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lilljonas posted:Actually, no. Especially if you come from a country where you have a different perspective on distance.
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Zero Gravitas posted:Is this production cut by Opec going to do much for Norwegian industry? It's likely to, but how big an impact is anyone's guess. Smart money is getting out if oil regardless, at least long-term, so... ThaumPenguin posted:what the gently caress Yeah. I didn't even get to the interesting bits. Because all those potential issues can be combined in all sorts of fun and creative ways. Did you know certain easements that have higher priority than liens may survive even a foreclosure of the property? It's one weird fact that banks hate  Particularly as easements in Norway encompass a lot of different things.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:My balls-expensive perspective mostly relates to monetary terms. You can buy a good 92 sqm (3 br) apartment in downtown (literally in the middle, 20 minutes on foot to most of important things in the downtown area) Riga for 1.4 million SEK. Coming from Latvia, commute of an hour or so one way is in the high end of normal range.
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Alhazred posted:
Actually it'd be cool and good for the national budget to be designed by sleep-deprived shufflers.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I was mostly getting at weather in Bergen, i.e. "who wants to live there". Real estate is going to be insanely expensive anywhere in the Nordics, I think, unless you are buying a chunk of swamp beyond the polar circle. While the weather might be poo poo Bergen is considered a very beautiful city, and the food/nightlife/culture scene in the more northern cities have been skyrocketing recently. I doubt you'd find it cheap.
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ThaumPenguin posted:Actually it'd be cool and good for the national budget to be designed
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Cardiac posted:How many in the left have actually read Piketty, instead of just cherrypicking small factoids? I have, and even for a centrist like me, there are some pretty concerning issues he brings up. I read Piketty (twice because I'm stupid), but I also read Empire many years ago, which I'm pretty sure counts as a deduction in knowledge points. Anyway, in my opinion the only thing you need to know from Piketty is that r > g and that completely fucks neo-classical macro economic models (you know, the ones idiot politicians based all their policy decisions on). This is despite numerous other economists attempts to explain how r > g is actually perfectly normal, and you see the technology will make it so g=r and then... Completely ignoring that Piketty actually bases his analysis on an empirical foundation, as one of the very, very few economists. It doesn't really matter, since it's all bunk regardless. Economy as a discipline, has only has the barest - and only if you squint into the sun, and turn your head just so - shred of actual science to it. It's fundamentally a tautology, something that normative laissez-faire economists absolute hate being reminded of, whether they're called Knight, Mises or Friedman. For the latter you can read 'the methodolgy of postive economics' for a sophomoric view of theory of science, and too see that he barely makes any pretenses that economics is anything but inconsequential self-referential daydreaming, though in the end, his point, of course, becomes that the real problem is that economic theory is too good for empirical work 
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Revelation 2-13 posted:It doesn't really matter, since it's all bunk regardless. Economy as a discipline, has only has the barest - and only if you squint into the sun, and turn your head just so - shred of actual science to it. It's fundamentally a tautology, something that normative laissez-faire economists absolute hate being reminded of, whether they're called Knight, Mises or Friedman. For the latter you can read 'the methodolgy of postive economics' for a sophomoric view of theory of science, and too see that he barely makes any pretenses that economics is anything but inconsequential self-referential daydreaming, though in the end, his point, of course, becomes that the real problem is that economic theory is too good for empirical work Uh no, you're close but it's not tautology, it's philosophy. Political Science and National Economy are the most politically influential fields of research since basically ancient Athens and they are almost entirely built on philosophical arguments. This doesn't mean they do not hold value, it just means that they are poor tools for making predictive claims. A chemist can tell you with almost no fault what happens when x meets y in a chemical reaction. In contrast, ask a room of economists what the effects of tax cut y would be on demographic x and you'll get a myriad of answers. The problem is that society is simply too complex as an entity to be easily predicted, and scientists, especially with a quantitative bent, like overstating the predictive ability of the methodologies they develop based on their own ontological assumptions. Social sciences are more suited for explaining and understanding past events as there all relevant data can theoretically be known and controlled for.
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MiddleOne posted:Uh no, you're close but it's not tautology, it's philosophy. Political Science and National Economy are the most politically influential fields of research since basically ancient Athens and they are almost entirely built on philosophical arguments. This doesn't mean they do not hold value, it just means that they are poor tools for making predictive claims. A chemist can tell you with almost no fault what happens when x meets y in a chemical reaction. In contrast, ask a room of economists what the effects of tax cut y would be on demographic x and you'll get a myriad of answers. The problem is that society is simply too complex as an entity to be easily predicted, and scientists, especially with a quantitative bent, like overstating the predictive ability of the methodologies they develop based on their own ontological assumptions. Social sciences are more suited for explaining and understanding past events as there all relevant data can theoretically be known and controlled for. I'll agree to disagree on the first part. Like math and theoretical physics, economic theory is tautological in nature. The difference is that the first two can be successfully applied to the real world, primarily because they are not social sciences. Theory without empirical data in social science is silly, as is empirical data without theory (because there is always a theory, it's just whether you realize it or not), I follow Bourdieu on this. I'll agree to agree on the latter parts.
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Re: Bergen talk It doesn't rain all the time here Sometimes we get snow Though I may be biased it really is a beautiful city. Pity our local gov. and police force are a bunch of blundering asshats.
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Government Handjob posted:Re: Bergen talk So it's basically slightly colder Stockholm.
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Revelation 2-13 posted:I read Piketty (twice because I'm stupid), but I also read Empire many years ago, which I'm pretty sure counts as a deduction in knowledge points. Anyway, in my opinion the only thing you need to know from Piketty is that r > g and that completely fucks neo-classical macro economic models (you know, the ones idiot politicians based all their policy decisions on). This is despite numerous other economists attempts to explain how r > g is actually perfectly normal, and you see the technology will make it so g=r and then... Completely ignoring that Piketty actually bases his analysis on an empirical foundation, as one of the very, very few economists. I like Piketty, since like a real scientist should, he started with collecting a shitload of data first. Piketty making GBS threads on Marx for being bad with data collection in Capital cracked me up. r>g is one of the main things in his book, which implies the return of living on inherited money and therefore loving over making a career. The other thing is how the latter part of 20th century can be seen as the recovery from WW1 and WWII and the economic growth we saw from that period have now petered off. The massive increases in the welfare state was dependent on this massive growth and now when that is no longer the case, what happens now? MiddleOne posted:Uh no, you're close but it's not tautology, it's philosophy. Political Science and National Economy are the most politically influential fields of research since basically ancient Athens and they are almost entirely built on philosophical arguments. This doesn't mean they do not hold value, it just means that they are poor tools for making predictive claims. A chemist can tell you with almost no fault what happens when x meets y in a chemical reaction. In contrast, ask a room of economists what the effects of tax cut y would be on demographic x and you'll get a myriad of answers. The problem is that society is simply too complex as an entity to be easily predicted, and scientists, especially with a quantitative bent, like overstating the predictive ability of the methodologies they develop based on their own ontological assumptions. Social sciences are more suited for explaining and understanding past events as there all relevant data can theoretically be known and controlled for. Funny thing is that chemistry is not that easy once you come to the advanced stuff, like cell chemistry and so forth. There are a lot of blank spots there and especially biological systems are pretty much black boxes you poke in different ways seeing what makes them tickle. For example, predicting in advance what makes a specific molecule/protein crystallize is still unknown.
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Government Handjob posted:Re: Bergen talk Sorry, Bergen sucks: http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/tyskland/tysk-politi-stjaalet-arbeit-macht-frei-port-funnet-i-bergen/a/23862744/
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 Ahahaha loving burn you fuckers 
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Någon som vill vara med och äta citronmarinerad dalahäst med gamle jim jim? http://www.tradera.com/item/280404/270726333/jimmie-akesson-bjuder-pa-middag-
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It somehow makes sense that he considers tacos exotic.
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Alhazred posted:It somehow makes sense that he considers tacos exotic.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Even if it was Åkesson who wrote that blurb, tacos are indeed exotic since exotic can mean "foreign". But "tacos" as we know them are strictly western. Like I'm not even sure if taco's as we know it exists outside of Scandinavia, the UK and Ireland because I've sure never seen it anywhere else.
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MiddleOne posted:But "tacos" as we know them are strictly western. Like I'm not even sure if taco's as we know it exists outside of Scandinavia, the UK and Ireland because I've sure never seen it anywhere else.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Fair point, I recently had taco in Sweden for the first time, and that was fairly post-apocalyptic experience involving sour cream guacamole and shredded mozzarella over diced cucumber, as well as ICA taco sauce. You should rename that dish to köttfärsrulle. Well there's nothing stopping you from varying it up. It's the specific blend of cumin, coriander, oregano, paprika, cayenne and potato flour that gives it the iconic taste. You could just as well as mince meat use, chicken, soy or shredded carrots and garlic. And yeah probably.
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I think I had everything available on the desk piled in my tacos, something I paid for dearly during the acrobatic performance of consummation of the first one. It tasted nice, but I'm strongly unconvinced that it qualified as taco.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I think I had everything available on the desk piled in my tacos, something I paid for dearly during the acrobatic performance of consummation of the first one. It tasted nice, but I'm strongly unconvinced that it qualified as taco. It's an authentic in-authentic western Taco. That's how I described it to friend from Kazakhstan when she wondered what the gently caress the thing I was eating for dinner was.
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MiddleOne posted:It's an authentic in-authentic western Taco. That's how I described it to friend from Kazakhstan when she wondered what the gently caress the thing I was eating for dinner was.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:*with Kazakhstanian accent* Dekadenta västerlänningar, smh декадентские западники
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Det enda en taco inte bör innehålla är majs. Allt annat är tillåtet.
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I got blindsided by some holy war concerning the optimal tortilla temperature.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Even if it was Åkesson who wrote that blurb, tacos are indeed exotic since exotic can mean "foreign". It makes as much sense as calling pizza or spaghetti exotic.
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Alhazred posted:It makes as much sense as calling pizza or spaghetti exotic.
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Alhazred posted:Sorry, Bergen sucks: http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/tyskland/tysk-politi-stjaalet-arbeit-macht-frei-port-funnet-i-bergen/a/23862744/ Arna isn't Bergen 
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We survived pages upon pages of tedious pizza chat. I swear to god if you start posting about loving tacos...
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Fair point, I recently had taco in Sweden for the first time, and that was fairly post-apocalyptic experience involving sour cream guacamole and shredded mozzarella over diced cucumber, as well as ICA taco sauce. You should rename that dish to köttfärsrulle.  Beeswax posted:We survived pages upon pages of tedious pizza chat. I swear to god if you start posting about loving tacos... 
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evilmiera posted:Det enda en taco inte bör innehålla är majs. Allt annat är tillåtet. Mais er det eneste du ikke kan droppe i tacoen.
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http://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/bjorn-wiman-kan-man-tanka-sig-en-ny-svensk-patriotism-varfor-inte/quote:Till en början trodde vi inte våra öron. Scenen var en konferens med norska och svenska journalister och opinionsbildare på Voksenåsen ovanför Oslo, ett vackert hus som den norska staten skänkte som nationalgåva till Sverige som tack för den humanitära hjälpen under och strax efter andra världskriget. Nu stod de norska deltagarna i talarstolen, en efter en, och gav igen för gammal ost.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Manden har ret. Jeg har set en klar ændring i de normænd jeg har mødt over de sidste år, fra glade og imødekommende, til sure og fornærmede over Danmarks "kolonialtid" i Norge - der jo var mindst lige så slem som Belgiens i Congo. I feel like I've seen this change in people from all over (Europe, America) over the last decade or so. People have generally become more reserved and less carefree, and are more likely to pigeonhole each other based on minimal evidence. Sucks, but maybe it's just part of the Zeitgeist to dig up old grievances now. Though I think for anyone to be upset over Danish/Swedish colonialism in Norway at this point in time is downright bizarre, and I doubt it's a big thing. Sweden-bashing is, however, especially in the "alt news". There's a (not necessarily big) group of very loud people who specialize in spreading bile around 24/7, and it's p. loathsome.
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