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EwokEntourage posted:Prosecutors agreed to a manslaughter charge as well Keeshhound posted:I heard good things about it, but didn't want to have to actually subject myself to her voice any more than I had to. Is it worth it?
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How much evidence does someone need to convict a cop of murder, since choking them to death on camera while gasping "I can't breath" doesn't count, and neither does shooting a running old man in the back on camera and then attempting to plant a taser on him.
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Honestly, I was glad they included manslaughter as a potential charge in this case. Murder charges are clearly considered overreach when you look at situations like Gray, Garner, Bland, etc.
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Morby posted:Honestly, I was glad they included manslaughter as a potential charge in this case. Murder charges are clearly considered overreach when you look at situations like Gray, Garner, Bland, etc. Yeah, and hopefully successful convictions at all help normalize the idea of police being found guilty.
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Gotta love how white liberals are still shouting up and down about identity politics like white people aren't the undisputed champions of that poo poo. Jim Crow? Identity politics. Slavery? Identity politics. Desegregation? Identity politics. Hell, Trump was all about identity politics. But you know, the minorities need to give it up when it so clearly worked when you actually put out a message that resonates with the identities that you want to reach, like Trump did.
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Lightning Knight posted:That's super lovely. Keep in mind even if he gets a mistrial here, A.) it goes back to a new jury, and B.) he still has federal charges pending.
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EwokEntourage posted:Yea they will try it to an all new jury. People need to understand that "not guilty" is not the same as "innocent". There's a reason we use the specific phrases that we do!
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Who What Now posted:People need to understand that "not guilty" is not the same as "innocent". There's a reason we use the specific phrases that we do! ??? Not guilty means you are legally innocent. It might mean something different in the court of public opinion but it means the same legally. Either way, not trying to derail this thread zegermans posted:How much evidence does someone need to convict a cop of murder, since choking them to death on camera while gasping "I can't breath" doesn't count, and neither does shooting a running old man in the back on camera and then attempting to plant a taser on him. Yea incredibly depressing and frustrating
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negromancer posted:Gotta love how white liberals are still shouting up and down about identity politics like white people aren't the undisputed champions of that poo poo. I guess they figure that minorities are going to vote Democrat anyways. Also it's basically them lashing out at everybody but themselves, similar to Dan Savage and the prop 8 vote.
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EwokEntourage posted:??? Not guilty means you are legally innocent. It might mean something different in the court of public opinion but it means the same legally. Either way, not trying to derail this thread Legal innocence isn't the same as actual innocence. Both are recognized categories under the law.
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blackguy32 posted:I guess they figure that minorities are going to vote Democrat anyways. Also it's basically them lashing out at everybody but themselves, similar to Dan Savage and the prop 8 vote. Yet the mythical lower class whites who voted for Trump are not identity politics 
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negromancer posted:Gotta love how white liberals are still shouting up and down about identity politics like white people aren't the undisputed champions of that poo poo. White, cis, stright, "Christian," menn this country are taught to think that they are the clear default of humanity therefore anyone addressing someone other than them is violating the natural order. It's the same willful blindness that lets Trump and the rest of the Republicans get away with calling all the bigots without question.
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Judge in the Keith Scott/Michael Slager trial denied the mistrial request. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/12/05/judge-rejects-mistrial-request-cop-who-shot-walter-scott/94992510/
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10 Beers posted:Judge in the Keith Scott/Michael Slager trial denied the mistrial request. From the article: "Slager was near tears last week when he testified he pulled over Scott's 1991 Mercedes for a broken tail light on April 4, 2015. Scott ran away, and Slager said a scuffle ensued after he pursued Scott on foot. Slager said Scott attempted to wrest away the officer's Taser and that he shot Scott out of fear for his own life. A bystander's cellphone video, which begins seconds before Slager started shooting, shows Scott fleeing as Slager fires eight shots. Scott was hit three times in the back, once in the buttocks and once on the ear." Let's of course not mention he's on video planting that taser.
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He feared for his life being found guilty of murder or losing his job.
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zegermans posted:From the article: "Feared for his life" even though the man was running in the OPPOSITE direction and was unarmed. Ugh. I'm really hoping some justice is done here.
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10 Beers posted:"Feared for his life" even though the man was running in the OPPOSITE direction and was unarmed. Ugh. I'm really hoping some justice is done here. He could have turned and charged was the justification used. There is no bottom to this pit.
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The farther someone gets away from you the more distance they have to get their speed up to charge you. Would you rather be hit by a freight train that had 1' or 500' to get up to speed? 100% self defense.
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I always like how "turning and charging" is reported in the media like a valid threat to someone's life, as if a black human being is a mindless bull chasing after a matador. Actually that's a bad analogy, bullfighting gets more negative attention than lynching of black people by police.
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He was actually going to run around the world at the super speed black people are known for and attack that policeman from behind.
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If they sit with their hands up it could be a ploy to lull the officer into a false sense of security. Kill them If they run it could be to turn and charge. Kill them If they have any object on or near their person it could be a gun. Kill them -officer safety training
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Look at successful defenses against Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown. You can get away with murdering a black person as long as you paint them as a mindless rage golem. And police are allowed to just dump that paint all over.
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When cops get off in cases like that, I'm genuinely curious what the judge and jury think. -Are they actually seriously convince the murder was justified and everything is above board? -Do they think they've been convinced by reasonable fair evidence but have deep racist beliefs and cop worship that lets them interpret the evidence and arguments in a way that totally sides with the police while they can lie to them selves that the trial was fair? -They don't really give a poo poo about the law or evidence and will always do anything they can to support their brave boys in blue and their war against dangerous thugs? I'm guessing a mix of the last two?
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100% the last one would be my wager. If it wasn't such a cliche from being in a movie, I'd say some lawyers need to be dragging out the "pretend the victim was white" argument from A Time To Kill in cases like this.
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Baronjutter posted:When cops get off in cases like that, I'm genuinely curious what the judge and jury think. I think it must, in general, mostly be the last one though if someone's passed a note to the judge saying they can't in good conscious convict someone who's on tape shooting someone in the back and planting evidence on them they must be racist as gently caress.
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I just don't get when the cops admit to panicking and being put into a situation that might be hostile as if it's not part of the job. Do Firefighters complain that they have to fight fires on their job? Also I've seen people say if we start convicting cops that all cops everywhere will strike and give up and that'll make things worse, so a few people dying to keep cops happy is okay for them.
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biracial bear for uncut posted:100% the last one would be my wager. Loving Africa Chaps posted:I think it must, in general, mostly be the last one I wouldn't quite put it that way. It's that they have such internalized racism that they view a black male as an inherent threat and place more value on the life of a white police officer. The evidence is immaterial; it's justified in their minds to be mortally afraid of a black man who is running away.
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Welp mistrial https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/805878063397486592
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bobjr posted:I just don't get when the cops admit to panicking and being put into a situation that might be hostile as if it's not part of the job. Do Firefighters complain that they have to fight fires on their job? And when the police in NYC stopped enforcing the law outside of serious felonies the crime rate plummeted. As in, calls to the police also fell as well. It's almost like the police in some places actually cause crime to happen.
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bobjr posted:I just don't get when the cops admit to panicking and being put into a situation that might be hostile as if it's not part of the job. Do Firefighters complain that they have to fight fires on their job? The special ed assistant who was shot was absolutely chilling. "Why did you shoot" "I don't know." That was jaw droppingly horrifying. The official response that he was actually aiming for the autistic person nearby was like a bizarro spiral of hideousness.
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BROCK LESBIAN posted:Look at successful defenses against Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown. You can get away with murdering a black person as long as you paint them as a mindless rage golem. And police are allowed to just dump that paint all over. The Mike Brown thing was heinous because the media couldn't stop talking about how dangerously huge Mike Brown was at 6'4, yet Wilson was the exact same height. I guess the Trayvon thing was just as bad since they turned a 17 year old stick into The Rock.
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negromancer posted:And when the police in NYC stopped enforcing the law outside of serious felonies the crime rate plummeted. As in, calls to the police also fell as well. It's almost like the police in some places actually cause crime to happen. Well they definitely cause a lot of murders and assaults to occur wherever they're present. And yet mysteriously the perpetrators of those crimes never seem to get caught and convicted.
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Baronjutter posted:When cops get off in cases like that, I'm genuinely curious what the judge and jury think. I can't speak to cop murder justification, but I was recently on a jury that had a case of cop abuse to hear. In my case most of the people convinced themselves they were just stuck with a bad case and sadly the rules are forcing them to vote not guilty. BUT OH I TOTALLY THINK HES GUILTY! Don't get me wrong. Just those drat jury instructions about how to interpret things means "the prosecution technically didn't do their job". Basically people become rules lawyers real fast to serve their own ends.
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Crain posted:I can't speak to cop murder justification, but I was recently on a jury that had a case of cop abuse to hear. In my case most of the people convinced themselves they were just stuck with a bad case and sadly the rules are forcing them to vote not guilty. BUT OH I TOTALLY THINK HES GUILTY! Don't get me wrong. Just those drat jury instructions about how to interpret things means "the prosecution technically didn't do their job". 'Beyond a reasonable doubt' has always been too lenient when applied to people of privilege, and not enough for those without.
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Talmonis posted:'Beyond a reasonable doubt' has always been too lenient when applied to people of privilege, and not enough for those without. The "Law and Order" principle. People have been watching these procedural shows for years where every week the obvious incriminating evidence gets suppressed by minute 28, and the guilty as poo poo guy gets off scott-free. Its built up the impression in the general population that that's how the system actually works.
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Talmonis posted:'Beyond a reasonable doubt' has always been too lenient when applied to people of privilege, and not enough for those without. It was triple hosed because it was a Cop on prison shift accused of abusing minority inmates. Thankfully we didn't return "Not Guilty" but the judge basically called time on us for taking to long in deliberation. Hopefully the state got a better result in the next attempt (well, hopefully they tried again period).
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Any good podcast recommendations? I don't know how I feel about NPR Politics being the blackest podcast in my feed.
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OmanyteJackson posted:Any good podcast recommendations? I don't know how I feel about NPR Politics being the blackest podcast in my feed. Have you heard of Code Switch?
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Crain posted:Have you heard of Code Switch?
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