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SSNeoman posted:Muslim girl on a campus near mine got her car jacked by douchy frat guys. They harassed her, shouted TRUMP over and over, stole her bag which had her car keys and then took her car. Anything happening to them or the frat?
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By this logic, not quartering soldiers in peacetime is more important than prohibiting unreasonable searches and seizures, prohibiting double jeopardy, right to trial by jury, and states' rights. In fact by this logic, you have to believe the founding fathers found states' rights to be very unimportant, as it was the last amendment in the Bill of Rights.
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VideoTapir posted:Anything happening to them or the frat? They weren't part of a fraternity, I just called them that to describe the type. And afaik no  The police are still searching for the perpetrators and the car.
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Defenestration posted:
Also don't loving threaten to cut their son's throat and call them an ISIS bitch while they're off duty, jesus christ what is wrong with people
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Twelve by Pies posted:By this logic, not quartering soldiers in peacetime is more important than prohibiting unreasonable searches and seizures, prohibiting double jeopardy, right to trial by jury, and states' rights. That same logic means that the right to protest and stand on the US flag is more important than their right to guns. Don't think they thought that one through very well.
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Uhh this was going in my next big post but let me just throw this up real quick. Someone brought a gun to "self-investigate" the pizzagate place https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.9f793b6c9dc9 -----   there's a lot of terribleness here but also I wouldn't be dissing on germany for falling for Hitler right about now  pizzagate in the hooooouse
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Defenestration posted:Uhh this was going in my next big post but let me just throw this up real quick. Someone brought a gun to "self-investigate" the pizzagate place I gotta know: what is up with this #04a tag thing?
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18 Character Limit posted:I gotta know: what is up with this #04a tag thing? overpasses for america https://www.facebook.com/OverpassesForAmerica2/?hc_ref=SEARCH&fref=nf
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Defenestration posted:overpasses for america Well, okay. Somehow thought it was a Fourth Amendment thing, but I am reassured I don't actually know that hive mind.
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This or the Right Wing Media thread seems like the place to post this. Has anyone else run into this idea that liberals, democrats, or left leaning people give countries like Saudi Arabia or Iran a pass on having regressive policies towards women and homosexuals because of "cultural sensitivity" towards Islam or the Middle East? It's like Conservatives hear about the concept of trying accepting that other people in the world have different ways of doing things and then apply that towards all possible attributes of a culture. It's a rather bizarre caricature and is usually followed with a question of "why don't feminists protest Saudi Arabia instead of the United States?" as if you can't work on local problems more effectively than problems in another country and culture.
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The idea that you can only dislike or protest one thing at a time is really pervasive (or that if you're not focusing on THE VERY WORST THING at this moment you're wasting time) on both sides and is a way to cheapen the opponent's stance to make it seem a non-issue, because there's always worse out there.
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It's worth pointing out that the photo there is not of child brides. Ceremonies there have a rough equivalent of flower girls who dress in a fashion that I Western weddings is reserved for the bride.
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SimonCat posted:This or the Right Wing Media thread seems like the place to post this. If you don't outright hate all muslims than that must mean you approve of everything they do. My dad is an extremely hard right winger and he's used that logic on me my whole life. Pretty much the worst.
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I Greyhound posted:It's worth pointing out that the photo there is not of child brides. Ceremonies there have a rough equivalent of flower girls who dress in a fashion that I Western weddings is reserved for the bride. How often that exact photo has floated around and how many different countries is staggering. I'm sure it's "happened" in every country at this point if right wing forwards are to be believed.
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silicone thrills posted:If you don't outright hate all muslims than that must mean you approve of everything they do. My dad is an extremely hard right winger and he's used that logic on me my whole life. Pretty much the worst. That's when you point to the Planned Parenthood shooter and say "guess we need to hate all Christians too"
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jivjov posted:That's when you point to the Planned Parenthood shooter and say "guess we need to hate all Christians too" No true scotsman argument is almost an immediate response. If you try to explain the same for Muslims then the Koran quotes come out. Quote the bible and then its "well no one follows that" and the circle goes round until its this lecturing shout. I've talked to him about 5 times in the last 10 years. It's not worth the immediate depression that follows. Although my one single success story is - when talking about gun restrictions if you point out that after 1994 OKC bombing - fertilizer got really hard to buy in bulk AND it put you on some serious lists and we haven't had a major fertilizer bombing since - magically he will just stop talking. silicone thrills fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Dec 5, 2016 |
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I Greyhound posted:It's worth pointing out that the photo there is not of child brides. Ceremonies there have a rough equivalent of flower girls who dress in a fashion that I Western weddings is reserved for the bride. I would also point out the similarities towards purity balls.  
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silicone thrills posted:If you don't outright hate all muslims than that must mean you approve of everything they do. My dad is an extremely hard right winger and he's used that logic on me my whole life. Pretty much the worst. The question also came up with the hypocrisy of the United States being cozy with Saudi Arabia, given the differences between the stated values of the Democratic party and the Wahhabism. This is actually a fairly complex issue of why we support such a repressive regime while ostensibly being a liberal democracy, but that's never the point. It's always, "liberals are horrible hypocrites, unlike us real manly men conservatives."
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SimonCat posted:Has anyone else run into this idea that liberals, democrats, or left leaning people give countries like Saudi Arabia or Iran a pass on having regressive policies towards women and homosexuals because of "cultural sensitivity" towards Islam or the Middle East? It's like Conservatives hear about the concept of trying accepting that other people in the world have different ways of doing things and then apply that towards all possible attributes of a culture. Okay so let's start by saying that liberals obviously aren't a monolith and any "well liberals always X" statement will always be wrong by some degree. There are sectors of liberal thought where this is definitively true. Liberals in general are far more willing to attack Christianity based regressives than they are Islam based regressives. This phenomenon takes different forms ranging from ones that I think are pretty well justified, such as President Obama's refusal to use the term "Islamic Terrorism", to far less justified such as brushing off the Charlie Hebdo attacks because those cartoons are just the straw that breaks the camel's back. These things are difficult to compare or study, but I don't think we see the left rush to defend Christianity when an abortion doctor is killed in the same way see it rush defend Islam in the aftermath of a terrorist attack. Furthermore, the left is remarkably willing to attack ex Muslims and reformist Muslims like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Maajid Nawaz respectively. Then you have incidents like this one happen with no outcry from the left, it's easy to feel like liberal thought just doesn't care about holding the Islamic world to the high standards of tolerance, consent, and self-ownership that we demand of our own society.
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Mr. Belding posted:Okay so let's start by saying that liberals obviously aren't a monolith and any "well liberals always X" statement will always be wrong by some degree. There are sectors of liberal thought where this is definitively true. Liberals in general are far more willing to attack Christianity based regressives than they are Islam based regressives. This phenomenon takes different forms ranging from ones that I think are pretty well justified, such as President Obama's refusal to use the term "Islamic Terrorism", to far less justified such as brushing off the Charlie Hebdo attacks because those cartoons are just the straw that breaks the camel's back. That's because no one is proposing that we ban all Christians from entering the country, or at least ban people from entering from countries that are primarily Christian. Christianity and Islam are treated differently in this country, and since no one (especially no one on the right, which is made up primarily of Christians) would ever propose the idea that we need to really look hard at Christians, or ban Christianity, or force Christians to adopt American beliefs, there's no reason to defend Christianity in the same way Islam is defended. We can hold those people accountable without attacking their religion. The man in that article you just posted is not bad because he is a Muslim, he is bad because he raped a 10 year old.
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Jesus Christ, pizzagate has finally transitioned into the real world Man Fires Rifle Inside D.C. Pizzeria, Cites Fictitious Conspiracy Theories
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Scruff McGruff posted:Jesus Christ, pizzagate has finally transitioned into the real world Shouldn't they have a serious case for a defamation suit at this point?
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DC Murderverse posted:That's because no one is proposing that we ban all Christians from entering the country, or at least ban people from entering from countries that are primarily Christian. Christianity and Islam are treated differently in this country, and since no one (especially no one on the right, which is made up primarily of Christians) would ever propose the idea that we need to really look hard at Christians, or ban Christianity, or force Christians to adopt American beliefs, there's no reason to defend Christianity in the same way Islam is defended. Also too, it's not that I don't have issues with Islam. Some of it's treatment of women (as an example) is just as bad if not worse than conservative Christians, but it's not my culture. You can't really positively influence a culture from the outside by forcing their hand, and trying to do so is what leads to the radicalization of the middle east we have now (on a much larger scale but the principle works pretty similarly). Fundie christians are an issue close to home I can possibly influence.
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Scruff McGruff posted:Jesus Christ, pizzagate has finally transitioned into the real world Just in case people circulating garbage info try to equivocate or dismiss this, both Flynn and son-of-Flynn have spread Pizzagate poo poo: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/incoming-national-security-advisers-son-spreads-fake-news-about-dc-pizza-shop-232181
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DC Murderverse posted:That's because no one is proposing that we ban all Christians from entering the country, or at least ban people from entering from countries that are primarily Christian. Christianity and Islam are treated differently in this country, and since no one (especially no one on the right, which is made up primarily of Christians) would ever propose the idea that we need to really look hard at Christians, or ban Christianity, or force Christians to adopt American beliefs, there's no reason to defend Christianity in the same way Islam is defended. While all of this is a fairly reasonable "because" the because doesn't really matter. If the charge is that the left is slow to denounce the worst parts of Islam even you aren't saying that it isn't true. You are suggesting that there is a good reason to do so. I disagree. I understand that feelings get hurt when talking about religion, but Islam is as guilty as (if not more guilty than) Christianity of providing cover for misogyny, xenophobia, and other anti-egalitarian behavior and letting the religion off the hook because a large number of its adherents have undergone recent hardship is not helpful. We need economic and immigration policy that helps the people undergoing hardship, but at the same time we have to demand that modern liberal values of democratic pluralism, equality, and self-ownership are not optional even when they conflict with previously held religious or cultural principles.
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Mr. Belding posted:While all of this is a fairly reasonable "because" the because doesn't really matter. If the charge is that the left is slow to denounce the worst parts of Islam even you aren't saying that it isn't true. You are suggesting that there is a good reason to do so. I disagree. I understand that feelings get hurt when talking about religion, but Islam is as guilty as (if not more guilty than) Christianity of providing cover for misogyny, xenophobia, and other anti-egalitarian behavior and letting the religion off the hook because a large number of its adherents have undergone recent hardship is not helpful. So exactly what are you supposed to do? What does denouncing Islam and Christianity look like apart from saying "That's bad, don't do that"? Do you enact sanctions against countries if their predominate religion conflicts too much with your belief?
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SSNeoman posted:Muslim girl on a campus near mine got her car jacked by douchy frat guys. They harassed her, shouted TRUMP over and over, stole her bag which had her car keys and then took her car. Is this an event that actually happened or another hoax? Like this one. Washington post posted:A student at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette fabricated a story that she was attacked and had her hijab rippped off, police said Thursday. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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LeJackal posted:Is this an event that actually happened or another hoax? You know what's not a hoax? DC Murderverse posted:Also don't loving threaten to cut their son's throat and call them an ISIS bitch while they're off duty, jesus christ what is wrong with people
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LeJackal posted:Is this an event that actually happened or another hoax? Good point--better subject every victim who comes forward to the same sort of scrutiny shithead internet guys subject rape victims to, that will surely help people feel safe and protected! (pro tip: believe people who say they were assaulted)
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LeJackal posted:Is this an event that actually happened or another hoax? Oh poo poo one person lied, hate crimes disproved forever. The fact that this is the exact same article every fascist posts when confronted with the realities of post-election America indicates to me that hoaxes aren't the major problem.
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zegermans posted:Oh poo poo one person lied, hate crimes disproved forever. People who post fake news on a daily basis are very concerned about debunking hoaxes.
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LeJackal posted:Is this an event that actually happened or another hoax? 1) I got an e-mail from my Campus' security administration about this 2) It's actually weaved into the article you're quoting quote:A Muslim student at San Diego State University was robbed and may have had her car stolen Wednesday by two men who made comments about President-elect Donald Trump and Muslims, according to police and university officials, who called the attack a hate crime. 3) Skepticism is healthy but use common sense too. Your post makes you sound like an rear end in a top hat.
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SSNeoman posted:
It's lejackal. Put him on ignore and move on, thanks
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Defenestration posted:
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Defenestration posted:It's lejackal. Put him on ignore and move on, thanks There's some deep irony in a man scared enough to Pink Pistol it up being the first one doubting when someone claims a hate crime.
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SimonCat posted:This or the Right Wing Media thread seems like the place to post this. "Liberals get mad at Donald Trump for talking about groping women, but Hillary Clinton took money from Saudi Arabia where they murder women for showing their ankles!" Yeah, that's a pretty common line.
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