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MA-Horus posted:"Hey DS9 remember how your science officer got murdered by an insane demi-god? Well guess what we're putting a person with all her memories and none of the qualifications back onto your station, I'm sure that won't be awkward at all!" Which was even worse for Worf, as the show pointed out. How could he believe his wife was in the afterlife when she was walking around the station in a teenage boy's body? Putting Ezri on the station didn't make sense either from an in-universe perspective or from a story-telling one. I think they should have had Ezri leave with her ship again, maybe have an episode part way through the series where she visits the station once people have had time to grieve and move on a little. Could still have done the storyline of Worf's religion being at odds with the reality of the Trill, with Sisko helping him through it as he's been close to a Dax that died before. Of course, Ezri was still a better character than anyone on Voyager outside the Doctor.
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Animal-Mother posted:TNG season 3, The Enemy. Worf refuses to save a guy's life. Picard is fine with this. Worf doesn't get kicked out of Starfleet. He literally killed the Klingon chancellor TWICE. Kirk got life on a penal colony for just being captain of the ship that assassins beamed from. Rules don't apply to Worf. See also: being a security head who can't hit poo poo with his sidearm. Zerg Mans fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Dec 2, 2016 |
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zegermans posted:He literally killed the Klingon chancellor TWICE. Kirk got life on a penal colony for just being captain of the ship that assassins beamed from. Obviously it's because they made him use a dinky little Feddie phaser and not one of those Klingon Buntline things. Also, knives don't have stun settings, so he was kinda out of his element.
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They def needed to establish wharf's credentials early with a wrestling match against a big bad guy THEN you can have drama when something's badder than him later
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I feel like I'd enjoy TNG more if Worf were a loud boisterous murder Klingon like Martok instead of an understated simmering with impatience and frustration Klingon. I know they're a disciplined enlightened crew but TNG kind of reminds me of sitting in a waiting room. Like there should be a little table on the bridge that has a bunch of magazines on it. It's like life in space is their day job instead of their passion.[/2cents]
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MrSlam posted:I feel like I'd enjoy TNG more if Worf were a loud boisterous murder Klingon like Martok instead of an understated simmering with impatience and frustration Klingon. I know they're a disciplined enlightened crew but TNG kind of reminds me of sitting in a waiting room. Like there should be a little table on the bridge that has a bunch of magazines on it. It's like life in space is their day job instead of their passion.[/2cents] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edflm7Hh3hs
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MrSlam posted:I feel like I'd enjoy TNG more if Worf were a loud boisterous murder Klingon like Martok instead of an understated simmering with impatience and frustration Klingon. I know they're a disciplined enlightened crew but TNG kind of reminds me of sitting in a waiting room. Like there should be a little table on the bridge that has a bunch of magazines on it. It's like life in space is their day job instead of their passion.[/2cents] A lot of conversations in TNG come off as a run through of pros and cons bullet points for the matter at hand and no one is passionate about anything unless they're being psychically controlled or something.
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MrSlam posted:I feel like I'd enjoy TNG more if Worf were a loud boisterous murder Klingon like Martok instead of an understated simmering with impatience and frustration Klingon. I know they're a disciplined enlightened crew but TNG kind of reminds me of sitting in a waiting room. Like there should be a little table on the bridge that has a bunch of magazines on it. It's like life in space is their day job instead of their passion.[/2cents] I'm not sure Martok quite fell into the loud murder klingon camp. He seemed to get along well with pretty much anyone and just liked to get his drink on.
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MrSlam posted:I feel like I'd enjoy TNG more if Worf were a loud boisterous murder Klingon like Martok instead of an understated simmering with impatience and frustration Klingon. I know they're a disciplined enlightened crew but TNG kind of reminds me of sitting in a waiting room. Like there should be a little table on the bridge that has a bunch of magazines on it. It's like life in space is their day job instead of their passion.[/2cents] Dude had two human parents, a human upbringing, in a human society. But with a Klingon temperament. He is perfectly cast as the simmering frustrated conflicted one. Every moment he wants to just lash out but knows he can't. It would be strange if he was Martok like.
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zegermans posted:He literally killed the Klingon chancellor TWICE. Kirk got life on a penal colony for just being captain of the ship that assassins beamed from. Kirk got the penal colony because he was human and the two races were still very much at war. The Klingons were being polite with the upcoming Accords and could easily have just had Kirk executed. Worf got away with his poo poo because he was a Klingon and did it the Klingon way - by challenging them and beating their poo poo in in a legitimised challenge of combat.
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MrSlam posted:I feel like I'd enjoy TNG more if Worf were a loud boisterous murder Klingon like Martok instead of an understated simmering with impatience and frustration Klingon. I know they're a disciplined enlightened crew but TNG kind of reminds me of sitting in a waiting room. Like there should be a little table on the bridge that has a bunch of magazines on it. It's like life in space is their day job instead of their passion.[/2cents] Being in space actually is their day job though. You'd think that for every day they encounter a space amoeba that mind rapes Counselor Troi there'd have been hundreds where nothing loving happened
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Gul Dukat is such an amazing villain  The whole malfunction security system monologue is a thing of beauty.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Gul Dukat is such an amazing villain ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS.
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I've been rewatching most of DS9 and its even better the second time going through those early seasons knowing the pay off. Dukat does indeed own, such a perfect rear end in a top hat. I had read since watching it the first time that the studio or producers or whatever really, really wanted to kill bashir because everyone hated him, so it was kinda neat to watch his story with that kind of pressure in the background. I always thought Julian was a smug prick, but charming in that way. I also read that they wanted to make old lady Troi a more frequent character and all I have to say is thank loving christ that didn't work out.
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"Let's see what's the next episo- Meridian?" >skip Wait which episode is the one where Sisko spergs out and builds a wooden space ship and Dukat greets him at Cardassia with space fireworks?
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Explorers. Season 3, episode 22. First appearance of the Sisko Beard.
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Met posted:Explorers. Season 3, episode 22. First appearance of the Sisko Beard. Your halfway to great Sisko. He just needs to be bald and your there.
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MrSlam posted:I feel like I'd enjoy TNG more if Worf were a loud boisterous murder Klingon like Martok instead of an understated simmering with impatience and frustration Klingon. I know they're a disciplined enlightened crew but TNG kind of reminds me of sitting in a waiting room. Like there should be a little table on the bridge that has a bunch of magazines on it. It's like life in space is their day job instead of their passion.[/2cents] It helps if you think of Worf as being more Russian than Klingon.
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Like I'm pretty sure Russian kids kill each other all the time playing soccer. Nothing strange about that.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Gul Dukat is such an amazing villain It's a real high point in the series.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Gul Dukat is such an amazing villain That episode is definitely in my top ten. The best part is either Garak's "I've made a huge mistake" face or Gul Dukat gloating around ops while disruptor fire flies all around him.
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The best part is when Dukat realizes he's trapped there with them.
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The best part is when 3 station command crew are vaporized and nobody gives half a gently caress a week later or ever mentions it again. Nobody even got demoted over failing to do their job by leaving those systems intact. Looking at you "Chief", looking right at you.
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O'Brien was hoping that when it inevitably happened that he'd be one of the people who got zapped
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sweet geek swag posted:The best part is when Dukat realizes he's trapped there with them. That propelled that episode from really good to loving fantastic and I think that it was that episode where I decided I really really liked Dukat
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One of the reasons Dukat got cartoony evil was because of the studio. They were really upset that people were sympathizing and liking Dukat and were mad at the writers humanizing him and making him charismatic. He's an evil nazi and needs to be evil all the time. You can't possibly show the dangers of an evil but charismatic leader.
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Baronjutter posted:One of the reasons Dukat got cartoony evil was because of the studio. They were really upset that people were sympathizing and liking Dukat and were mad at the writers humanizing him and making him charismatic. He's an evil nazi and needs to be evil all the time. You can't possibly show the dangers of an evil but charismatic leader. Yo man gently caress the studio.
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Baronjutter posted:One of the reasons Dukat got cartoony evil was because of the studio. They were really upset that people were sympathizing and liking Dukat and were mad at the writers humanizing him and making him charismatic. He's an evil nazi and needs to be evil all the time. You can't possibly show the dangers of an evil but charismatic leader. Yeah it was a little over the top when he cucked that cult member and impregnated his wife then lied about the baby being a miracle to explain why it was part cardassian, then tried to throw her out of an airlock before trying to poison all of his followers so he didn't have to deal with them anymore.
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Fojar38 posted:That propelled that episode from really good to loving fantastic and I think that it was that episode where I decided I really really liked Dukat And the cherry on top is when dukat is blustering and garak is telling him it wont work. Garak then goes go to basically call Dukat out for trying to impress kira, and brings up that "he is a married man" Dukat's reaction shows its all real.
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Bashir is good Dukat is good (before he goes all mega-hitler) Garak is always good Bald bearded The Sisko is very good Avery Brooks playing Sisko is what happens when you take your drama teacher's suggestions about annunciation to heart bigly.
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MA-Horus posted:Bashir is good Isn't IT POS-SIBLE?!
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remember when dukat was kind of a good guy for about a season and everyone forgot about all the genocide like they arrested that one cardassian as a war criminal as soon as he showed up but dukat just comes and goes as he pleases
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I just watched Cost of Living. Somehow I had never seen this episode before. To my surprise, Ralp was in it. The episode was really bad except for Marina Sirtis being amazing. "Counselor Troi, have you no influence over your mother?" "Ha!"
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THE HIGHER THE FEWER
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Baronjutter posted:One of the reasons Dukat got cartoony evil was because of the studio. They were really upset that people were sympathizing and liking Dukat and were mad at the writers humanizing him and making him charismatic. He's an evil nazi and needs to be evil all the time. You can't possibly show the dangers of an evil but charismatic leader. Studios are like toddlers who must constantly be saved from killing themselves. Earlier in the series they were going to have Kira eventually fall for Dukat, until Nana Visitor is like "If you have the holocaust survivor fall in love with the slimy nazi camp commander, I will walk out on this show" so they didn't do it.
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Laid out, gul dukat is a monster but i understand why the studios panicked because the actor was just so drat good at selling the character
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The fact that he was a 3 dimensional character with at least some sympathetic motivations beyond twirling his mustache and eating babies is what made him such a great villain.
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counterfeitsaint posted:The fact that he was a 3 dimensional character with at least some sympathetic motivations beyond twirling his mustache and eating babies is what made him such a great villain. Dangerous too. A bad guy who is also super friendly and charming. The studio apparently didn't realize that the world's most infamous dictators and war criminals tend to not be really obvious psychopaths literally all the time. Something something Hitler was nice to his secretaries, loved his dog, and was a vegetarian
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Dukat is a better villain than Khan.
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