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The Merry Marauder
Apr 4, 2009

"But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own."
Speaking, however briefly, of console WoT, the gift tank this year is a free MTLS (the one with the dual 37mm autocannons and TTK of basically zero), and the Canadian aka US Sexton I is on sale, with its 0.47 dispersion.

The console dev team believes in the Modern Warfare 2 strategy of "if everything's broken, nothing is."

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wargames
Mar 16, 2008

official yospos cat censor

The Merry Marauder posted:

Speaking, however briefly, of console WoT, the gift tank this year is a free MTLS (the one with the dual 37mm autocannons and TTK of basically zero), and the Canadian aka US Sexton I is on sale, with its 0.47 dispersion.

The console dev team believes in the Modern Warfare 2 strategy of "if everything's broken, nothing is."

So console is fun?

The Merry Marauder
Apr 4, 2009

"But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own."
Yeah, it really is.

They had a series of "earn a Tier 8 premium free" operations this year, which is actually a pretty good way to ensure Tier 8 doesn't wither into getting slammed into games with 10s all the time.

Much less onerous than the T-44-100, at least so it seemed, and there were more of them (T 54 mod 1, CDC, Chieftain/T 95), plus a few sixes and sevens.

The Merry Marauder fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Dec 4, 2016

KaiserSchnitzel
Feb 23, 2003

Hey baby I think we Havel lot in common
Black tanks.

Seriously - full price black tanks.

They've come up with a way to sell premium tanks that even I won't buy - and I buy every piece of poo poo thrown up on that premium shop.

But they "heard our feedback loud and clear," so if you already own an IS6 or a T34 you can buy the black ones for 50% off.


THAT'S NOT THE POINT FOR gently caress'S SAKE


People will buy $5 skins. People will buy a shitload of $5 skins. How can they NOT know this by now? Their goddamn premium shop should be FULL of $5 skins.

Which scenario is better:

quote:

Wargaming: "But these "special" black tanks are really marketed to people that don't have an IS6 or T34 already."

Non-IS6 owner: "Hmm. . . let's see. . . I can buy a green IS6 or a black IS6 - or I can buy a green IS6 AND a black IS6! Wait, why would I buy two of the same tank? That's some Armored Warfare level bullshit."

IS6 owner: "Hey, a black IS6? That's pretty neat I guess. No sense in buying another IS6 though. Wait - I can get it for half the price of the tank I already own? Wow, now I can be in a battle with my BLACK IS6 when my GREEN IS6 is dead in a previous battle - all for the lowe lowe price of $28!! Heh; no, sorry, thx."

or this:

quote:

Bizarro Wargaming: "Let's see what happens if we put a $5 black IS6 skin in the premium shop for lulz." 30 minutes later: "We just made A GAZILLION RUBLES COMRADE!" *does the Katyusha and buys several rugs to place on wall*

KaiserSchnitzel
Feb 23, 2003

Hey baby I think we Havel lot in common
As far as the advent calendar codes go: the EU and NA codes are different - but what's the point at all; you can still 'scratch off' codes from previous days. Wtf?

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

that WG never added more tank dressup is simply baffling. it's free money!

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

WG: actually i think what we should do instead is add +1% crew performance per emble- MASSIVE RECORD SCRATCH as millions of dollars suddenly catch fire and a baby starts crying in the background

Gervasius
Nov 2, 2010



Grimey Drawer

Prav posted:

in "how do you manage to gently caress up everything, constantly?" news, apparently the overmatch changes are only postponed, not cancelled. maybe they'll actually finish designing the new rules or something. god knows. probably coming in the 10.0 patch together with the chieftain and physx destructible environments.

apparently the EU office managed to translate "postponed" into "cancelled". somehow. i'm sure they're practically the same word in russian and the cm team isn't laughably incompetent.

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

hellsau plays his fv 183.webm

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN KASPERI KAPANEN

"Bounced off"

Distracted
Jun 9, 2010

Atomizer posted:

There are a few goons who play console WoT.

Even less of them own an Xbone.

Michaellaneous
Oct 30, 2013

Overmatch is a lie.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug
Dicker Max

Queue: T-62, Medium Mk.II, Light Tank M2, Combat Car T4, Char B

Available for request:

:911:
T2E1 Light Tank
M3A1
Combat Car M1
:britain:
Medium Tank Mk.II
Medium Tank Mk.III
A1E1 Independent
Infantry Tank Mk.I NEW

:ussr:
LTP
T-37 with ShKAS
ZIK-20
T-12 and T-24
T-55
HTZ-16
Wartime modifications of the T-37 and T-38
SG-122
76 mm gun mod of the Matilda
Tank destroyers on the T-30 and T-40 chassis

:sweden:
L-10 and L-30
Strv m/40
Strv m/42

:poland:
TK-3/TKS
Trials of the TKS and C2P in the USSR
37 mm anti-tank gun

:japan:
SR tanks

:france:
Renault NC
Renault D1
Renault R35
Renault D2
Renault R40
Char B

:godwin:
PzI Ausf. B
PzI Ausf. C
PzII Ausf. a though b
PzIII Ausf. A
PzIII Ausf. B through D
PzIV Ausf. A through C
PzIV Ausf. D through E
Pak 97/38
Pz.Sfl.IVb NEW

:eurovision:
KH-50 and LT vz. 34 NEW

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

Prav posted:

that WG never added more tank dressup is simply baffling. it's free money!

Also why can't I pay money to make my non premium tanks premium? It's not like having too many premium tanks already has stopped me from buying one before

Nordick
Sep 3, 2011

Yes.
I would pay :10bux: to make my Luchs a premium without a second thought.

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?

I wouldn't need to pay anything to make the O-Ho premium, because it already basically earns like one, and gets tier 10 matches so rarely, it feels like preferential matchmaking. :smug:

primelaw
Apr 4, 2012

The most southern dandy robot judge
If they added flag skins to every premium tank released when I was still actively playing PC, they would've had so much more money. Screw the babies who cry about it not being "realistic." I'd gladly run down the old El Halluf A1 hill with my Russian flag KV-5, to deliver communism directly :ussr:

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

No not really, I don't even own a console.

Prav posted:

hellsau plays his fv 183.webm

That's not totally accurate, I'd be snapshotting on the move because it's more likely to hit.

Mesadoram
Nov 4, 2009

Serious Business
I'm back bitches.





Youtube Replay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-24XJDhWHkM

WoT Replay: http://wotreplays.com/site/3136127#mines-mesadoram-is-5_object_730

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



what is the is-5

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

what is the is-5

All the inaccuracy of the IS-6 with a lovely HEAT gold round like the 112 and the armor of the old, pre-buff IS-3.

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



so... not good?

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

so... not good?

It was a minor campaign reward, so it's obtainable only via clan wars.

Flayer
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Buglord
I play the console version of World of Tanks (PS4) and I agree that the DLC pricing is absurd. Like they recently advertised a bundle of tanks as 25% off, yet if you added up the cost of the tanks they were actually charging significantly more than the bundled tanks cost in total. The logic for the advertised discount being the cost of the bundled silver being some insane amount. Similar pricing and "discounts" happen constantly. Then you end up with stuff like the black tanks - overpriced premium time attached to specific vehicles.

Funnily enough the one good offer console WoT has had in the last few months has been a year of premium for half price. However they only sold that for one day, buried news of it within a post about something else and in the store it wasn't even marked as being discounted. Strange...

SSJ_naruto_2003
Oct 12, 2012



Flayer posted:

I play the console version of World of Tanks (PS4) and I agree that the DLC pricing is absurd. Like they recently advertised a bundle of tanks as 25% off, yet if you added up the cost of the tanks they were actually charging significantly more than the bundled tanks cost in total.

What a poo poo company.

Turmoilx
Nov 24, 2015

I possibly could of done something more effective with this money but I'm not sure.
https://imgur.com/a/2tiLg what a great cw battle

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.



Redshire. Their 9 mediums ran from our 5 heavies and got annihilated on the way back. Two of them got racked trying to get out of the east, another got racked as they ran down the 5 line towards our base.

Repair your yellow racks ASAP guys, come on.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

So ZorroJan, one of the guys who makes banned mods, released some usage statistics. Almost 250k users per day on RU alone are using his mods.

Edit: Also one of the RU streamers was banned for account sharing because the two computers in his house have different IP addresses.

McGavin fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Dec 5, 2016

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?


I will never understand O-Ho players that don't mount the howitzer. You have to be an extraordinarily good player to make the top 10cm work consistently, ESPECIALLY in non-tier8-matches.

And when you're not just not a good player, but if you're an average, or - god forbid - garbage player, this is what happens. The howitzer would have given the dude the chance to whittle you down by 300-400 damage every 12 seconds, and murder your crew/modules in the process. It would have been a literal waiting game for him if you'd done nothing at all, which you probably wouldn't have. Him forcing you out of your cover would have gotten you killed by the other 3 tanks you were avoiding...

Uuuugh...how do players not see the imperial glory of the 15cm?

Steelion
Aug 2, 2009
I really like the 10cm because A) I'm good enough to make it work, and B) people occasionally assume I'm using the 15cm and try and push during my reload, so I can really take advantage of the DPM.

It's occasionally a problem when I face something I can't pen reliably, though, I'll admit.

Personally I think it's great that the O-Ho has two actually viable gun options, it's a high-risk high-reward DPM gun vs good old reliable derping.

Steelion fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Dec 5, 2016

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



Pornographic Memory posted:

Also why can't I pay money to make my non premium tanks premium? It's not like having too many premium tanks already has stopped me from buying one before

They could charge the typical amount of money for that tier of premium tank to make a tech tree tank premium, and not only would they make money but they wouldn't have to lift a finger to design new premium tanks. Let players do your work for you and pay you while they're at it? NOPE! That's not the Wargaming way! More corridor maps, comrades!

Seriously, the cash-for-premium-tank conversion would be worth it for the crew flexibility alone....

Mesadoram
Nov 4, 2009

Serious Business

Duzzy Funlop posted:

I will never understand O-Ho players that don't mount the howitzer. You have to be an extraordinarily good player to make the top 10cm work consistently, ESPECIALLY in non-tier8-matches.

And when you're not just not a good player, but if you're an average, or - god forbid - garbage player, this is what happens. The howitzer would have given the dude the chance to whittle you down by 300-400 damage every 12 seconds, and murder your crew/modules in the process. It would have been a literal waiting game for him if you'd done nothing at all, which you probably wouldn't have. Him forcing you out of your cover would have gotten you killed by the other 3 tanks you were avoiding...

Uuuugh...how do players not see the imperial glory of the 15cm?

But you are using logic. You are already leaps and bounds better than him.

Michaellaneous
Oct 30, 2013

So far we are 5 out of 5 for garbage tanks that I do not care about.

24th will be a Hydro, confirmed.

El_Molestadore
Apr 2, 2005

Time to die hero
Right, which one of you assholes is responsible for this:

quote:

Hey man I know I could be super late and I'm really sorry for bothering you but I heard from a form post about you and some of your clan mates having codes for the E25. If you had any spare I would be willing to even pay for it. I have always wanted an E25 and sadly I was never able to pick it up before it was removed. Have a good day

Saint Celestine
Dec 17, 2008

Lay a fire within your soul and another between your hands, and let both be your weapons.
For one is faith and the other is victory and neither may ever be put out.

- Saint Sabbat, Lessons
Grimey Drawer
Hey guys, the AMX M4 49 is actually really really good.

Its armor is probably legit broken at tier, the gun is workable, its turret is actually really bouncy, and it has -10 depression.

Edit: I bought one, thats how good I think it is. (The last tank I paid for was the 38H)

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

Saint Celestine posted:

Hey guys, the AMX M4 49 is actually really really good.

Its armor is probably legit broken at tier, the gun is workable, its turret is actually really bouncy, and it has -10 depression.

Edit: I bought one, thats how good I think it is. (The last tank I paid for was the 38H)

Yeah it's pretty absurd that the best and second best tier 8 heavies are premium tanks only buyable with money. Compare the Tiger II or KV-4 or Caern to the M4 49 or T26E5, and it feels like it's getting kind of pay2win in here.

KaiserSchnitzel
Feb 23, 2003

Hey baby I think we Havel lot in common

Atomizer posted:


Seriously, the cash-for-premium-tank conversion would be worth it for the crew flexibility alone....

That right there - the crew training nonsense - is the biggest scam in WOT by far in my opinion and it's been running since day loving one. Saying that you can retrain for free to get 50% proficiency or for 50k credits for 75% (actually I don't recall the percentages; it's just not worth it to do anything except for 100% training) or that you can train in premium tanks to get the basic operational skills to man a position on a tank is absolutely outrageous. Say you want to take a tank line to tier 10 and start gold training at the tier 5 tank. The tier 5 tank has a 5 man crew, and starting at tier 8 the crew is down to 4 because there is no radio operator.

Tier 5: 200g x 5 = 1000g
Tier 6: 200g x 5 = 1000g
Tier 7: 200g x 5 = 1000g
Tier 8: 200g x 4 = 800g; plus you now have a radio operator only useful for that loving oddball premium that needs one when none of your other tanks do.
Tier 9: 200g x 4 = 800g
Tier 10: 200g x 4 = 800g

Total: 5400 gold. And it doesn't make a difference whether or not you're moving a crew up in tiers and selling the lower-tier tank or keeping the lower-tier tank and training another crew for the next tier up; you're still paying 5400 gold just to be able to run your tank at advertised values from the first battle you play in it. Or, retraining in a premium? Sure - first, you have to have a premium with the same or similar crew composition of the correct nation and class, but then you have to play that tank - which is already a "nerfed" tank in some way because it is a premium - with a crew that sucks balls.

Assuming you have to buy gold, of course - most folks don't play in weekly tournaments in order to earn it by playing - and assuming you buy the most economical gold deal, 25K gold is $100 - so 5400 gold at that rate is like $22 bucks. That's $22.00 USD spent on crew training per tank line - unless you want to play with gimped tanks. And if you want your tier 10 to have a 3-skill crew by the time you unlock the tank, you're going to have to gold train.

Look - I'm one of those players that buys camos, emblems, and inscriptions; and I pay gold for them. other than the camo, that's gold spent on nothing of value. I have no problem with that. But not spending that gold doesn't put me at a disadvantage...not training your crew to 100%? That's a useless nerf and arguably a disservice to your team.

And that's not even taking into consideration experience conversion from other tanks to free experience so that you can upgrade from the lovely stock tank configuration.

Crew training shouldn't even be a thing - you unlock a tank via experience in the previous tank; you buy the tank, and your crew should be able to move on up as qualified crewmen and even retain their previous experience in the lower-tier tanks. You'd have a crew for each tank line up the tree, and shouldn't have to gently caress around with multiple radio operators and commanders who are also loaders on one tank but radio operators on the next, and you have to hire a loader for that tier tank to do what the commander was doing at the lower tier...it's nonsense. This is one of the few ways that AW is actually better - WOT wouldn't have to copy AW, but even the more streamlined way they handle crew training on the consoles is still bullshit. There are plenty of other ways to get players to spend gold -

LIKE TANK SKINS, for gently caress's sake.

I don't really think so much that it's the non-noob friendly community, or the gameplay, or the matchmaking, or the lopsided games that discourage new players. It's the typical F2P bullshit. Crew training is P2W. Converting experience to free experience to unlock more effective tank modules is P2W. Equipment - no; not really - you absolutely can come up with the credits for equipment, consumables, and skill rounds - but crew training & freexp conversion as-is in the game right now is absolutely insulting to the player.

Thank you for your time.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

Hellsau posted:

Yeah it's pretty absurd that the best and second best tier 8 heavies are premium tanks only buyable with money. Compare the Tiger II or KV-4 or Caern to the M4 49 or T26E5, and it feels like it's getting kind of pay2win in here.
And they BOTH came out within weeks of me finally stumping up :10bux: for the IS-6. Nine hits - one penetration, fully aimed shots at weak points. RNG? Who knows it does loving suck however. Gold rounds all btw. The lower plate of a Tiger II coming up a hill should not bounce 217 pen gold rounds multiple times.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Hellsau posted:

Yeah it's pretty absurd that the best and second best tier 8 heavies are premium tanks only buyable with money. Compare the Tiger II or KV-4 or Caern to the M4 49 or T26E5, and it feels like it's getting kind of pay2win in here.

You joined HavoK? Ew. I guess they're well past their best-before date, but still...

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Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

Cartoon posted:

And they BOTH came out within weeks of me finally stumping up :10bux: for the IS-6. Nine hits - one penetration, fully aimed shots at weak points. RNG? Who knows it does loving suck however. Gold rounds all btw. The lower plate of a Tiger II coming up a hill should not bounce 217 pen gold rounds multiple times.

The problem is that Wargaming have steadily strengthened "weak points" such that a lot of those weak points aren't actually weak. The lower plate of the Tiger 2 is 100mm of armor, but there's a significant strip of 150mm armor near the beak that can eat shells. The cupolas of the Tiger 2 are basically magic that may or may not be damaged by a pen, the cupola on the T34 is an autobounce now (and the roof is an autopen because that makes sense I guess) and poo poo like the E5 technically has a weakspot, but even shooting it with 340mm pen HEAT may or may not pen. Couple that with #snapshotmeta and standing still to take fully aimed shots being substantially punished by other game mechanics and you have a recipe for a bunch of RNG horseshit.

McGavin posted:

You joined HavoK? Ew. I guess they're well past their best-before date, but still...

It's pretty hilarious so far mate, it's no VOLT but it's certainly not as crushingly disappointing as YOLO.

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