HopperUK posted:

The Patrick Rothfuss thread over in TBB has convinced me that Name of the Wind is basically just Twilight for boys.

MorgaineDax posted:

Thomas Kinkade's gently caress Cabin

Pastry of the Year posted:

If this isn't a thread title

muscles like this! posted:

Most of the complaints I heard about Twilight were from the end of the series where things got weird like the baby and werewolf thing.

Tunicate posted:

Yeah imprinting on a fetus as a romantic partner, then the parent giving the baby to that person to raise is super hosed up

Tunicate posted:

Yeah imprinting on a fetus as a romantic partner, then the parent giving the baby to that person to raise is super hosed up

Dienes posted:

Its okay, though. She grows up faster than a human, so the werewolf only needs to raise her until she's 7 years old.

Dienes posted:

I like reading Kvothe's lines in Zapp's voice.

"Each woman is like an instrument, waiting to be learned, loved, and finely played."

there wolf posted:

Even as a Name of the Wind fan, that Ferretbrain quote is especially on point. lovely boy wish fulfillment gets lauded while lovely girl wish fulfillment gets derided as the end of civilization. You want an even better example, look at how many Harry Dresden fans get huffy when you group those books in with that other big urban fantasy detective series, Anita Blake.

It was inevitable that something with as much cultural saturation as Twilight would get a backlash of some sort. But it's also true that there's a kind of person who just lives to poo poo on girl's media and the backlash gave them a lot of license to do so.

Wapole Languray posted:

To be fair, Dresden Files is popcorn action schlock, Anita Blake is basically just pornography now.

Dienes posted:

quote:

My name is Kvothe, pronounced nearly the same as “Quothe.” Names are important as they tell you a great deal about a person. I’ve had more names than anyone has a right to.

The Adem call me Maedre. Which, depending on how it’s spoken, can mean “The Flame,” “The Thunder,” or “The Broken Tree.”

“The Flame” is obvious if you’ve ever seen me. I have red hair, bright. If I had been born a couple hundred years ago I would probably have been burned as a demon. I keep it short but it’s unruly. When left to its own devices, it sticks up and makes me look as if I have been set afire.

“The Thunder” I attribute to a strong baritone and a great deal of stage training at an early age.

I’ve never thought of “The Broken Tree” as very significant. Although in retrospect I suppose it could be considered at least partially prophetic.

My first mentor called me E’lir because I was clever and I knew it. My first real lover called me Dulator because she liked the sound of it. I have been called Shadicar, Lightfinger, and Six-String. I have been called Kvothe the Bloodless, Kvothe the Arcane, and Kvothe Kingkiller. I have earned those names. Bought and paid for them.

But I was brought up as Kvothe. My father once told me it meant “to know.”

I have, of course, been called many other things. Most of them uncouth, although very few were unearned.

I have stolen princesses back from sleeping barrow kings. I burned down the town of Trebon. I have spent the night with Felurian and left with both my sanity and my life. I was expelled from the University at a younger age than most people are allowed in. I tread paths by moonlight that others fear to speak of during day. I have talked to Gods, loved women, and written songs that make the minstrels weep.

You may have heard of me.

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

WickedHate posted:

Holy poo poo I was waiting for that to turn out to be a goon joke or something.

Anil Dasharez0ne posted:

Every one of those sentences sounds like it should have "This Troper" in front of it.

quote:

This Troper's name is Kvothe, pronounced nearly the same as “Quothe.” Names are important as they tell you a great deal about a person. This Troper has had more names than anyone has a right to.

The Adem call him Maedre. Which, depending on how it’s spoken, can mean “The Flame,” “The Thunder,” or “The Broken Tree.”

“The Flame” is obvious if you’ve ever seen This Troper. He has red hair, bright. If he had been born a couple hundred years ago he would probably have been burned as a demon. This Troper keeps it short but it’s unruly. When left to its own devices, it sticks up and makes him look as if he has been set afire.

“The Thunder” he attributes to a strong baritone and a great deal of stage training at an early age.

This Troper has never thought of “The Broken Tree” as very significant. Although in retrospect he supposes it could be considered at least partially prophetic.

His first mentor called him E’lir because he was clever and he knew it. His first real lover called him Dulator because she liked the sound of it. He has been called Shadicar, Lightfinger, and Six-String. He has been called Kvothe the Bloodless, Kvothe the Arcane, and Kvothe Kingkiller. He has earned those names. Bought and paid for them.

But This Troper was brought up as Kvothe. His father once told him it meant “to know.”

He has, of course, been called many other things. Most of them uncouth, although very few were unearned.

He has stolen princesses back from sleeping barrow kings. He burned down the town of Trebon. He has spent the night with Felurian and left with both his sanity and his life. He was expelled from the University at a younger age than most people are allowed in. He treads paths by moonlight that others fear to speak of during day. He has talked to Gods, loved women, and written songs that make the minstrels weep.

You may have heard of This Troper.

there wolf posted:

Why is popcorn action schlock better than popcorn orgasm schlock?

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

It's sort of like saying Captain America is just the same as Forrest Hump because they are both movies.

One at our books is an action adventure series, one is a lady having an orgy to cast gently caress magic while banging a wereswan and a werewolf.

Not saying one is better than the other, but there's a pretty big difference between them, regardless of them both being books.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

It's sort of like saying Captain America is just the same as Forrest Hump because they are both movies.

One at our books is an action adventure series, one is a lady having an orgy to cast gently caress magic while banging a wereswan and a werewolf.

Not saying one is better than the other, but there's a pretty big difference between them, regardless of them both being books.

ryonguy posted:

They're saying both of them are low-brow wish fulfillment, which is true. They are also saying a certain type of readership passive aggressively defends one because it is wish fulfillment for men, but deride the other because it is wish fulfillment for women, which is also true.

They're both poo poo, but some people try to pretend one is less poo poo because it has less loving, and frankly if I'm reading lovely wish fulfillment that's the opposite of what is good.

Domus posted:

I think the issue with Twilight is not that it's Mary-Sue wish fulfillment, it's that it's pathetic wish fulfillment. Bella is just your average stupid teenager. The whole story is about her being pretty/sexy/special enough that superboys wanna gently caress her. Meanwhile boy wish fulfillment fantasy is being the most awesome at everything. It carries on to adulthood, too. Guys get James Bond. Girls get Sex and the City.

I Killed GBS posted:

James Bond is not really comparable to a comedy show, imo

Toast Museum posted:

Fine, but I think the larger point is reasonable, that wish-fulfillment marketed to men and women is pretty different.

there wolf posted:

The larger point wasn't that they were different; it was that they're better because men's fantasies are active while women's are passive. That's debatable on a couple of levels.

Toast Museum posted:

I took it as a comment on the different cultural conditioning of men and women.

there wolf posted:

The larger point wasn't that they were different; it was that they're better because men's fantasies are active while women's are passive.