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I'm pretty sure it's the touchbar that's killing the battery life. I got the non-touchbar version and my battery life is phenomenal. Everyone I know who got the touchbar is constantly bitching about the battery life. It seems like Apple half-assed the new tech from a power management perspective. I wonder how long the engineers had access to production models to hammer out power issues.
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SaturdayKnight posted:Yeah, the whole "one port for everything" narrative kinda falls apart when they are never gonna remove the lightning port on the iPhone and iPad in favor of USB-C. Might as well have gone with MagSafe 3. Would have preferred that to the weird situation we have now. https://griffintechnology.com/intl/breaksafe-magnetic-usb-c-power-cable
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Honestly if the issue is that Apple totally forgot to account for the power drain of the touchbar in their estimates of usage time, this is the one time I would agree they deserve a class action lawsuit. Most of the time I hate all the threats of a class action suit against Apple for every perceived slight but if it's actually just plain stupidity, lol bring it on. How can they claim an accurate battery test that forgets to actually use the computer
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flosofl posted:I'm pretty sure it's the touchbar that's killing the battery life. I got the non-touchbar version and my battery life is phenomenal. Everyone I know who got the touchbar is constantly bitching about the battery life. It seems like Apple half-assed the new tech from a power management perspective. I wonder how long the engineers had access to production models to hammer out power issues. Don't forget though that the non-touchbar 13" MBP has a lower power processor/GPU and a larger battery than its touchbar 13" MBP counterpart.
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Krispy Kareem posted:Also, Apple doesn't think you need to charge your laptop as often now. Apple's getting rid of any port you don't use in any given week. If your laptop battery lasts 12 hours you don't need a power cord that magnetically disconnects because you aren't going to be charging it in crowded coffee shops or around children. If you're charging it in a dock or on a desk at night then you don't need an over-engineered MagSafe. I could be completely wrong now (and Bob Howard or Binary Badger can correct me if I am), but it used to be that in order to get 100% utilization of CPU or GPU for a sustained period on a 15" (r)MBP, you had to have the power adapter connected so that between battery power and adapter it had the necessary power available (with the battery having some charge of course). If that's still the case then I could easily see not infrequent circumstances where someone needs to be connected to power. Not everyone uses a rMBP fully unconnected, surfing for hipster websites while drinking a latte and waiting for uber.
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flosofl posted:I'm pretty sure it's the touchbar that's killing the battery life. I can't quite buy the idea that the touchbar hardware is doing it. The CPU in a 13" rMBP can consume 28W sustained. I doubt the touchbar can do more than about 1W sustained -- last I heard it's apparently an Apple Watch processor connected to a bigger display. The Watch chip won't use poo poo gently caress all for power (because an Apple Watch has poo poo gently caress all battery capacity), so the touchbar's display is bound to be nearly all its power budget, and that just isn't a lot of display area to light up. Seems unlikely to be a huge power consumer that can move battery life around a lot on its own. Now, version 1.0 touchbar drivers which are ramping up the main x86 CPU an unnecessary amount because they were rushed out the door to make a release date? That's the kind of thing I can believe in.
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SourKraut posted:I could be completely wrong now (and Bob Howard or Binary Badger can correct me if I am), but it used to be that in order to get 100% utilization of CPU or GPU for a sustained period on a 15" (r)MBP, you had to have the power adapter connected so that between battery power and adapter it had the necessary power available (with the battery having some charge of course). Usually the thing we would've been jabbering about is that on older MBPs with an end-user-removable battery, you had to have the battery installed for full performance even when plugged in. The AC adapter was good for about enough power to run the CPU and GPU at full speed on average, but it really was an average with peaks and valleys, and the AC adapter couldn't cover the peaks on its own. If there was no battery present, or the battery was in such poor condition that the system refused to recognize it, Apple designed the system to throttle the CPU back to a much slower speed so the computer wouldn't crash. People used to run into this when they'd take a bulging or dead battery out of an old MB/MBP, intending to use it as a desktop machine anchored to an AC adapter. They'd try it and discover "hey, my computer's real slow for some reason". As far as I know you can always hit max performance while on battery alone. The battery won't last super long if you do that, but it will do it.
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Krispy Kareem posted:Also, Apple doesn't think you need to charge your laptop as often now. Apple's getting rid of any port you don't use in any given week. If your laptop battery lasts 12 hours you don't need a power cord that magnetically disconnects because you aren't going to be charging it in crowded coffee shops or around children. If you're charging it in a dock or on a desk at night then you don't need an over-engineered MagSafe. BobHoward posted:As far as I know you can always hit max performance while on battery alone. The battery won't last super long if you do that, but it will do it. Also my GF's kitty has a fondness for pulling white cables and the magsafe is the only thing that's kept a Macbook on a table several times. Glad we're still on the theme of 'solutions to problems that exist for no reason'.
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Needs to be more flush...traveling with that thing jettisoned out of the machine is asking for it to break. Reminds me of people who keep mouse dongles permanently plugged in to their laptop. But yeah, its a solution looking for a problem. Just don't string the cable across the room for people to trip on it? IDK, seems logical.
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This one protudes 4.8mm compared to 12.8mm https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/436147229/snapnator-your-macbook-snap-feature-is-back?ref=popular
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KingEup posted:This one protudes 4.8mm compared to 12.8mm https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/436147229/snapnator-your-macbook-snap-feature-is-back?ref=popular "This product exists, I guess." 
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Mu Zeta posted:"This product exists, I guess." It is better than nothing, I guess. -unlawfulsoup SA senior analyst/critic/resident intellectual
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KingEup posted:This one protudes 4.8mm compared to 12.8mm https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/436147229/snapnator-your-macbook-snap-feature-is-back?ref=popular this is not a product that exists in the real world
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My existing music player that I used for running conked out and I'm looking at the nano or touch. Any thoughts on either product? Or are there decent non-Apple alternatives? I'd prefer something with Bluetooth and Spotify but I could also just go wired with mp3s... My 6S+ is way too big to run with.
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Even as someone pretty pro Apple, this is ridiculous. If Jony Ive signed off on this he should be pistol whipped. binarysmurf fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Dec 5, 2016 |
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binarysmurf posted:Even as someone pretty pro Apple, this is ridiculous. If Jony Ive signed off on this he should be pistol whipped. In all honesty your computer is going to be barking at you for a week about the battery being low so if you can't just plug it in before you leave work/go to bed one of those days...
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Why doesn't apple like charging by induction Seems like it would fit perfectly for their aesthetic
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Because they haven't figured out a way to implement it and be able to claim they've innovated wireless charging. (half joking, and I say that as someone that like Apple stuff)
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Apple shipped a product in 2015 that charges wirelessly and have announced another in 2016
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mulls posted:Apple shipped a product in 2015 that charges wirelessly What was this? Inductive Charging is slowly becoming common and originally included with the Palm Pre. The only real drawback is lack of standardization and it's much slower than an actual physical connection.
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Tab8715 posted:What was this? But since Apple appears to want you to charge stuff at night (removing MagSafe, touting all day batteries), inductive charging makes perfect sense. But hey, I guess they can still brag about how wireless their phones are by courageously removing one of the two cables. I always thought HP not bundling their inductive charger with the TouchPad was pretty boneheaded. Most of the TouchPad's advantages over the iPad 1 were under the hood or difficult to explain OS differences. The fact you could just plop your tablet down to charge was pretty straight forward and stressed it's simplicity.
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If wireless charging covered a larger area than a small pad, I think I'd care more. It really doesn't offer me anything more than dropping a phone into a dock or just using a cable really, you're still completely limited to where you can charge and save about a second each time. I'd probably save a whopping 5 minutes a year with it, doesn't seem worth the extra size of the hardware in the device right now.
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Tab8715 posted:What was this? There's another drawback in that if you have a poor connection the phone will heat up a lot by trying to charge to full over an extended period. It might just be a problem with cheap chargers but I had a Nexus 4 heat up so much that the battery swelled significantly and cracked the back panel - I had to buy a new battery and a new panel. It only happened once but that was enough for me to toss that charger and switch back to a wired charger for that phone.
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Yeah I really don't see the point of inductive charging if it's going to be sitting on your desk either way regardless if there's a pad or a cable attached. Also I had the charging pad for the TouchPad and that thing was a joke.
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FCKGW posted:Yeah I really don't see the point of inductive charging if it's going to be sitting on your desk either way regardless if there's a pad or a cable attached. BUT THERE'S NO WIRES
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I'll admit, if we forget about phones, then inductive charging for your mouse is probably overkill. The Magic Touchpad doesn't have to be upside down to charge does it? If it doesn't then you have Apple developing a totally different charging method for exactly one desktop device. So Magic Mouse rev C will be inductive on the same pad you can buy for your iPhone 8. FCKGW posted:Yeah I really don't see the point of inductive charging if it's going to be sitting on your desk either way regardless if there's a pad or a cable attached. I honestly never used my Touchpad enough to know if the charging cradle was good or not. It seemed to work alright and was certainly more elegant than the iPad 30 pin connector. The Palm phone charger was awesome. We had a similar charger for the Nexus 4 that lacked a magnet and didn't work anywhere near as well.
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Wireless charging won't really be good enough for me until things like large mousepads, the centre console of a car, an end table or an entire desk are viable chargers. I had a little pad for my LG and it was just too easy to miss the 'sweet spot' for it to actually start charging. A few times I'd thought it was on charge but didn't actually get any phone juice going. It needs to be completely idiot proof or else it's worse than a cable. At least a cable you have some real feedback if it's charging. With a pad, you just plonk your phone down and pick it up hours later to find out that you're going to be out of power way, way earlier than you'd like.
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well why not posted:Wireless charging won't really be good enough for me until things like large mousepads, the centre console of a car, an end table or an entire desk are viable chargers. I had a little pad for my LG and it was just too easy to miss the 'sweet spot' for it to actually start charging. A few times I'd thought it was on charge but didn't actually get any phone juice going. Multi-coil pads have mostly fixed this in my experience. I too was quite frustrated with every single coil pad I used. The sweet spot was ridiculously difficult to find sometimes. Finally got a multi-coil pad, now it's just not a problem anymore. Long as a majority of the phone is on the pad, it just works regardless of position. Of course there are also some over-engineered solutions like the product Panasonic put out some time ago. (https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-QE-TM101-K-Black-Wireless-Charger/dp/B0051R4ECM) It is a Qi compatible charger with a motorized coil. It locates phone's receiving coil automatically.
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shrike82 posted:My existing music player that I used for running conked out and I'm looking at the nano or touch. Any thoughts on either product? Or are there decent non-Apple alternatives? My mom loves her Nano when she uses it. If you just want a dedicated MP3 player it's not a bad choice.
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My mid-2012 13" MBA fired off "service battery" warnings last week at 400 cycles, which seems very low. I didn't notice any symptoms or noticeable battery loss so I probably could have ignored the warning for months for all I know. I took it into Apple Friday night- who ran some tests and is installing a new battery for $129 - I pick it up tomorrow. I guess I'll make it last another year or two.
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On that topic, the battery in my Late 2012 rmbp seems to be getting more and more uncalibrated. Today it shut down without warning, and when I plugged it back in to charge it reported 41%. This number has been creeping up for a while from when I first noticed it doing it at 20-30% last year. Is there anything I can do without taking it in? For the same machine, what's the best option for upgrading the SSD? There's a 120GB one in there now which I'm finding rather... small.
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How many cycles are on it? They will eventually act weird. As far as the SSD goes how big do you want to go? I will have a 256gb from a 2012 for sale in a few days if you want it.
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250 cycles, which still seems reasonable. I think I'm looking for 512GB+ but appreciate the offer.
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You can get an mSATA adapter and use any drive you want for those model Retinas - you don't have to use an Apple drive. 1TB of mSATA storage could be yours for $300
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Neat! Did not know those existed. An adapter + 850 EVO drive coming right up.
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Bob Morales posted:You can get an mSATA adapter and use any drive you want for those model Retinas - you don't have to use an Apple drive. 1TB of mSATA storage could be yours for $300 Since when did RMBP support mSATA?
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Has the quoted "1,000 cycles" ever been actually achieved in the real world? I always seem to hear issues popping up around half that and batteries totally dying around 500 cycles. Marketing 101, eh?
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KingEup posted:Since when did RMBP support mSATA? They don't, hence the adapter. This is only for the 2012 and early 2013's
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hotsauce posted:Has the quoted "1,000 cycles" ever been actually achieved in the real world? I always seem to hear issues popping up around half that and batteries totally dying around 500 cycles.
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