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They should just do it animated. It would rule.
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Rocksicles posted:They should just do it animated. It would rule. Would also be funny just for Falynn "Shut The gently caress Up About Luke Skywalker" Sandskimmer.
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Dec 4, 2016 16:05
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I'd love to see that stuff animated.
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Dec 4, 2016 16:46
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Now I'm thinking about who if fantasy-cast as a live-action Zsinj. I've always imagined him as Arthur Lowe when he played Captain Mainwaring in Dad's Army but I think if you took Vincent D'Onofrio out of Daredevil and put a silly handlebar moustache on him and I reckon he'd be great. As much as people used to (and still do) grouse about Thrawn being this invincible Mary Sue, it's amusing how the Legends EU built up Zsinj in the same way and it was never commented on. He's apparently an expert strategist, tactician and fleet commander, a hand-to-hand combatant specialising in bladed weapons and blasters, a polyglot, a skilled politician and administrator, a spymaster, a criminal mastermind, a master of disguise, a brilliant engineer and starship designer, a grand moff, an admiral, commander of one of the four original super star destroyers, and had a private warlord kingdom that controlled a third of the known galaxy and had enough resources to fight the Empire and the New Republic at the same time.
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Dec 4, 2016 19:47
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I'd also like to see an animated X-Wing, but not with the current art style they use for Rebels. It just doesn't look good to me. If it were live action, do it like Battlestar Galactica, and that would be amazing. With regards to Zsinj, I think it was really a side effect of the Emperor's death. A lot of the Empire's top commanders were constantly undermining each other while Palpatine was in charge because the Emperor was a Darwinist who encouraged backstabbing among his staff to find the strongest. When he died and the Imperial warlords split away from each other to rule their little kingdoms, they were able to focus their talents without having their coworkers try to murder them. At least not internally. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Dec 4, 2016 |
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Dec 4, 2016 19:54
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Don't let me be misunderstood, I think Zsinj is a fun bad guy. I think it was a fun way to explain why and he and his men are such over-the-top cartoon villains iin The Courtship of Princess Leia - they all had backgrounds in intelligence and built up ridiculous personae so their enemies wouldn't take them seriously.
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Dec 4, 2016 20:09
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I remember when some fans made this trailer for a (never actually made) Tales of the New Republic animated show. Kind of funny in retrospect that they kind of anticipated the Rebels art style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAPDje3onJo
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Dec 4, 2016 20:56
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Yeah, I think it has a lot to do with first impressions. First time we see Thrawn, he dismantles an enemy fleet with guile and insight while being depicted as mysterious and wise; first time with Zsinj, he's told a kiss a Wookiee before his ship gets blown up while being made a buffoon. Thanks Aaron for making something out of that. I'd say another thing is Zahn follows the films in having the situation get steadily more desperate until the very end. Thrawn's errors and miscues take a longer time to pay out. Meanwhile, Allston has the Wraiths pull a few big ones among Zsinj's successes. But yes, WRAITH SQUADRON SHOW NOWPLZ
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ecureuilmatrix posted:Yeah, I think it has a lot to do with first impressions. First time we see Thrawn, he dismantles an enemy fleet with guile and insight while being depicted as mysterious and wise; first time with Zsinj, he's told a kiss a Wookiee before his ship gets blown up while being made a buffoon. Thanks Aaron for making something out of that. If they could take a bit of seriousness out of something like Space: Above amd Beyond without it becoming a Whedon- eries wannabe or really campy like the original BSG, that would be my ideal Wraiths tv show.
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Dec 4, 2016 21:08
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I actually think the guy from Lost could have some potential for a live-action Zsinj.
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Dec 4, 2016 21:32
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ecureuilmatrix posted:Yeah, I think it has a lot to do with first impressions. First time we see Thrawn, he dismantles an enemy fleet with guile and insight while being depicted as mysterious and wise; first time with Zsinj, he's told a kiss a Wookiee before his ship gets blown up while being made a buffoon. Thanks Aaron for making something out of that. I think a Wraith Squadron series would play out darker and more desperate than in the books, simply because you'd have more time to play with. Say, make the first episode introduce the Wraiths and be about their screening, then have the Implacable attack Folor in the second episode. The Wraith Squadron story, and any continuation of it, would be easy to fit into the revised EU if Disney doesn't want to get into the Imperial successor wars era - refluff Zsinj as an Imperial high admiral and you're good to go. Also use Gara Petothel more before having her change identity to Lara Notsil.
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Dec 4, 2016 22:00
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I know Wraith Squadron is a fan favorite, but I still enjoyed Stackpole's run with Rogue Squadron more. I just like Booster Terrik
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Dec 4, 2016 22:56
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Arcsquad12 posted:I know Wraith Squadron is a fan favorite, but I still enjoyed Stackpole's run with Rogue Squadron more. I just like Booster Terrik I like most of Rogue Squadron, but Rogue Squadron means dealing with Corran Horn. The only book where I found him an interesting character and good addition to the cast was I, Jedi. Although, the whole Bacta War arc would be a great story to adapt. While we're fantasizing about a Wraith Squadron series, you could probably even combine the Wraith and Rogue squadron stories. I'm reading Isard's Revenge from the library now, and for some reason I keep thinking Myn Donos is a woman. That would be an interesting change for a hypothetical series, and if you kept everything else the same about the character it would give Star Wars its first prominent LGBT character.
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Dec 4, 2016 23:38
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Wraith Squadron was just epic levels of weird action and brilliant aliens. I Like Corran Horn, he'd rather be a fighter pilot than a Jedi. Went through some poo poo, and took it like a champ. Rocksicles fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Dec 5, 2016 |
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Dec 5, 2016 09:15
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Corran Horn is fine. He gets a bad rap. People forget he's the guy who was like 'I'm a Jedi, I can handle the whole galaxy' and a Stormtrooper shot him in the gut. In a hypothetical Rogue series, though, I don't think I'd make Corran the viewpoint character. Maybe have twelve episodes a season and do one from the perspective of each pilot or something.
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Dec 5, 2016 09:32
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Wedge would be the lead for a rogue squadron show anyways. I wish Lawson would do a cameo in star wars again. Dubbed over by someone else of course. Just a running gag that wedges voice changes every time you hear it.
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Dec 5, 2016 10:02
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Milky Moor posted:Corran Horn is fine. He gets a bad rap. People forget he's the guy who was like 'I'm a Jedi, I can handle the whole galaxy' and a Stormtrooper shot him in the gut. True. There's also the part in I, Jedi where Corran, now a fully trained Jedi and for all intents and purposes a Jedi Master, goes head to head against Tycho in a starfighter duel and promptly shits his pants as he realizes how much simply better Tycho is. Then Corran loses, hard.
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Cythereal posted:True. There's also the part in I, Jedi where Corran, now a fully trained Jedi and for all intents and purposes a Jedi Master, goes head to head against Tycho in a starfighter duel and promptly shits his pants as he realizes how much simply better Tycho is. Then Corran loses, hard. Going back and reading the old EU really makes you realise just how different the conception of the Force was prior to the prequels, particularly in what it could let a practitioner do. I want to say Corran even reflects on that after getting shot. Something like he's thinking about how it gave him some neat tricks he could use intelligently with practice, not superhuman combat prowess.
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Dec 5, 2016 14:10
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It went back and forth a bit. If you look at the first six movies altogether, the biggest physical thing I think any does with the Force is Yoda lifting Luke's X-wing out of the swamp on Dagobah. Fastforward however many years and you've got Starkiller pulling a star destroyer out of the sky in TFU, presumably just because it looks cool. In between that, you had all the crazy tricks Luke et al. could pull off throughout the Bantam era (which also includes the nineties Dark Horse stuff) which Tim Zahn later said was because he was unconsciously drawing on the dark side. That said, Luke taking down an AT-AT with the Force was pretty cool. I don't think that's too far out there.  I feel like the idea of there explicitly being a "light side" of the Force was something the EU introduced; I don't think it was acknowledged in a movie until TFA when Supreme Leader Snoke mentions it when he's talking to Kylo Ren. Before that, it was always "the Force and its dark side" which suggested that the dark side was a kind of aberration and the Force is naturally light. I think that's what Lucas has maintained (or at least did maintain) for a long time; that Palpatine and the Sith were the ones responsible for throwing the Force out of balance in the first place and Anakin's destiny was fulfilled when he destroyed Palpatine in ROTJ.
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Milky Moor posted:Going back and reading the old EU really makes you realise just how different the conception of the Force was prior to the prequels, particularly in what it could let a practitioner do. I want to say Corran even reflects on that after getting shot. Something like he's thinking about how it gave him some neat tricks he could use intelligently with practice, not superhuman combat prowess. Yeah, it's something Corran thinks about a lot throughout the book. The Force enhances Corran's reflexes and situational awareness, makes him much better at reading what people are likely to do, and gives him some powerful abilities that have to be used intelligently if they're to do any good, but at the end of the day he's still an ordinary man with an ordinary man's weaknesses, and even with the Force there are non-sensitive people who are simply better pilots, better fighters, better marksmen than him. Corran is a good, even a great pilot, but even with the Force he's still a respectable third place behind Wedge and Tycho just in Rogue Squadron. When Corran beats Luke in their lightsaber duel, it's not because of any Jedi skills or mastery with a lightsaber, it's because of Corran fighting like the rough and tumble cop he used to be and still to a degree is, not like a Jedi. I don't really like Corran, but I, Jedi is one of my favorite Star Wars books for what that's worth.
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Dec 5, 2016 15:10
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Man now I want to set up a Corran v Tycho duel in XWing
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Dec 5, 2016 15:36
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I wonder what a corran horn vs kyle katarn Saber duel would look like. Both guys would probably drop their blades and just start punching each other.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Wedge would be the lead for a rogue squadron show anyways. I wish Lawson would do a cameo in star wars again. Dubbed over by someone else of course. Just a running gag that wedges voice changes every time you hear it. JJ called him to film a cameo in TFA (I assume to deliver a line as a senior officer in the D'Qar war room) but he wouldn't show for such a bit part. I hope he changes his mind in the next couple of years!
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Silver Brushes posted:JJ called him to film a cameo in TFA (I assume to deliver a line as a senior officer in the D'Qar war room) but he wouldn't show for such a bit part. I hope he changes his mind in the next couple of years!
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Silver Brushes posted:JJ called him to film a cameo in TFA (I assume to deliver a line as a senior officer in the D'Qar war room) but he wouldn't show for such a bit part. I hope he changes his mind in the next couple of years! He's gone on to have a pretty successful career in stage theater, believe it or not, mainly musicals. Worst comes to worst, wouldn't be awful to recast (or for an animated show, revoice) him. Wedge is popular with Star Wars nerds, but I don't think he has much of an impact with wider audiences.
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Dec 5, 2016 18:36
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Casimir Radon posted:If they'd explicitly had him play Wedge and had him in an X-Wing he might have jumped for it. Maybe they'll get him into the next film. Too many familiar faces would probably have screwed things up which is why I assume Lando wasn't in TFA. Every justification for why Lando wasn't in TFA falls flat given that they included Nien Nunb in it. It doesn't seem like Billy Dee Williams is going to be in episode 8 either, at any rate.
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Chairman Capone posted:Every justification for why Lando wasn't in TFA falls flat given that they included Nien Nunb in it. Billy Dee Williams can barely walk and, like Wedge, probably didn't want to deal with travel and hours in costuming for a split second cameo. You can literally put the Nunb mask on anyone. Besides, Billy Dee still voices Lando on Rebels so it's not as if he's been excluded from Disney Star Wars projects.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Billy Dee Williams can barely walk and, like Wedge, probably didn't want to deal with travel and hours in costuming for a split second cameo. You can literally put the Nunb mask on anyone. Besides, Billy Dee still voices Lando on Rebels so it's not as if he's been excluded from Disney Star Wars projects.
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Dec 5, 2016 22:38
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You can't make him do something he doesn't want to do, that is illegal.
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If you haven't seen it, here is a TED talk by Lucasfilm's licensing guy since ESB. Some PR fluff, some insights and anecdotes, lots of silly photos on the powerpoint. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAb1Dzkc8KU Amusing part is him explaining how one main guideline after the Thrawn trilogy was coherency and continuity of the mythology, making sure it all fit. The more it changes... On topic: Corran was sometimes a little grating and overrepresented, but I think Stackpole kept it mostly in check for his viewpoint character. After all, one big element of the Quadralogy is that, he, the investigative cop, is terribly wrong about the identity of the traitor. Btw, I thought Allston's idea of shifting viewpoint characters when their personal arc had been done pretty cool. Face!
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Casimir Radon posted:They continued sticking Christopher Lee in stuff despite his age. I think they could do the same here. Peter Jackson shifted the entire production of the last couple of Hobbit movies he did to England because Christopher Lee was a few years short of 100 and didn't like the idea of flying to New Zealand at his age. 
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CharlestheHammer posted:You can't make him do something he doesn't want to do, that is illegal. I don't know... Harrison Ford was in TFA, after all.
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Dec 6, 2016 17:43
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Chairman Capone posted:I don't know... Harrison Ford was in TFA, after all. Yeah, because he's wanted Han Solo dead since 1981 and he finally got his wish.
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So who's fault was it that the Sun Crusher looks like a flying ice cream cone? I can almost forgive it for being the Mary Sue of starships if it at least looked rad in a 10-year-old sort of way (it worked for the Missile Boat  ). Is it all on KJA? Or did some artist look at his description in the book and decide " oh its an ice cream cone! "
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Dec 6, 2016 18:03
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That TFA cash buys a lot of prop-planes and earrings
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SirPhoebos posted:So who's fault was it that the Sun Crusher looks like a flying ice cream cone? I can almost forgive it for being the Mary Sue of starships if it at least looked rad in a 10-year-old sort of way (it worked for the Missile Boat New Essential Guide to Ships and Vehicles. The Sun Crusher on the cover of Dark Apprentice looks like a barbed flying penis though.  These books are so silly and the cover art looks so dumb, but I still love them.
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Arcsquad12 posted:New Essential Guide to Ships and Vehicles. The Sun Crusher on the cover of Dark Apprentice looks like a barbed flying penis though. That's a pretty great, "Oh, for God's sake," expression on Luke there. I like to imagine the Bantam era Luke just getting increasingly exasperated by all the stupid stuff he has to put up with until he finally snaps and joins up with Palpatine's clone.
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Far better than any of the later EU covers. Don't bother painting anything we'll just composite some poo poo together and apply Photoshop filters.
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Agreed. Even with how dumb bantam Era could be, they had some great old school art talent on the covers.
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A lot of the 90s novels seemed to repaint the big 3 from the movies a lot of the time, and those later books seemed to either abstract their appearances to the extreme (NJO) or just photoshop filter them to hell and back (post NJO). I always assumed that it was a combination of 1. Lucasfilm only having the likeness rights to the actors as they looked up to 1983 and 2. visual recognition. It just always ended up with mixed results. Good example is on this page: you've got ROTJ Endor Leia on Heir to the Empire and a seemingly original outfit on her in the next book. Anyone ever read anything regarding this from any of the book people? Always wondered about it.
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