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What you lose during the install is the license to use the Windows 7 key again unless you remove that Windows 10 install. However, this is not enforced by the software of Microsoft's activation servers. So it's basically OK to upgrade 7 to 10 on a home computer and put the 7 key on another system, but if you do this in a business environment, where Microsoft runs an audit, both you and the company can be responsible for serious fine or legal trouble. Note that this only really applies to the free upgrade. If you went out and bought the full version of Windows 10 there's no worries about older keys at all.
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Speaking of keys my Thinkpad came with a Windows 8 key but the first thing I did was wipe Windows off of it completely and installed Linux. Is it possible for me to "reprovision" that key to use Windows in a VM? I've been needing to use PowerPoint recently more and more and the LibreOffice knockoff is just hilariously terrible and I'm tired of physically switching computers to use PowerPoint.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Speaking of keys my Thinkpad came with a Windows 8 key but the first thing I did was wipe Windows off of it completely and installed Linux. The key that came with your laptop is embedded in firmware. Your VM framework can't get to it.
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I guess he could install Windows 8.1 and then extract the key with produkey, but it seems like a hassle.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Speaking of keys my Thinkpad came with a Windows 8 key but the first thing I did was wipe Windows off of it completely and installed Linux. If you have the key printed on the laptop on a sticker (in the battery compartment?) then you can use it wherever you like.
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astral posted:They reduced it to 10 days back in August. Oh man, they really don't want people going back!
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The "Automatically pick an accent color from my background option" seems to be broken. Windows is fixated on a burnt orange color regardless of what background I set. I've tried disabling that and manually choosing a color, and then enabling it again, but it still doesn't recompute the color. Does anyone know how to reset this?
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Have you tried changing your background? I know with my setup it always calculates off the last background set, even if the screen it was set on is no longer detected.
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Dec 4, 2016 10:13
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In my testing it seems to pick one strong colour element in the image that happens to match one of it's default colour selections. This leaves a lot of pictures making it blue or orange.
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I just built a new htpc and it posts fine but when I try to install windows it just hangs at the twirling white dots and doesnt go to the actual setup. This was after I tried doing it yesterday and it was getting up to the part where I had to select a hard drive and a partition but it kept incorrectly detecting the SSD I had. It would also get stuck on the setup blue screen so I thought maybe I would just try redownloading the windows 10 creation utility to my flash drive, and now it won't even get past that initial part(I downloaded it a couple different times from different other computers with no change. I have no clue where the point of failure is, should I try buying a different flashdrive? Is something not seated properly? I can navigate the bios and stuff just fine when I skip the setup but trying to install windows just isn't workingl
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What RAM are you using? Try each stick with just 1 installed. Do you have another hard drive to try? BIOS up to date?
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I've only got one 8gb stick, and it's in the slot labeled '1' out of the 2 slots so I figure that's the one to go with for single channel. It's posting and not giving that beep code that usually happens when the ram is bad/not seated properly so I thought that was at least fine. I'll try without the hard drive and see if it at least gets past the splash screen, and I'll see if I can flash the bios with a flash drive or something
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Dec 5, 2016 04:31
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Okay so after loving around for a while: I updated the bios, it didn't change much but now the bios looks all holodeck-y and red neon 80's design aesthetic. If i turn the pc on with no hard drive plugged in at all, I can get to the step where I select a drive no problem, and it'll just tell me I have on drives available. If I have the hard drive I intended to use for the install plugged in, it will either totally get hung up at the swirling dots/windows logo screen, get hung up on the blue screen that says 'setup' with the hourglass cursor, or it will get to the part where I select a drive/partition and either say it has 0 space on it at all or say that it has 2048 gigs of space(it does not it is a 240gb kingston ssd) but won't let me do any of the options available to it. The only other spare drive I had lying around was one that I know is either unstable or completely dead and it wouldn't even detect that one was hooked up when I tried it. Does that point to anything conclusive? I can try buying a new hard drive but I don't really want to be stuck with an extra SSD I don't need if the problem ends up being something else, but I'll start looking into nearby stores return policies if nothing else makes sense to try.
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Dec 5, 2016 06:21
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Can I replace Win + F with a search again, instead of the stupid feedback window?
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Dec 5, 2016 11:43
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Boz0r posted:Can I replace Win + F with a search again, instead of the stupid feedback window? Or you could just hit Start then begin typing, like every Windows since 7?
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Or Win+S for Search.
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nielsm posted:Or Win+S for Search.
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Wowporn posted:Okay so after loving around for a while: I updated the bios, it didn't change much but now the bios looks all holodeck-y and red neon 80's design aesthetic. If i turn the pc on with no hard drive plugged in at all, I can get to the step where I select a drive no problem, and it'll just tell me I have on drives available. If I have the hard drive I intended to use for the install plugged in, it will either totally get hung up at the swirling dots/windows logo screen, get hung up on the blue screen that says 'setup' with the hourglass cursor, or it will get to the part where I select a drive/partition and either say it has 0 space on it at all or say that it has 2048 gigs of space(it does not it is a 240gb kingston ssd) but won't let me do any of the options available to it. The only other spare drive I had lying around was one that I know is either unstable or completely dead and it wouldn't even detect that one was hooked up when I tried it. Does that point to anything conclusive? I can try buying a new hard drive but I don't really want to be stuck with an extra SSD I don't need if the problem ends up being something else, but I'll start looking into nearby stores return policies if nothing else makes sense to try. At best, this means that the partition tables on the SSD are hosed up, and might be able to be repaired if you can connect it to another computer. Do you have an external enclosure you can use to connect the SSD to another computer for testing?
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No but I can open up my desktop and try formatting it in there.
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Dec 5, 2016 19:39
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Hard drive was hosed up, got a new one and it all went fine first try, thanks all
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Got tired of Chrome being sluggish, thought I'd give Opera another try. I have had it installed not too long ago, but didn't use it much. I installed it, opened it and to my surprise I was logged in on all my usual sites - even one I definitely wasn't logged into the last time I tried Opera. Tested in IE and Edge, they were both logged out. Is there something with my Windows user account which shares cache and login state between the two browsers? Or is there something I did? Am I even asking in the right thread? Not too thrilled about it any random software I install being able to swipe my logins!
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That stuff is stored in browser cookies, and it's possible for browsers to import these cookies from each other. It's not likely any login info is stored in plain text in them, but it's perfectly possible to copy the files to another browser install or another device even. In my experience, only some sites force you to log in again when that is attempted. Some sites have separate detections for activity on new devices on new ip addresses though and will send you mail to notify you if that happens and give you the option to flag that activity as suspicious and terminate it. It's not a Windows 10 or Microsoft account thing, in any case. Opera was probably kind enough to import stuff from your previous Chrome install. Accidentally or intentionally.
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Those Surface Phone rumors are really puzzling. At the rate they're coming up, they're probably indeed working on one right now. Which is odd, because it suggests the app situation got better due to UWP. When I look at the app store, I still don't see all the required big third parties. Without them, this is going to be another failure. I still think they're shooting themselves in the foot by restricting the new Windows UI stuff to the app store (IIRC you still can't write a regular old Win32 style app that uses the WinRT UI APIs). IMO, if people were allowed to use it freely, the chances for common code to derive a Windows Phone/UWP app from would be way higher.
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UWP is weird. All the ingredients are there for a killer platform, but all the parts are waiting for the other parts to arrive. I don't think we'll see a surface phone as it's too much hardware investment. Without that, UWP apps might just get dropped eventually. They're not working, especially for games where it's rapidly becoming GWL 2.
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Has Microsoft broken DHCP in the latest patch? My ISP now has a giant banner on their webpage, saying that if people don't have internet connectivity it's "due to a problem caused by Microsoft", and the a guide on how to assign a static ip in windows 10. It seems oddly specific to be a home router issue, but I can't find anything about it anywhere else.
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NFX posted:Has Microsoft broken DHCP in the latest patch? My ISP now has a giant banner on their webpage, saying that if people don't have internet connectivity it's "due to a problem caused by Microsoft", and the a guide on how to assign a static ip in windows 10. The article in question in Dutch. Just as corroboration that something might be up. The article says nothing but that theyre aware of the problem and are working with Microsoft to fix it. There are some fairly generic fixes in the comments in English and some say they have success with them, but who actually knows.
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The largest ISP's in Finland have postes notifications about M$ loving it up again with their lovely updates.
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We've had issues with two clients so far having random DHCP issues this week, so makes sense. I still have a bunch of machines where the camera hasn't worked in ~10/80 machines for about two months in anything but the Windows Camera app. It'd be nice if they could resolve old issues before moving on to breaking new things in inventive ways.
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Seeing reports of networking issues from a recent update as well. People always give me a bit of a hard time when I tell them I disable fully automatic updating, but this sort of poo poo is why. I dont mind updating, but the QA of late is non-existant (literally, apparently)
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Is this an actual issue or one of those "lovely isp dns setup" issues because 90% of the time it seems to be the latter. I have "fixed" so many people's "internets" by just setting their router to use 8.8.8.8, it's pretty amusing.
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We're having this issue on our internal corporate network on a couple of machines so, no this isn't just a DNS issue or something stupid like that. The affected machines were getting APIPA addresses because they couldn't get DHCP leases despite the majority of a /24 available and the DHCP server operating normally. Only 2 out of 200 machines affected (so far?) but still enough to have wasted a couple hours of my week. Edit: the one I have logs on hand for show it had a valid lease but was using 169.254.232.106 despite this until we reimaged it. Sheep fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Dec 8, 2016 |
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Yeah my and my roommates laptops stopped being able to connect to our wifi. The wifi works fine, our phones all work on it, but getting "can't connect to this network". Tried forgetting, tried everything. Nothing works.
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Walked posted:Seeing reports of networking issues from a recent update as well. Links? Also how many of you are using something like carrier-grade NAT?
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dont be mean to me posted:Also how many of you are using something like carrier-grade NAT? Not us. Believe me, I'd much rather this be something stupid on our corporate network because then it would be easy to fix.
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Seems like Microsoft (and Qualcomm?) wrote an x86 to ARM transpiler for Windows 10. On their Windows related Youtube channel they've shown off an ARM tablet running x86 applications. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_GlGglbu1U (Of course, this could be staged, so grain of salt.) Khablam posted:UWP is weird. Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Dec 8, 2016 |
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Oh boy windows, reporting out of memory with 3gb free and 5gb free to commit. All right before bsod'ing
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Combat Pretzel posted:I still think they're shooting themselves in the foot by restricting the new Windows UI stuff to the app store (IIRC you still can't write a regular old Win32 style app that uses the WinRT UI APIs). IMO, if people were allowed to use it freely, the chances for common code to derive a Windows Phone/UWP app from would be way higher. You can write regular old Win32 style apps that use WinRT UI APIs. You can write regular old Win32 style apps that use WinRT non-UI APIs. You can distribute regular old Win32 style apps via the Store. Combat Pretzel posted:Seems like Microsoft (and Qualcomm?) wrote an x86 to ARM transpiler for Windows 10. On their Windows related Youtube channel they've shown off an ARM tablet running x86 applications. Emulator, not transpiler. Current word is that devs don't have to do anything and photoshop.exe works out of the box. Combat Pretzel posted:As said, I wish they'd decouple the APIs and let everyone use them freely in any context. UWP as it is seems a lost cause. Let small-time developers use the store as sales platform and that's it. You won't ever see big time applications use anything UWP because the forced dependency on the store and the sandbox. Hell, they need to do a whole idiotic multi-process remoting sing and dance to even get the start menu functional, because it's a separate process from the explorer shell, because they aren't allowed to run the Windows.UI stuff in a regular Win32 process (one reason why your start menu can get hosed up, while the shell continues to function). Apparently they're for real about subjecting themselves to the same rules as third party developers, the only reason you can't mix UWP into traditional Win32 are artificial restrictions verified on calls to certain core APIs. UWP does not have a "forced dependency on the store and the sandbox". You can mix UWP APIs into traditional Win32 apps. I don't know where you're getting your info about this but you're really not accurate. There's many sample repos & blog posts about how to do this. Here's one blog post & a repo of sample apps.
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Stop saying that, you keep doing it whenever I bring this up. You cannot use the new UI stuff in Win32 apps. (--edit: In case I'm unclear, please show me how to spawn an UWP window with a bunch of XAML controls from an .exe that doesn't run in the UWP sandbox. You know, none of this APPX stuff, a plain old standalone Win32 executable. kthx.) As far as x86 on ARM goes, is it actually an emulator? Microsoft(?) did recompile things in the past too, when running x86 applications on DEC Alpha. The FX!32 stuff, seems like it was kinda JIT-ish. Factor Mystic posted:I don't know where you're getting your info about this but you're really not accurate. There's many sample repos & blog posts about how to do this. Here's one blog post & a repo of sample apps. Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Dec 8, 2016 |
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Combat Pretzel posted:Stop saying that, you keep doing it whenever I bring this up. You cannot use the new UI stuff in Win32 apps. (--edit: In case I'm unclear, please show me how to spawn an UWP window with a bunch of XAML controls from an .exe that doesn't run in the UWP sandbox. You know, none of this APPX stuff, a plain old standalone Win32 executable. kthx.) So yeah I tried. Here's a program. (Adapted from here.) It tries to display a toast notification, but crashes as soon as it tries to create the Windows::UI::Nofifications::ToastNotifier object, presumably because that requires loading some metadata from the non-existent APPX package and assigning a valid notification source etc. So here, at the very least the need for toast notifications to have a clearly identified source is in the way.
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If you were to stuff this as-is into an UWP container, as per the blog Factor Mystic links to, this will likely magically start working. That said, your test app doesn't initialize the UWP stuff properly (see CoreApplication::Run()), but I doubt it's worth spending time trying. It crashed on invocation, too, back when I last tried. As said before, so long these restrictions exist, you won't see bigger software companies (a la Adobe et al, or at least those without cross-platform apps) spitting out apps that use the new fancy UI stuff. It's not just the store, but also the various API restrictions in the UWP container, for instance loading third party DLLs for instance (plugins) is out, too. I'd really love a proper and actively maintained WPF successor, but not on these terms.
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