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EP35 is throwing a massive wrench at the direction the show was heading and I cant say anyone could have expected it but it still fits with what we know.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:EP35 is throwing a massive wrench at the direction the show was heading and I cant say anyone could have expected it but it still fits with what we know. In particular, there goes all that speculation about who's going to be piloting that MA Tekkadan dug up - though I'd bet cash money on McGillis taking it and harnessing it for his own ends when the dust settles. Still, though, that final shot. Holy poo poo. 
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Someone try to fit the subtext/plaintext of the show about faustian deals with the devil, piloting machines with demon names and then suddenly finding out that the calamity war was against AI piloted MAs with angelic names.
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This is a really cool direction to take the show. It is going to be real good when one of the Tekkadan kills the mobile armor and it becomes the Eight Stars.
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Ethiser posted:This is a really cool direction to take the show. It really is. Theres a few cool details, like Mikazuki's eye springing back up to life when the MA activated. Now we know why the system existed in the first place, to give people a fighting chance against the MA and their pluma bits which can react a whole lot faster than a normal human could. It could also paint the original pilots in a whole more heroic and tragic light. If the nanomachines of the AV continue to react so long as an MA is alive, then the pilots were heading out knowing that the destruction of the MA would lead to their own end. It fits in perfectly with what Mika was going on about, once the war ends. poo poo, it could also radically alter what the seven star "families" initially were. Also the turn leading to it was caused by Galio giving bad information. Either he completely misread chocolate man, or he purposely mislead Iok knowing his actions would lead to Iok accidentally activating the MA. Its making me think Galio is just using Rustal for his own plans Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Dec 4, 2016 |
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Ethiser posted:This is a really cool direction to take the show. Assuming the Seven Stars are still around by the time that McGillis is done unleashing robot hell upon the solar system. Seriously, he expressed satisfaction that it's Tekkadan's fate to 'make the winds of (the Calamity War) blow again', and then was totally baffled when Iok assumed he wanted to destroy that MA. We definitely got us a 'burn it all down' villain here.
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Darth Walrus posted:Assuming the Seven Stars are still around by the time that McGillis is done unleashing robot hell upon the solar system. Seriously, he expressed satisfaction that it's Tekkadan's fate to 'make the winds of (the Calamity War) blow again', and then was totally baffled when Iok assumed he wanted to destroy that MA. We definitely got us a 'burn it all down' villain here. Galio and Iok did a good job of potentially starting robot
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The ep really ties everything together and sets up the last half of the season. Why are prosthetics bad? Because robots nearly destroyed humanity. Why is half metal valuable? Because electronics built with it can operate near ahab reactors. Why is ghalahorn repressive dicks? They are trying to keep the AI genie in the bottle they shoved it in. Also props to the sound department on the end of the episode, the beam cannon on the MA sounds appropriately terrifying. Also beam weapons, finally I guess?
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I don't think anyone expected this to be where a Gundam show goes, especially when IBO debut. Wow.
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Tae posted:I don't think anyone expected this to be where a Gundam show goes, especially when IBO debut. Wow. And it all loving works. Like everything seems to tie in, even the shows aestethics work with the twist. When in the first season it was all about the knights fighting to protect the princess, in the past it was about the knights fighting loving laser spewing robot dragons
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Cao Ni Ma posted:It really is. Theres a few cool details, like Mikazuki's eye springing back up to life when the MA activated. Now we know why the system existed in the first place, to give people a fighting chance against the MA and their pluma bits which can react a whole lot faster than a normal human could. It could also paint the original pilots in a whole more heroic and tragic light. If the nanomachines of the AV continue to react so long as an MA is alive, then the pilots were heading out knowing that the destruction of the MA would lead to their own end. It fits in perfectly with what Mika was going on about, once the war ends. Every one of Gaelio's scenes so far in this season has been about how he's too nice and too wedded to his former role as a knightly enforcer of Gjallarhorn's peace and stability to fully become the same kind of revenge-driven murder-machine as McGillis. Hell, the Kimaris Vidar's big intro was all about him getting so wrapped up in playing the hero that he forgot his grudge for a little while. That does, however, give him significant blind spots - he simply can't imagine someone finding a Mobile Armour and not wanting to kill it, for instance, so he based his reasoning about McGillis's plan around that. All the stuff about the Order of the Seven Stars was actually a reasonable guess - it matches up very well with Macky's Season One plan of attaining dominance by gaming Gjallarhorn's aristocratic system. Gaelio just didn't grasp that playing the game wasn't the same thing as buying into its premises.
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I think we may have been wrong about Gaileo. I don't know why but during the episode I started to think that he may actually be working with McGilles to take apart Rustal's forces. I know that there are issues with this idea but it does explain how Gaileo actually survived his encounter with McGilles. Also I am quite happy that the only thing with beams are the monster robots that almost wiped out humanity
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Darth Walrus posted:Every one of Gaelio's scenes so far in this season has been about how he's too nice and too wedded to his former role as a knightly enforcer of Gjallarhorn's peace and stability to fully become the same kind of revenge-driven murder-machine as McGillis. Hell, the Kimaris Vidar's big intro was all about him getting so wrapped up in playing the hero that he forgot his grudge for a little while. That does, however, give him significant blind spots - he simply can't imagine someone finding a Mobile Armour and not wanting to kill it, for instance, so he based his reasoning about McGillis's plan around that. All the stuff about the Order of the Seven Stars was actually a reasonable guess - it matches up very well with Macky's Season One plan of attaining dominance by gaming Gjallarhorn's aristocratic system. Gaelio just didn't grasp that playing the game wasn't the same thing as buying into its premises. I think you are missreading what the show is trying to portray and creating your own narrative with these scenes. To me the Vidar scene wasnt about portraying Galio as knightly or about putting aside his grudge being lost playing the hero. It was about showing a guy thats becoming more and more robotic cleanly putting down a group of serfs that didnt stand a chance. Its about the dissonance of his motivation and how calmly he did his job. Its the contrast of who he was in season 1 and who he is in season 2. Julietas comment is ironic, because McGillis has the same cool headed and elegance when fighting, and in his own words hes had a grudge with the entire system since he was a kid. It could very well be a flaw in him, thinking McGillis would act more like himself than well McGillis. But its incredibly stupid for Rustal to approve this sort of action given the stakes. If they really thought that McGillis was somehow going to kill it and were willing to risk it accdentally activating then it shows how deep they are into the self perservation of their rank and status. Mind you so far the show is doing its damnedest to portray that as a bad thing. The teiwaz second in command had a hand on this just because he thinks Naze and Orga are gunning for more power within the organization, which would put his own position in risk. Cao Ni Ma fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Dec 4, 2016 |
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everydayfalls posted:The ep really ties everything together and sets up the last half of the season. Why are prosthetics bad? Because robots nearly destroyed humanity.  I really hope this isn't something that gets resolved in two episodes, and instead carries the show to through to the end of s02.
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Taken from Ippei Gyoubu's twitter: The Shiden is a qt 3.14
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My favourite thing about Ippei Gyoubu is that his twitter is 80% him RTing other people's pics of plamo of his designs. 
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Cao Ni Ma posted:And it all loving works. Like everything seems to tie in, even the shows aestethics work with the twist. When in the first season it was all about the knights fighting to protect the princess, in the past it was about the knights fighting loving laser spewing robot dragons Your standing in the Seven Stars was determined by how many monsters you slew. That's badass.
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While this is an interesting twist, I really hope that we don't derail our gritty political drama and end up with everyone teams up to fight killer robots who were The Real Bad Guys All Along or something.
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I doubt it'll be the main focus for the next 15 episodes. I don't think any sub-plot in Gundam lasts that long.
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Man, Iok is such a big gently caress up it kind of perfectly illustrates McGillis' point about the need for reform. Sure, Gjallarhorn isn't exactly running actively hunting down those things anymore but even Julieta knew what that thing was. Every time Iok goes out in a mobile suit he just locks down a portion of his own forces who need to cover inadequate rear end.Hunt11 posted:I think we may have been wrong about Gaileo. I don't know why but during the episode I started to think that he may actually be working with McGilles to take apart Rustal's forces. I know that there are issues with this idea but it does explain how Gaileo actually survived his encounter with McGilles. I've had this inkling for a little while. At least, if he's not actually in collusion with McGillis, he may be tackling the issue of Gjallarhorn's internal rot from his own end. My own pet theory is that he still wants revenge but he isn't objecting to the need for reform within Gjallarhorn.
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Iok is basically Carta 2.0 but somehow even more incompetent and no one actively respecting him.
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poo poo, if you're gonna introduce beam weapons, that is certainly the way to do it This was a very good episode with a very good ending.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:I think you are missreading what the show is trying to portray and creating your own narrative with these scenes. To me the Vidar scene wasnt about portraying Galio as knightly or about putting aside his grudge being lost playing the hero. It was about showing a guy thats becoming more and more robotic cleanly putting down a group of serfs that didnt stand a chance. Its about the dissonance of his motivation and how calmly he did his job. Its the contrast of who he was in season 1 and who he is in season 2. Julietas comment is ironic, because McGillis has the same cool headed and elegance when fighting, and in his own words hes had a grudge with the entire system since he was a kid. To be honest, I'd say that you're misreading here, in a very literal sense - you're ignoring what's actually said in the show. Those aren't helpless serfs in the colony rebellion - they're flying custom Hexa Frames (Calamity War-era combat units that we've only seen used by mercenary officers before) that are as strong as Gjallarhorn's bleeding-edge, next-gen suit, the Reginlaze, and we do see them giving everyone else some trouble - even Julietta is grinding through them more slowly than she usually does. This is a troublesome battle where he gives his comrades a decisive advantage, not a scheduled cull like the 'battle' of Dort. As for why Gaelio's doing what he's doing, he says it himself - he was so happy to be back doing his thing in the Kimaris (or back fighting alongside Ein, if we give the speculation much merit) that he forgot about his revenge. He was fighting out of joy, not cold calculation, which means that he still sees himself as the knight he used to be on some level. This was a virtuous, glorious fight like the ones against Tekkadan, not something he just needed to get over and done with. As for sending in Iok, I'd argue that 'holy poo poo this guy is about to become the supreme, unchallenged dictator of the solar system' is a fairly reasonable reason to intervene. I'd imagine that they were just operating off less detailed information than McGillis, who appears to be a scholar of the Calamity War, and reckoned that Iok could just put a few railgun slugs through the Mobile Armour's head and call it a day. Mind you, he did bring an entire team of Reginlazes along, so I don't think they were totally unprepared for an MA hunt.
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Argas posted:We never saw Carta face off against non-Tekkadan mobile suits unfortunately. Because she never had. It's why she was not that good.
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So the guy who made that joke comic about Tekkadan unearthing the Turn A wasn't too far off was he? I think this is an interesting place for the plot to go and I'm really hoping this doesn't tank the plot. I think having the show shift from "Man, McGillis is up to some poo poo" to "race against time to stop McGillis from unleashing the Death Force" would be loving interesting.
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This has made me a lot more interested in the Calamity War. What was the point of the Mobile Armors?
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Guy Goodbody posted:This has made me a lot more interested in the Calamity War. What was the point of the Mobile Armors? Either a final escalation in a long running conflict, or a deterrent like nuclear weapons that actually ended up getting used would be my guess. Whatever the reason for them getting made, the result was bad enough that Gjallahorn seems to have been the closest thing to a government left standing in the inner solar system.
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Isn't it obvious? They serve the same purpose as mobile dolls: a mass produced AI weapon that doesn't require a human to control it, with all of the advantages that brings. Except this thing appears to be far less brain-dead than a mobile doll.
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For all we know the AV system could be what eventually gave rise to the AIs at play here. Not sure which one is the chicken and which the egg right now, I guess.
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Basically imagine if the plot of War Games had ended badly for the characters, except instead of nukes it was AI controlled murder bots.
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Someone try to fit the subtext/plaintext of the show about faustian deals with the devil, piloting machines with demon names and then suddenly finding out that the calamity war was against AI piloted MAs with angelic names. There is something out there, coming for us, trying to kill us all-- And I would do to it what it would do to us. Brothers. Sisters. All the angels have fallen, and we devils are all that remains.
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I will say that the idea of autonomous mobile armors does give some insight to how each of the Gundam's weaponry was meant to be used. I don't remember correctly, but don't the Gundam Frames have manuals and information on them? I remember Mika declining a pilot manual in the first episode of S1 because he could read. What if those manuals also have design documents for the weaponry for the units? The Vidar is a wild card due to its' pilot, but the Barbatos/Lupus, Kimaris and Rebake's weaponry are all heavier melee weapons that have been splattering regular combatants. Mika's Mace and Crabhammer are both massive overkill for regular mobile suits, but make sense when fighting giant armors. Say the original Barbatos pilot manages to land on one or stab it with the mace then detonates the tip into the body and fries the electronic components inside. The Kimaris lance becomes way more effective against the Plumas since it can just run them through. The Vidar is harder to explain since its' implied to be a serious custom unit, but having disposable rapier tips that can be remotely detonated would be extremely useful against an autonomous enemy.
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I think the Rapier tips are meant to be slim-jimmed in between armor plates and then detonated to gently caress up the frame beneath.
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TheManSeries posted:I will say that the idea of autonomous mobile armors does give some insight to how each of the Gundam's weaponry was meant to be used. I don't remember correctly, but don't the Gundam Frames have manuals and information on them? I remember Mika declining a pilot manual in the first episode of S1 because he could read. What if those manuals also have design documents for the weaponry for the units? The Vidar is a wild card due to its' pilot, but the Barbatos/Lupus, Kimaris and Rebake's weaponry are all heavier melee weapons that have been splattering regular combatants. Mika's Mace and Crabhammer are both massive overkill for regular mobile suits, but make sense when fighting giant armors. Say the original Barbatos pilot manages to land on one or stab it with the mace then detonates the tip into the body and fries the electronic components inside. The Kimaris lance becomes way more effective against the Plumas since it can just run them through. The Vidar is harder to explain since its' implied to be a serious custom unit, but having disposable rapier tips that can be remotely detonated would be extremely useful against an autonomous enemy. This only makes sense if we assume that the weaponry we've seen them use in the show is the same as the weaponry used 300 years ago. Kimaris aside, all the Barbatos' weapons were either stolen from opponents or built by Teiwaz, and the gusion was (presumably) rebuilt by the brewer's before being rebuilt again by teiwaz.
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