is somewhat less likely to decide to conduct official U.S. business over his unsecured cellphone and over Twitter.
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Mike Pence is massively incompetent as a leader too. The best you can say is he's a massively incompetent politician, so at least he vaguely understands the rules of the game. And then shortly after saying that you'd watch him rounding people up to put into camps so they can have the human being beaten out of them.
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Fojar38 posted:Personally I think he should just own the fact that he called Taiwan and spoke with their President. I'm in the very awkward position of finding Trump too moderate. Doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.
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Grand Fromage posted:I bet the CCP is feeling real smart about supporting Trump right now. I'm sure the CCCP is as well.
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Mulva posted:Mike Pence is massively incompetent as a leader too. The best you can say is he's a massively incompetent politician, so at least he vaguely understands the rules of the game. And then shortly after saying that you'd watch him rounding people up to put into camps so they can have the human being beaten out of them. Yeah, an impeached Trump is at best a lateral move. Pence wouldn't get impeached, too.
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