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Concerned Citizen posted:to be fair, hillary was actually talking about her plans to help coal miners losing their jobs as the nation's energy profile changes. but that one sentence became the entire media story. nobody wants retraining it's a fundamentally flawed solution
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why is it such a loving shock that people don't want to lose their current job, lovely as it is, in exchange for some nebulous promise of a future job of some sort that may or may not be better? jesus christ people what the gently caress is wrong with you
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yes lets all just imagine this magical world where coal mining will become economically viable again
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Well What Now posted:why is it such a loving shock that people don't want to lose their current job, lovely as it is, in exchange for some nebulous promise of a future job of some sort that may or may not be better? Duh, of course. But the issue is coal jobs are going down anyway. One party actually cares and the other would replace them with automatons if they could.
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"this trump guy is actually good" ~ a couple of idiots
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Agrajag posted:yes lets all just imagine this magical world where coal mining will become economically viable again Darkman Fanpage posted:"this trump guy is actually good" ~ a couple of idiots holy poo poo is that not the point
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Agrajag posted:yes lets all just imagine this magical world where coal mining will become economically viable again well if we nationalize the mines we can just pay them to dig it up and then bury it again
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Well What Now posted:holy poo poo is that not the point They are broken people, just sigh and move on
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if nafta didnt gently caress workers and unions over so hard an uncharismatic democratic politician might have some credibility
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"your job is gonna die, vote for me" HOW DID THAT NOT WORK? WELL I GUESS IT'S JUST AN UNFATHOMABLE MYSTERY OF THE COSMOS SHRUGS CLINTONIANLY
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Well What Now posted:"your job is gonna die, vote for me" Telling the truth isn't always the politically smartest move.
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NO loving poo poo REALLY
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Concerned Citizen posted:Telling the truth isn't always the politically smartest move. If you do you gotta couple it with some sort of better alternative you are gonna fight for. Since the context of the speech has now been shared, we know she didnt, and only really stupid people would think she did.
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"in the long term the industry you work in is unsustainable so your job is gonna die" "ok, so how else am I gonna put food on my table in the meantime" "*crickets*"
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GlyphGryph posted:They are broken people, just sigh and move on all im arguing is that trump is not an isolationist. the guy is going to bomb the poo poo out of people just like every president of the 20th century and 21 century.
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Well What Now posted:"your job is gonna die, vote for me" And we're right the gently caress back to "the only solution is slobbering coals knob to a loving spitshine."
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calling Trump an isolationist is an insult to isolationists Trump isn't an anything, he's an unpredictable scatterbrained lunatic with no understanding of geopolitics and no ideology beyond making money the fact that someone like that Killing Hope dude is so enthused about having a man like that as President because he has a bug up his rear end about the CIA (however justified that bug might be) just shows he doesn't actually understand the subject he's supposedly an expert on
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Well What Now posted:Trump isn't an anything, he's an unpredictable scatterbrained lunatic with no understanding of geopolitics and no ideology beyond making money
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Well What Now posted:"in the long term the industry you work in is unsustainable so your job is gonna die" quote:
Look, there's nothing a Democrat can do to win coal country because as a party we have done a lot to end coal and we're going to continue to do that. I think we have a moral obligation to tell the truth and do what we can for coal workers even if it will never win us votes there. Disagree if you like, but no Democrat running on renewable energy will ever win coal country.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:all im arguing is that trump is not an isolationist. the guy is going to bomb the poo poo out of people just like every president of the 20th century. Probably yeah. Its not guaranteed though, just very likely
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Well What Now posted:the fact that someone like that Killing Hope dude is so enthused about having a man like that as President because he has a bug up his rear end about the CIA (however justified that bug might be) just shows he doesn't actually understand the subject he's supposedly an expert on
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honestly I totally understand why people turn into reflexive anti-Americans because we have done and still do a lot of lovely things around the world but if you're at the point that you're cheering that Trump won because you think it'll keep the big scary Deep Security State from doing nefarious things and that everything that happens in the world is in some way engineered by the US, you've loving lost touch with realityAnime Schoolgirl posted:i wonder how he'll accidentally end up losing most of the money he's going to be responsible for this time Great Depression II: The Trumpening
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comedyblissoption posted:he's not really enthused. he just prefers a wildcard saying some isolationist stuff and is more dovish on russia instead of the guaranteed female kissinger as president. he parrots the Kremlin horseshit propaganda line about the Ukrainian protests being a US-backed coup as far as I'm concerned he has no credibility to speak on anything if he actually believes that
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logikv9 posted:who did ken bone go for the beautiful human submarine, which ever one that was
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Fulchrum posted:So the best kind of caucus...is just a regular voting system, mixed with a separate registration drive? How is it still a caucus? It's a meeting of members of a political party.
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Concerned Citizen posted:Look, there's nothing a Democrat can do to win coal country because as a party we have done a lot to end coal and we're going to continue to do that. I think we have a moral obligation to tell the truth and do what we can for coal workers even if it will never win us votes there. Disagree if you like, but no Democrat running on renewable energy will ever win coal country. They could actually say something comforting or hopeful or optimistic instead of garbage like that, and the fact that you repeatedly confuse vague and empty reassurances is somehow good enough never ceases to amaze. The only thing in that speech that has any weight is the fact that we are going to out these people out of business, it is no surprise that is that part that got extracted.
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the california caucus, where we have to stop the 6.5% N. Ca and stop the fees
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GlyphGryph posted:They could actually say something comforting or hopeful or optimistic instead of garbage like that, and the fact that you repeatedly confuse vague and empty reassurances is somehow good enough never ceases to amaze.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:i'm also not sure that there's a lack of common translatable skills between refining and processing coal and processing and refining silica to make photosynthetic material except that you are likely going to be given a hazard suit in the latter case Might have been worth mentioning that then. Like is there any speech where she says anything that isnt vague and noncommital and distant about this? Trump constantly talked about this stuff in concrete language, used specific examples, made it personally relevant. Like if she had talked about coal processors managing to find even more success moving into silicon factories that would have seemed a lot stronger than the weak poo poo that was quoted
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Trump had the yuge advantage of not knowing if anything he said was even plausible and not caring either.
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GlyphGryph posted:Might have been worth mentioning that then. So she needed to bring her 50 point PowerPoint presentation and started lecturing them on it. I'm sure that would have gone over a loving treat. Also: GlyphGryph posted:Trump constantly talked about this stuff in concrete language, used specific examples, made it personally relevant.
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GlyphGryph posted:Like if she had talked about coal processors managing to find even more success moving into silicon factories that would have seemed a lot stronger than the weak poo poo that was quoted  "Replace every empty coal mine with a full silicon factory" is such a better phrase for people to hear than "I'll kill your job (and maybe get you a new one instead)". Sure, they might basically be the same plan, but the former is an active hopeful plan while the latter is just a bunch of uncertainty. The way you stop "I'm here to kill your job" from being the big takeaway is to never actually say it and instead just talk about the job you're going to give them.
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Fulchrum posted:You have got to be kidding me, you cannot be this loving delusional and detached from reality.  quote:He spent his time talking to coal miners whining that he couldn't use hairspray anymore. Sounds like he was bitching about air pollution laws, which are a huge reason why coal is a dying industry! That couldn't possibly resonate with people who work in the coal industry!
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Fulchrum posted:So she needed to bring her 50 point PowerPoint presentation and started lecturing them on it. I'm sure that would have gone over a loving treat.
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GlyphGryph posted:They could actually say something comforting or hopeful or optimistic instead of garbage like that, and the fact that you repeatedly confuse vague and empty reassurances is somehow good enough never ceases to amaze. So what should she say that isn't a vague or empty reassurance?
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Concerned Citizen posted:So what should she say that isn't a vague or empty reassurance? quote:"Replace every empty coal mine with a full silicon factory"
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Fulchrum posted:So she needed to bring her 50 point PowerPoint presentation and started lecturing them on it. I'm sure that would have gone over a loving treat. Why are you even complaining anymore, you have yourself given up on your platform as impossible to promote and make popular, so why what drives you to continue your incessant whining?
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