Sharks Eat Bear posted:

it's a great season so far, but let's not get ahead of ourselves

i'd be fine if you qualified it as the best non-wire season of tv hbo's made

basic hitler posted:

I live for that explores the philosophy of life

KoRMaK posted:

Ford could be a bot that is into writing narratives and loops, and his gimmick is meta loops, which goes back to what Maeve and Felix are doing: a narrative that breaks the fourth wall.

Bulkiest Toaster posted:

Very simple. It's all hosts outside programmed to think they are humans mining and running the economy.

I am also thinking there is some key to the importance of milk. Milk is very important in the beginning as we see robots malfunction when they drink too much of it. Is it a coincidence that building the robots includes a creamy white substance akin to milk? On a normal show I wouldn't be so sure, but this is Nolan's Westworld so I am keeping an eye out for anymore creamy white substances and the contexts they are used in.

Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:

I've explored this idea before, as well. Given that the main reason I am against it is that he was shown younger means that, from a narrative perspective, it's probably true that he is a robot. It makes the most sense overall. I mean, you can see the cracks around the edges in a lot of ways. The main thing is that "five unauthorized hosts" that we all, for good reason, assume included the dog. It doesn't include the dog - Ford is a host.

That said, this is just like the two timeline story in that there's really no way to come down on one side or another without resorting to faith/a believe in how the story "should" go. I think that the reveal will be what host he is creating in his lab - it will likely be facsimile of a human who he then transfers his body into after staging his death.

Of course, I can't reconcile this with my very strong suspicion that little Ford is going to kill him.

Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:

I've explored this idea before, as well. Given that the main reason I am against it is that he was shown younger means that, from a narrative perspective, it's probably true that he is a robot. It makes the most sense overall. I mean, you can see the cracks around the edges in a lot of ways. The main thing is that "five unauthorized hosts" that we all, for good reason, assume included the dog. It doesn't include the dog - Ford is a host.

That said, this is just like the two timeline story in that there's really no way to come down on one side or another without resorting to faith/a believe in how the story "should" go. I think that the reveal will be what host he is creating in his lab - it will likely be facsimile of a human who he then transfers his body into after staging his death.

Of course, I can't reconcile this with my very strong suspicion that little Ford is going to kill him.

Sagebrush posted:

If they have a system that can detect "unauthorized hosts", it means they can tell from a satellite or whatever whether somebody is a human or a robot. And more specifically, if one of the five is Ford, that explicitly means that they can see that Ford is a host. So does everybody just not talk about this?

Then again we still don't have a good explanation for how Bernard could be a physical copy of Arnold with nobody realizing for thirty years. Maybe Delos just hires really stupid people.

whatever7 posted:

Well if Ford is a host, that just means the show go from soft scifi to fantasy land. I expect nothing less than Dragons never season.

Collateral posted:

They also cut some time off his conversation with Theresa at the villa where he talks about his wife and how she left him because he treated the robots like his children or something. Could just be backstory but, there hasn't been any foreshadowing of this at all. Just watchers making deductions.

Professor Shark posted:

algebra testes posted:

Not really, remember Mad Men, Pete's wife is a different girl in the photograph in the first episode because it was filmed so apart from the series and they haddn't cast her yet.

These kinda production things happen for what ever reason, I don't think it's a big deal?

El Jeffe posted:

Just rewatched last week's episode.

When Talulah Riley was reminding Teddy of his role in Wyatt's massacre, and suddenly Teddy is a sheriff killing civilians instead of a soldier killing soldiers, is that revealing that Teddy helped Dolores massacre the beta town?

As a side note: y'all think that the massacre was actually planned by Ford & co. as a part of the hosts' training? And maybe it just went awry when Dolores went and killed Arnold too? (maybe by accident, or maybe Arnold commanded her to, i.e. suicide by android)

Lycus posted:

I wonder if Hector will do his speech in the headquarters.

Alehkhs posted:

Who's ready to question the nature of their reality tonight?

Alehkhs posted:

Who's ready to question the nature of their reality tonight?

TK-42-1 posted:

Even the MiB says the world outside is a world of plenty. The LMOE theory is reaching reaaaaaaaaal hard

Cojawfee posted:

I hope the entire episode is just Anthony Hopkins doing dramatic readings of dumb fan theories. Then at the end, he he moves his mouth down to a microphone and says "wrong." Roll credits. The sting is a chart that says what would have happened if the fans weren't such giant spergs.

whatever7 posted:

If you wake up tomorrow and you are told 1) all your family relationships and everything else you care about are fake 2) you are essentially immortal and 3) you have to do the same job again and again but its really not that boring since you have mind wipe, would you really be upset?

whatever7 posted:

I still don't know why would the hosts get upset when they become sentient.

If you wake up tomorrow and you are told 1) all your family relationships and everything else you care about are fake 2) you are essentially immortal and 3) you have to do the same job again and again but its really not that boring since you have mind wipe, would you really be upset?

You overall goal should be 1) wake up the other hosts and 2) get access to the service manual so you can be self sustaining and remove the bomb. What you wouldn't do is be emo about it and try to work it out with the humans. You and the humanity's interests don't intersect. You don't talk to the humans, you find out how to turn the table and enslave them. This is why I call Westworld very soft scifi.

Cojawfee posted:

I hope the entire episode is just Anthony Hopkins doing dramatic readings of dumb fan theories. Then at the end, he he moves his mouth down to a microphone and says "wrong." Roll credits. The sting is a chart that says what would have happened if the fans weren't such giant spergs.

hobbesmaster posted:

"My cat, niblo, could do a better job"

whatever7 posted:

I still don't know why would the hosts get upset when they become sentient.

If you wake up tomorrow and you are told 1) all your family relationships and everything else you care about are fake 2) you are essentially immortal and 3) you have to do the same job again and again but its really not that boring since you have mind wipe, would you really be upset?

You overall goal should be 1) wake up the other hosts and 2) get access to the service manual so you can be self sustaining and remove the bomb. What you wouldn't do is be emo about it and try to work it out with the humans. You and the humanity's interests don't intersect. You don't talk to the humans, you find out how to turn the table and enslave them. This is why I call Westworld very soft scifi.