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Fulchrum posted:No, what I'm saying is that they won't be to blame THIS TIME! What exactly does the 2008 crash have to do with the 2017 crash, which is the one we'll need to focus on? The Banks will not be the ones who crash the entire thing THIS TIME, Trump will. ...so? does this somehow mean that the banks aren't going to be responsible for future trouble? does this somehow mean people are going to like bankers more and that campaigning around dealing with the finance sector is somehow going to be an albatross? i don't really get what you are advocating for here. if your suggestion for Democratic strategy going forward is "counter Trump non-stop" I hate to break it to you but we've tried that plan and it just lost us an election to the least liked candidate in the history of presidential politics. Hammering the finance sector and promising to crack down corruption got people enthusiastic about one of our candidates. Reminding everybody that Dangerous Donald Dooms DC and Dollars Daily got us a record low turnout and an electoral loss to orange clown hitler.
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MIGF is a woman? The though of someone seriously thinking this is just  to me though. It's as if their takeaway from the election is that the candidate wasn't enough of a corrupt, establishment insider with no ideology beyond personal political power.
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Not a Step posted:We already have increased and *increasing* productivity, but no wages to go along with it. We don't need anymore productivity! The benefits go to the rich because productivity is forever increasing but they worked out awhile back they don't have to pay anymore actual wages out. Its time to *stop* increasing productivity until wages start rising again to meet it. Those things are independent. There have been times in history when both wages and productivity went up. There's no reason to stop making technological improvements in the meantime, we just need to do a better job of making sure the gains go to the workers instead of the owners.
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Streak posted:i wish fulchrum didn't get himself probated so often because i genuinely enjoy reading his terrible opinions That's why I let him skate occasionally when a sixer might otherwise be called for  Fulchrum posted:No, what I'm saying is that they won't be to blame THIS TIME! What exactly does the 2008 crash have to do with the 2017 crash, which is the one we'll need to focus on? The Banks will not be the ones who crash the entire thing THIS TIME, Trump will. If that's what you meant, then maaaaaybe you ought to have been clear on that distinction in the first place, rather than posting that from which you're know furiously backpedaling?
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MaxxBot posted:MIGF is a woman? if Rahm Emanuel is made the head of the DNC I will never vote for a democrat in any election ever again possibly the only motherfucker in the party more insider than DWS. gently caress this.
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GlyphGryph posted:Yeah, I really miss the thread-that-was. Nice!
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anime was right posted:and this folks is why no one posts in D&D lol democrat threads in c-spam have always seem to start out okay but always devolve and they're not very particularly chill for some weird reason  even if you try to pepper in the joke posts, nobody really runs with that and they just have a nice meltdown instead because its super serious poo poo in the casual politics forum on a dead comedy website check the activism thread, might have some good stuff for you wrt to getting involved, it could be good for your credentials too 
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Lemming posted:Those things are independent. There have been times in history when both wages and productivity went up. There's no reason to stop making technological improvements in the meantime, we just need to do a better job of making sure the gains go to the workers instead of the owners. Increasing wages in pace with productivity is literally the mechanism for making sure the gains go to the workers instead of the owners though. When productivity increases but not wages the difference goes to the owners. Increasing productivity isn't the solution to any of the wealth inequality issues. You are literally suggesting that wealth inequality is the result of the poor not working hard enough. Productivity gains, on their own, are not something anyone should strive for. We want wage gains, and then to have those wage gains be the incentive for further increasing productivity.
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Bushiz posted:Chaffee is the most respectable Rhode Island politician in that he is not a cartoon mobster. You Are The Cannibal Lobster-Man Of New England. Can You Become The Governor Of
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Lastgirl posted:democrat threads in c-spam have always seem to start out okay but always devolve and they're not very particularly chill for some weird reason The gently caress is a joke post?
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Ive been thinking about majing a local politics involvment thread, but i havent attended any local meetings yet due to the holiday season so I'm holding off until I can put together an op with a modicum of effort
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mugrim posted:The gently caress is a joke post? Stuff about Cannibal Lobsters.
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Nameless_Steve posted:Oh, no, Cory Booker! He likes the idea of charter schools and doesn't completely loving hate the banks, he might as well be a Republican! he loving lobbied for them you thunderhead
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Rahm as DNC chair would be part of the long term plan to alienate anyone who doesn't communicate exclusively in reaction gifs from parks and recreation
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loquacius posted:you are aware of course that you cannot say the cause of the 2017 crash with any certainty at this point because it has not happened yet The Trump presidency being a disaster of legendary proportions is just as safe a bet as the banks crashing the economy again. Fine, if the banks gently caress the global economy, blame them and ride the swell of hatred against them. I figured that was implied. But if it's Trump who fucks the economy 100%, then you can't just try to steer the conversation back to "actually, this is really the banks fault".
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Fulchrum posted:The Trump presidency being a disaster of legendary proportions is just as safe a bet as the banks crashing the economy again. ¿Porque no los dos?
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Did the permaban toxxes that got downgraded to 30 days for donating just start expiring or something? Or are the pedants just removing their tail from between their legs and posting again?
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we should replace banks with a mattresses for all program that gives all Americans a comfy place to sleep and store their money at the same time. maximum efficiency!
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http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3800657&pagenumber=1&perpage=40#post467109489 Thread is made, I am lovely OP but hopefully it will get better over time.
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allow me to introduce you to my wealth redistribution plan *wheels out a bust of literally Karl Marx*
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Democrats suck because they don't understand that you have to actually win before you can purge the infidels and the ideological criminals. I'm sure Homework Explainer can back me up on this.
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Nameless_Steve posted:Oh, no, Cory Booker! He likes the idea of charter schools and doesn't completely loving hate the banks, he might as well be a Republican! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co7GpMks8UA
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Well What Now posted:Democrats suck because they don't understand that you have to actually win before you can purge the infidels and the ideological criminals. I'm sure Homework Explainer can back me up on this. but enough about the leftist goals thread
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comingafteryouall posted:we should replace banks with a mattresses for all program that gives all Americans a comfy place to sleep and store their money at the same time. maximum efficiency! Considering most Americans don't have money to store, I don't think we should really worry about that.
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^^ Don't disparage the idea, I could use a new mattress!Well What Now posted:Democrats suck because they don't understand that you have to actually win before you can purge the infidels and the ideological criminals. I'm sure Homework Explainer can back me up on this. Fidel Castro, much like Hillary Clinton, did nothing wrong.
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Not a Step posted:¿Porque no los dos? it's por qué
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cheese eats mouse posted:it's por qué 
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Considering most Americans don't have money to store, I don't think we should really worry about that. they will after they all get jobs in the new mattress factories 
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Fulchrum posted:The Trump presidency being a disaster of legendary proportions is just as safe a bet as the banks crashing the economy again. The Big BanksTM are so intertwined with the concept of "the economy" that it's really hard for me to imagine a market crash that doesn't have their greasy fingerprints on it in some way. Like, Trump's economic advisers are all Goldman Sachs people so I can't really see him making any economic moves that aren't pre-approved by their board of directors and which their top brass isn't profiting off every step of the way.
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Thoguh posted:Did the permaban toxxes that got downgraded to 30 days for donating just start expiring or something? Or are the pedants just removing their tail from between their legs and posting again? permatoxxes are not the same as permabans, they lose the account but can return at anytime with a re-reg
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So, to talk about a novel topic here related to that: I really, really wish we could stop talking about income, and start talking about wealth. Breaking up the classes based on "income" seems like the stupidest poo poo. Making a ton of money doesn't make you wealthy if it all goes to rent, food, and loan payments every drat month.
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comingafteryouall posted:they will after they all get jobs in the new mattress factories i can buy a million mattresses today off Alibaba THANKS FREE TRADE!
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Está facíl ayudar.
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MaxxBot posted:MIGF is a woman? On the other hand, if the takeaway from 2016 is that being an rear end in a top hat strongman with a walk-in closet full of skeletons is what the people want, I think Rahm's your man.
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loquacius posted:The Big BanksTM are so intertwined with the concept of "the economy" that it's really hard for me to imagine a market crash that doesn't have their greasy fingerprints on it in some way. your use of greasy makes me realize bankers are basically the trailer park boys with more money. each period between the financial crises is a season and it always ends and begins the same way. Only difference is the bankers don't actually have to go to jail
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Fulchrum posted:Oh come on. You're telling me it's impossible for anything other than the big banks to royally gently caress the economy? It's more that you're kinda saying 'no dudes this flood won't hurt us, because our house is gonna burn down first'. Those two things can both destroy you in different ways.
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loquacius posted:The Big BanksTM are so intertwined with the concept of "the economy" that it's really hard for me to imagine a market crash that doesn't have their greasy fingerprints on it in some way. Cuddle up to Taiwan and impose heavy trade restrictions on China, crashing the supply of cheaply made Chinese goods a large percentage of the economy is reliant on. Economic activity plummets, and with it, the economy. And I don't see a positive angle for a bank anywhere. GlyphGryph posted:So, to talk about a novel topic here related to that: Wouldn't this just mean a whole bunch of HENRY mother fuckers claiming $300,000 a year isn't REALLY rich after they pay off their fifth trip to the Bahamas?
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Not a Step posted:Increasing wages in pace with productivity is literally the mechanism for making sure the gains go to the workers instead of the owners though. When productivity increases but not wages the difference goes to the owners. Increasing productivity isn't the solution to any of the wealth inequality issues. You are literally suggesting that wealth inequality is the result of the poor not working hard enough. Uh, what are you talking about? That's not what I'm saying, at all. Increasing productivity is good, generally, because it allows people to produce more value of stuff, which could potentially raise the standard of living for everyone. The problem is that the mechanism that distributes the resulting extra stuff is all hosed up. You can fix that mechanism without stopping improvements in productivity, which is generally the result of improving technology. We should absolutely always be striving for productivity gains. We mostly get that not through people working more hours or whatever, though. I don't really know what you're proposing should be done, such that it would cause productivity to level out but wages to increase. I'm saying we redistribute the value produced through taxes and stuff.
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MaxxBot posted:MIGF is a woman? their takeaway is "rahm, or some other Chicago Machine rear end in a top hat, paid money for this 'opinion piece'"
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Fulchrum posted:Wouldn't this just mean a whole bunch of HENRY mother fuckers claiming $300,000 a year isn't REALLY rich after they pay off their fifth trip to the Bahamas? I am unfamiliar with "HENRY mother fuckers", who is that.
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