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Fulchrum posted:Normalize the system in every state. Don't just have a weird patchwork of ballots and caucuses, winner take all and proportional, and states going back to vote again and again. quote:Under the Delegate Selection Rules for the 2016 Democratic National Convention, all states are required to proportionally allocated delegates with a standard qualifying threshold set at 15%.
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AceRimmer posted:There were no winner take all states in the Democratic primary fyi Fair enough, but the rest of the point stands.
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Dec 3, 2016 05:51
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i don't have high hopes for the democrats tbqh
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so do contested primaries actually have a negative impact on the eventual general candidate or is that an establishment lie meant to squash dissent?
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Dec 3, 2016 05:59
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comingafteryouall posted:so do contested primaries actually have a negative impact on the eventual general candidate or is that an establishment lie meant to squash dissent? I don't know the answer to this question, but if there's anything that 2016 has taught us, it's that the party should not interfere in party primaries to the greatest extent possible, if only to force the eventual winner to be as adaptive and flexible as possible.
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Dec 3, 2016 06:01
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Pollyanna posted:i don't have high hopes for the democrats tbqh Don't post with Democrats over there, post here.
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Dec 3, 2016 06:10
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There's a lot of wet blankets, its time to oppose them all on forums, comments, not give in and pretend you know no better. Not gonna let them re-write a 2000-like script and blame people who want to help.
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Dec 3, 2016 06:13
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AceRimmer posted:There were no winner take all states in the Democratic primary fyi Fulchrum's true identity of Hillary's 2008 campaign manager revealed.
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Dec 3, 2016 06:14
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Jesus christ, that Harvard roundtable discussion. There's a point some time after the one hour mark where the Clinton lady goes absolutely crazy. She says that anyone who said "I would vote for a woman just not this woman" are sexist because Clinton is the best woman, if anything that was their problem, Clinton was so far ahead all the other women there were no women to compare her to to show how great she is. And when people said "There's something about her, I just don't like her or trust her" that was also sexist because people have been saying that about Clinton for her entire career. How the heck did Hillary Clinton of all people manage to build a cult of personality?
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Dec 3, 2016 06:18
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"Well, we don't want people to think Hillary is soft...." "Make it the most angular loving thing possible that's repulsive to look at." Pollyanna posted:i don't have high hopes for the democrats tbqh Same, I'd rather do blanket volunteering and stuff like that than have anything to do with the DNC again. I'm not sure the primaries are worth it, but maybe I'll change my mind by the time they come around. Still gonna vote for 'em, though.
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Dec 3, 2016 06:19
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Guy Goodbody posted:How the heck did Hillary Clinton of all people manage to build a cult of personality? When liberal professionals have nowhere else to go, they'll choose any port in a storm
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Dec 3, 2016 06:20
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Guy Goodbody posted:Jesus christ, that Harvard roundtable discussion. There's a point some time after the one hour mark where the Clinton lady goes absolutely crazy. She says that anyone who said "I would vote for a woman just not this woman" are sexist because Clinton is the best woman, if anything that was their problem, Clinton was so far ahead all the other women there were no women to compare her to to show how great she is. And when people said "There's something about her, I just don't like her or trust her" that was also sexist because people have been saying that about Clinton for her entire career. It isn't Hillary per say but the Democratic Party in general. Establishment voters like establishment candidates.
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punk rebel ecks posted:It isn't Hillary per say but the Democratic Party in general. Establishment voters like establishment candidates. And establishment voters don't know how to shut the gently caress up when they lost everything for everyone. It's why the prospects are bad. Still gotta try.
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Dec 3, 2016 06:22
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Guy Goodbody posted:
Yas Queen memes?
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Dec 3, 2016 06:28
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Yass Qween cannot be slay, only slay.
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Dec 3, 2016 06:29
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Guy Goodbody posted:How the heck did Hillary Clinton of all people manage to build a cult of personality?
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if you work for the hillary campaign and worked really hard and believed what you were doing was right its really not surprising that you'd rationalize your loss. like, dont get me wrong, i think sexism was part of why hillary lost, but she went up against mango mussolini of all people. a win was well within her power. this wasn't like some squeaker where she went up a folksy charmer with a well-oiled campaign machine.
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Dec 3, 2016 06:34
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Pollyanna posted:i don't have high hopes for the democrats tbqh I dunno, I'm tentatively hopeful about the rebuilding process. It seems like all the establishment Dems have gone into hiding and are letting the progressive wing take control of the party leadership and messaging. The Democrats aren't nearly as hosed up and worthless as Labour is right now.
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Dec 3, 2016 06:36
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anime was right posted:if you work for the hillary campaign and worked really hard and believed what you were doing was right its really not surprising that you'd rationalize your loss. The biggest thing for Democrats to process is that for a year they considered Trump by far the weakest candidate but in retrospect no other GOP nominee would have won WI, MI and PA. Cruz probably loses OH and FL, Rubio loses everything in the Rust Belt besides Indiana and Kasich wins Ohio and maybe Virginia in an upset but gets crushed everywhere else
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Dec 3, 2016 06:40
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Trump was the only one who had similar name recognition as Hillary, and also similar unfavorables so in hindsight it shouldn't be surprising that it was close but lol the cobbening is real and it is all of us
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Dec 3, 2016 06:47
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Guy Goodbody posted:How the heck did Hillary Clinton of all people manage to build a cult of personality? same way stalin did, fill the party with your hanger ons and cronies
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My second favorite part of that roundtable is the moderator asking the Clinton team, "in retrospect, should you have spent less time on debate prep and used that time for campaigning?" The Clinton guy responds, "uhhh, we won those debates by the biggest margins ever, so..."
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Dec 3, 2016 06:52
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Guy Goodbody posted:Jesus christ, that Harvard roundtable discussion. There's a point some time after the one hour mark where the Clinton lady goes absolutely crazy. She says that anyone who said "I would vote for a woman just not this woman" are sexist because Clinton is the best woman, if anything that was their problem, Clinton was so far ahead all the other women there were no women to compare her to to show how great she is. And when people said "There's something about her, I just don't like her or trust her" that was also sexist because people have been saying that about Clinton for her entire career. It was all Trump. People were so terrified of the idea of a Trump presidency, they latched onto the person who was the most likely to save then.
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Dec 3, 2016 06:54
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MizPiz posted:It was all Trump. People were so terrified of the idea of a Trump presidency, they latched onto the person who was the least likely to save them. Fixed.
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Dec 3, 2016 06:56
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One more amazing thing from the roundtable: The Clinton campaign saw a lot of people online and IRL who were sort of lukewarm about their support of Hillary, not very enthusiastic. That's because the email scandal made people afraid of the social backlash they'd get if they made it clear that they really loved Hillary Clinton a lot.
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Dec 3, 2016 07:04
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UHD posted:seems like a good rule in presidential campaigns is "don't poo poo on the electorate" What if you don't poo poo on them, but rather walk into their town and tell them that you'll make sure they're all unemployed? Would that help?
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Dec 3, 2016 07:23
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Guy Goodbody posted:One more amazing thing from the roundtable: The Clinton campaign saw a lot of people online and IRL who were sort of lukewarm about their support of Hillary, not very enthusiastic. That's because the email scandal made people afraid of the social backlash they'd get if they made it clear that they really loved Hillary Clinton a lot. I mean, can you actually name any other reasons why people weren't enthusiastic about Hillary? Sorry, could you repeat that?
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mugrim posted:What if you don't poo poo on them, but rather walk into their town and tell them that you'll make sure they're all unemployed? Would that help? doesn't that qualify as making GBS threads on them
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UHD posted:doesn't that qualify as making GBS threads on them Technically you're not insulting them, just you're just letting them know their material security is entirely irrelevant to you.
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Dec 3, 2016 07:38
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mugrim posted:Technically you're not insulting them, just you're just letting them know their material security is entirely irrelevant to you. It's not entirely irrelevant, you care enough to want to make sure they're all unemployed. If nothing else, it's at least insulting.
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Dec 3, 2016 07:42
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anime was right posted:if you work for the hillary campaign and worked really hard and believed what you were doing was right its really not surprising that you'd rationalize your loss. I have a friend on facebook who is a staffer and has all these photos of her with HIllary so I get to see what the former rank-and-file foot soldiers think. There was a guy who legit said that Trump was destined to win because 8 years of any party in the White House usually gives it to the opposite party, and he was even congratulating Hillary on coming this close to winning despite the overwhelming odds. 
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Rand alPaul posted:There was a guy who legit said that Trump was destined to win because 8 years of any party in the White House usually gives it to the opposite party, and he was even congratulating Hillary on coming this close to winning despite the overwhelming odds. this is a real thing, actually
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Rand alPaul posted:I have a friend on facebook who is a staffer and has all these photos of her with HIllary so I get to see what the former rank-and-file foot soldiers think. There was a guy who legit said that Trump was destined to win because 8 years of any party in the White House usually gives it to the opposite party, and he was even congratulating Hillary on coming this close to winning despite the overwhelming odds. That was kinda floating around d&d & cspam primary threads as well, but it was believed Hillary broke the cycle after pussy-gate.
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MizPiz posted:It's not entirely irrelevant, you care enough to want to make sure they're all unemployed. If nothing else, it's at least insulting. So going forward we need to get down on our hands and loving knees and start sucking that coal dick? That thing you're referring to was her talking about transitioning from coal mining to green energy jobs that, among other things, don't give out black lung. If that is just a sign that you secretly hate them so loving much and secretly wish they would all die, what the hell response is there outside of talking about how global warming is a hoax by the chinese?
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Dec 3, 2016 08:24
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Guy Goodbody posted:How the heck did Hillary Clinton of all people manage to build a cult of personality? She was a woman willing and mostly successful at fighting through a male-dominated world to reach the cusp of ultimate power over the course of like 30 years and dealt with a lot of poo poo that many women can relate to
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Dec 3, 2016 09:06
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Fulchrum posted:So at this point, messaging and party vision for all three (four if Hogue jumps in) is almost virtually identical, it's now down to who says it. wouldn't we want someone who works at the position full-time rather than part-time?
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Dec 3, 2016 09:12
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Mutant Standard posted:wouldn't we want someone who works at the position full-time rather than part-time? I'm kinda hoping Ellison vacates his seat. His district isn't in danger of flipping and I'd rather he focus his full efforts on saving the DNC than accomplishing nothing in a GOP-dominated House.
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Dec 3, 2016 09:23
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I honestly thought we were going to have that joint-chair situation with Dean and Ellison but I guess that's gone now.
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mugrim posted:Technically you're not insulting them, just you're just letting them know their material security is entirely irrelevant to you. my worldview allows for a making GBS threads to be both insulting and marginalizing maybe some other stuff too it's pretty flexible
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Mutant Standard posted:wouldn't we want someone who works at the position full-time rather than part-time? Again, Ellisson has said he'll likely drop his seat if he gets the job, so that's all four too. My point is, it's becoming apparent it doesn't need to be Ellisson specifically, everyone in the party has agreed that the focus has to go back to the ground game, and that every election that happens on every level should have the parties focus. Now it has become purely about the minutiae.
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