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Speaking of, it's always been a wonder to me how most of the people in the USA see capitalism as this romantic stuff in which you get rich if you really work hard. Has there been like a concerted effort in selling this idea to the masses? Does it have to do with education programs, is this the message everyone tries to pass as true? I know your country has a really enterpreneurial spirit what with the whole lemonade stand thing but one thing's being an enterpreneur and the other is thinking of businesses as this do-no-evil organism that just shits money at your lap if you work hard enough and manage not to burnout before you rise to the top, turning yourself into another douchebag.  Like a character out of Final Fantasy
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Typo posted:Also, pushing for UHC is not gonna work: even in blue Colorado people rejected it by wide margins UHC didn't pass in colorado because no state wants to shoulder the burden of trying to escape being hosed by the insurance companies while taking on a huge economic risk and trying to keep all your poor people alive at the same time. You're right that running on raising the min wage is a good start, but "make the rich pay for our health care" isn't a losing message.
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orange sky posted:Speaking of, it's always been a wonder to me how most of the people in the USA see capitalism as this romantic stuff in which you get rich if you really work hard. Try watching American prime-time tv for a few minutes and you'll probably get your answer
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Dec 5, 2016 18:00
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Augus posted:I know that we keep throwing money at oil companies and letting them lobby to regulate clean energy out of the market and this has been going on for years now and we'll continue to keep doing that for years to come but green energy will just work itself out in the market, no need to do anything, man It will if the best you got is climate change, even americans who believe in it dont give two shits if they have to sacrifice money to fix it If democrats still cant figure out "you dont win by being right" after this election i donno if there is a way to save the party
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Dec 5, 2016 18:00
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zegermans posted:That's a funny way to spell United States Marines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vBhkMYE980
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orange sky posted:Speaking of, it's always been a wonder to me how most of the people in the USA see capitalism as this romantic stuff in which you get rich if you really work hard. We just like gave free land away as we explored it for 100 years to anyone who wanted a plot, and then if you worked that land pretty hard you could be successful Then we ran out of land, so we took what we gave the native americans, then we ran out again But the mythos of America was pretty well set by then E: this lazy history applies only to white Christian men, obviously
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Dec 5, 2016 18:02
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orange sky posted:Speaking of, it's always been a wonder to me how most of the people in the USA see capitalism as this romantic stuff in which you get rich if you really work hard. You are correct, and the reason that the myth that "capitalism can benefit you too!" is perpetuated by the global capitalist elite.
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Oiled and Ready posted:Yeah so sell it as big government loving over the free market with crony capitalist corporate welfare instead of trying to make americans care about the larger world or the environment i didn't think i needed to say that crony capitalism and globalists are loving us with you of all people
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Dec 5, 2016 18:03
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orange sky posted:Speaking of, it's always been a wonder to me how most of the people in the USA see capitalism as this romantic stuff in which you get rich if you really work hard. we have this belief in a thing called the american dream, which is just that, a dream that has basically no basis in the reality of our country
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Dec 5, 2016 18:05
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Augus posted:Try watching American prime-time tv for a few minutes and you'll probably get your answer I watch a lot of American shows, like most of the world, and I get quite the opposite feeling actually, that people are tired of rampant capitalism. I mean Orange is the New Black for example completely dismantles the private prison industry, showing it for what it is. Westworld could be seen as a possible future in a free-for-all economy, as well. These all seem to be critiques, but the feeling of the people hasn't quite steered and accompanied Hollywood (hence the whole thing with the "Hollywood libtards stop speaking now!". Maybe you mean actual TV, like news and debate shows and stuff. That, I don't see (besides Last Week Tonight, and well that one rocks).
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orange sky posted:I watch a lot of American shows, like most of the world, and I get quite the opposite feeling actually, that people are tired of rampant capitalism. I mean Orange is the New Black for example completely dismantles the private prison industry, showing it for what it is. Westworld could be seen as a possible future in a free-for-all economy, as well. These all seem to be critiques, but the feeling of the people hasn't quite steered and accompanied Hollywood (hence the whole thing with the "Hollywood libtards stop speaking now!". Hollywood liberal takedowns of capitalism and The System have never mattered. They won't start now. Things like Last Week Tonight/The Daily Show are at the height of Not Mattering
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Dec 5, 2016 18:08
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orange sky posted:I watch a lot of American shows, like most of the world, and I get quite the opposite feeling actually, that people are tired of rampant capitalism. I mean Orange is the New Black for example completely dismantles the private prison industry, showing it for what it is. Westworld could be seen as a possible future in a free-for-all economy, as well. These all seem to be critiques, but the feeling of the people hasn't quite steered and accompanied Hollywood (hence the whole thing with the "Hollywood libtards stop speaking now!". those are all ~fiction~ and then you have reality shows like the apprentice
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if mom and dad would just buy me the new NIntendo system for Christmas I wouldn't have any reason to "cry" like a child
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orange sky posted:Speaking of, it's always been a wonder to me how most of the people in the USA see capitalism as this romantic stuff in which you get rich if you really work hard. its more that its an actual part of a lot of people's lives. my paternal great grandfather came to the country from poland and barely spoke a word of english. he busted his rear end at the chicago steel mills and became a floor boss and made his way into a decent house and supported his kids/extended family. thanks to him busting his rear end, his kids and grandkids did pretty well for themselves. he was never rich, but he made enough to not be in debt and to provide. that's more in line with the idea of the american dream - that you can, purely through work ethic, build yourself a life that is your own. and there's a lot of nobility to having that dream. but no matter the nobility, nobody wants an unskilled foreign who doesn't speak the language for manual labor for anything other than under-the-table wages nowadays so when you look at blue collar people, that's really what they're looking for. the temporarily embarrassed millionaires trope is dumb to the extent that the out-of-work guy who used to make brake pads doesn't want to be rich - he just wants to do his tedious job and still afford a middle class life without debt. that he's also too ignorant to realize that having that kind of life is pretty drat expensive and that his industry no longer exists is not really his fault either. and when people think back on that mythical dream, they forget people like my great grandfather's brother who also worked at the steel mill, got crippled by a shop accident and lost a leg, and was just kind of sent back to poland to die
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orange sky posted:I watch a lot of American shows, like most of the world, and I get quite the opposite feeling actually, that people are tired of rampant capitalism. I mean Orange is the New Black for example completely dismantles the private prison industry, showing it for what it is. Westworld could be seen as a possible future in a free-for-all economy, as well. These all seem to be critiques, but the feeling of the people hasn't quite steered and accompanied Hollywood (hence the whole thing with the "Hollywood libtards stop speaking now!". All of the stuff you just talked about isn't really prime time television. OITNB is on Netflix, Westworld is on HBO, Last Week Tonight is on HBO. The majority of Americans aren't watching those shows. You have watch poo poo like Two Broke Girls or CSI or whatever. Two Broke Girls is perfect capitalist propaganda.
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Ah "tweets", we have dismissed that claim
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Typo posted:Also, pushing for UHC is not gonna work: even in blue Colorado people rejected it by wide margins Yes, minimum wage is a winning issue. It forces the GOP to do the same explaining poo poo that they cornered the Dems into doing - "actually this is wrong because *boring economics lesson*" when the person only really cares about how much money they'll be taking home at the end of a week.
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zegermans posted:Yes, minimum wage is a winning issue. It forces the GOP to do the same explaining poo poo that they cornered the Dems into doing - "actually this is wrong because *boring economics lesson*" when the person only really cares about how much money they'll be taking home at the end of a week. What the dems need to focus on is how to win back the house and senate as that is more important than the Presidency. With Nancy Pelosi saying they don't need to change anything, however...
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Tatsuta Age posted:life sucks rear end  any chance of an introduction to this 'life' friend of yours?
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The good news is I'm sure we'll all end up insane at the end of this. Trump is going down with us.
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Karl Sharks posted:i didn't think i needed to say that crony capitalism and globalists are loving us with you of all people I thought we were talking about how to solve the problem that America is just getting worse and worse regarding climate change and fossil fuel subsidies I am saying, in America, you start by making the problem you are solving "not climate change", instead of making the mistake that it is an education problem. More education about how real it is and how bad it is will have very limited effectiveness in the current American media/political climate, if any.
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zegermans posted:Yes, minimum wage is a winning issue. It forces the GOP to do the same explaining poo poo that they cornered the Dems into doing - "actually this is wrong because *boring economics lesson*" when the person only really cares about how much money they'll be taking home at the end of a week. It's actually pretty easy to defeat the minimum wage argument. "If minimum wage goes up, jobs will move overseas". Bing bong boom so simple! What's that? The Republicans have made themselves into the party of keeping jobs in America? Hush you, we can only contain one idea in our minds at once!
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https://twitter.com/RaleighReporter/status/805820474131419138 just in time for the bathroom bill to be national law
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How do we keep jobs in America? Not by increasing the minimum wage! Maybe by lowering it... so simple
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mormonpartyboat posted:so when you look at blue collar people, that's really what they're looking for. the temporarily embarrassed millionaires trope is dumb to the extent that the out-of-work guy who used to make brake pads doesn't want to be rich - he just wants to do his tedious job and still afford a middle class life without debt. that he's also too ignorant to realize that having that kind of life is pretty drat expensive and that his industry no longer exists is not really his fault either. it's not the person's fault that the industry is gone but if they're too dumb or willfully ignorant to see it then yes, it's their fault in that regard. it's also a dual-fault in that the politicians lie that they can bring them back, and the person's fault that they fall for it again and again as jobs continue to not come back. it's being willfully dense. Vertical Lime posted:https://twitter.com/RaleighReporter/status/805820474131419138 gently caress yes
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mormonpartyboat posted:and when people think back on that mythical dream, they forget people like my great grandfather's brother who also worked at the steel mill, got crippled by a shop accident and lost a leg, and was just kind of sent back to poland to die This is actually a very good point if we're talking about 2/3 generations. The idea that hard work works is kept perpetuated by everyone that succeeded in the last generations where hard work actually "mattered". But when you have rampant unemployment or poverty due to technological breakthrough it's much more effective to approach these problems from a socialist point of view. I presume most of the help you have from charities applies to injured/handicapped people and people that are really living on the street, since there wasn't really that much "can put food on the table but nothing else" poverty. That problem seems to be now widespread in the country though, as seen by the Trump election. It's a relatively new problem and it's probably gonna grow much more before anything really *works*. Being that the only solution I can see will be the Universal Basic Income.
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Serf posted:doctor ben carson will outlive us all you can help your chances by wearing a belt many belts all across your body each with multiple buckles every buckle a knife 
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we need a plague. too many people in the world
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Darkman Fanpage posted:we need a plague. too many people in the world it'll legitimately happen at some point with the way that things are going. the earth has a way of taking care of itself
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Darkman Fanpage posted:we need a plague. too many people in the world I'm doing my part to help by screwing then eating every monkey I can get my paws on. TRUMP
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triple sulk posted:it'll legitimately happen at some point with the way that things are going. the earth has a way of taking care of itself gaia is real and strong and she's my friend
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If nothing matters at this moment, when will things start mattering? And what will be the cause of that?
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The Puppet Master posted:If nothing matters at this moment, when will things start mattering? And what will be the cause of that? we'll keep you in suspense
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I'd have less reason to (((tweet))),
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Feminasty Slut posted:I'm doing my part to help by screwing then eating every monkey I can get my paws on. TRUMP Nah man, I'm staying in tonight. I'm gonna go home to my monkey. You know how long it took me to teach it to not try and peel my dick like a banana?
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The Puppet Master posted:If nothing matters at this moment, when will things start mattering? And what will be the cause of that? Security camera footage of Trump shooting a dog
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watching some jonathan meades architecure docs if yer interested, watching jerry building now then joe building then brutalism http://psp-tv.com/r/nitecrew
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My (((Starbucks))) coffee this morning has a cardboard sleeve that proudly claims to be made with 85% "post-consumer fiber " and all I can think of is [extremely wednesday addams voice] are you made from real consumers
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