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Salvor_Hardin
Sep 13, 2005

I want to go protest.
Nap Ghost

Brolander posted:

Matt barnes, enraged by Derek Fisher chant, goes out and hurts someone that night. piece of poo poo man

I knew as soon as I saw he was sporting a topknot.

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straight up brolic
Jan 31, 2007

After all, I was nice in ball,
Came to practice weed scented
Report card like the speed limit

:homebrew::homebrew::homebrew:

Knicks fans chanting Derek Fisher's name is kind of gross, regardless of the amusing circumstances

EvanTH
Apr 24, 2004

i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

Lockback posted:

I think its also important that it doesn't really tell you who is BEST, but rather how the player is doing in his current role. Joel Embiid osn't playing huge minutes, so that probably helps his BPM, but the offense also runs through him to get him touches which is not optimal, so that probably hurts it.

Yeah that's the key for me. Not "best" because we don't have a statistic for "best", but something like "what is the point-swing value a given player provides their team within the context of that team's system rated over 100 possessions?"

And BBR's version (APM) has Giannis as the third highest rated player in the league this season:
http://www.basketball-reference.com...#site_menu_link
http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/bpm.html

Does he get to win MIP or was his PER jumping to 27.0 at age 22 just what we all expected and the award goes to somebody more surprising?

chunkles
Aug 14, 2005

i am completely immersed in darkness
as i turn my body away from the sun
Houston matched on Donatas. Doesn't say who they cut, but presumably Ennis or Brown (he's still on the roster??).

e: They cut Bobby Brown.

chunkles fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Dec 5, 2016

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
Last time Magic was on tv, he hated 3-pointers to the point of wanting the ABA to return

Libertine
Jun 21, 2004

When I die, I hope they say I made the eSports industry a better place than I made millions of dollars.

straight up brolic posted:

Knicks fans chanting Derek Fisher's name is kind of gross, regardless of the amusing circumstances

I agree. No one should be yelling out Derek Fisher's name (except for Matt Barnes' ex-wife while they are having sex).

Bush Did Outer Heaven
Jan 18, 2005

The Sweetest Payne
Brooklyn's elaborate plan to sign Bobby Brown comes one step closer to fruition.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

EvanTH posted:

Yeah that's the key for me. Not "best" because we don't have a statistic for "best", but something like "what is the point-swing value a given player provides their team within the context of that team's system rated over 100 possessions?"

And BBR's version (APM) has Giannis as the third highest rated player in the league this season:
http://www.basketball-reference.com...#site_menu_link
http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/bpm.html

Does he get to win MIP or was his PER jumping to 27.0 at age 22 just what we all expected and the award goes to somebody more surprising?

RPM has him 9th but spitting distance from 4th.

Giannis would be a great pick this year so far. MIP usually likes to give it to guys who are getting to Super-Star level so Giannis fits that bill. DeRozan would be the other obvious pick.

Spring Break My Heart
Feb 15, 2012

Kibner posted:

Got a back injury and couldn't stay healthy or consistently keep up physically anymore.
Additionally, he spent 3 years in college and came out in 2004. He's 34 now, and even great centres don't often last that long.

NickRoweFillea
Sep 27, 2012

doin thangs

Salvor_Hardin posted:

I knew as soon as I saw he was sporting a topknot.

He culturally appropriated it from white nerdy guys who culturally appropriated it from honorable samurai

Zogo
Jul 29, 2003

MJ's seven straight triple-doubles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9vTN01SU6I

Lockback posted:

Matt Barnes might be a dickhead, but NYPD also has a long storied career of getting a hard-on going after black athletes in clubs so I am going to be cautious before casting a decision about this.

Cool Buff Man posted:

There's a video of him after the fight (which allegedly started cuz of the choke and involved a dude too) and DMC is in it yelling about how Matt really clocked the guy good so there's stupid poo poo going on at the very least

Adam Silver needs to suspend DMC, Matt Barnes and Rondo ASAP. Also, force the Bulls to sign Hinrich and play him at least 15 MPG.

MOVIE MAJICK posted:

https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/805812688613875712

Speculation? Late to the team bus? Told Hoiberg to go fly a kite?

He threw a towel at associate coach Jim Boylen.

At this point I think the Bulls just signed Rondo as another short-term scapegoat. I mean they dump Rose with his awful shooting and then just had to go and pick up someone even worse.

"Jimmy Butler was asked if this latest incident further damaged Rondo’s reputation around the league. […] “It doesn’t,” Butler said. “I don’t feel his reputation fits him at all. Rondo’s an incredible basketball player, friend, brother to me now, to us. I think we love him here. I think the fans love him as well, the organization, I think everyone has nothing but great things to say about him. I don’t see where that reputation came from at all.”

Jimmy Butler suffering from some kind of amnesia/fugue state/concussion. :wtf:

chunkles posted:

Back to LAKERS chat every waking moment on ESPN.

I missed Lakers mystique chat. "The Lakers are imbued with special powers." -Magic

Zogo
Jul 29, 2003

Jack's Flow posted:

If DeRozan can continue to score 35 points every night, he has a chance to win the scoring title!

The Warriors have a good chance to win the game if they can hit 40 3-pointers!

I like ketchup!

Oh no. Not another year of Michael Wilbon singing the praises of Magic.


ESPN is already hemorrhaging viewers at a frightening pace as the economy continues to worsen for some and they can't afford $200+/month for cable. This should help.


He needs the giant Shaq clone though.

Dexo
Aug 15, 2009

A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.
Might be easier to find the Pau Clone tbh.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

It's a garbage stat because it's not telling us anything and was invented by ESPN for page views .

Kibner
Oct 21, 2008

Acguy Supremacy
https://twitter.com/JustinVerrier/status/805902112337051649

Kibner
Oct 21, 2008

Acguy Supremacy
https://twitter.com/JustinVerrier/status/805910628766511104

Kibner
Oct 21, 2008

Acguy Supremacy
I personally love that it doesn't mater who they bring in or how many times they get a new medical staff, the Pels have been constantly injured since CP3 messed up his knee in 2008.

CRISPYBABY
Dec 15, 2007

by Reene

Spacebump posted:

Brian Cardinal actually had a positive contribution in a playoff game while in Dallas. The best thing that happened with playoff Rondo on the Mavs was getting kicked off the team.

Brian Cardinal's best contribution to the NBA was his old facebook page circa 2011 and it's a travesty that it looks like it's disappeared into the internet void.

quote:

"Wet the three ball, showed Lebron how to handle the rock and taught Wade not to come into my nest. Miami...... HOLD MY DICK"

quote:

"I never saw anything more sexy than my reflection in the Larry O'Brian Trophy. That Three I hit was wetter than LeBricks mom. I would like to thank Rick for giving me a chance to spread my wings and fly. You can tell Lebron that I'll be here again next year and I'm keeping my talents in North Texas."

CRISPYBABY fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Dec 6, 2016

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe

euphronius posted:

It's a garbage stat because it's not telling us anything and was invented by ESPN for page views .

Lol, it may well be a garbage stat but since when has RPM driven page views?? I have never seen it mentioned on the front page of ESPN and maybe only twice in actual articles.

NickRoweFillea
Sep 27, 2012

doin thangs

RIP to our favorite teams, my friend

AggressivelyStupid
Jan 9, 2012

Bush Did Outer Heaven posted:

nah, there's nothing black box about it at all:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/10740818/introducing-real-plus-minus

https://cornerthreehoops.wordpress.com/2014/04/17/explaining-espns-real-plus-minus/

http://deadspin.com/just-what-the-hell-is-real-plus-minus-espns-new-nba-s-1560361469

Ilardi could have written more about what ridge regression and bayesian estimation in their initial introduction piece, but that's useless information to most readers. All of these pieces do a decent job of explaining the intuition behind the estimation technique, priors, changes made to APM, etc.
Do.. do you know what a black box is? Nothing in what you linked suggests that RPM is anything more than a blackbox to anyone not named Engleman or Ilardi. It is a proprietary statistic, like QBR.

quote:

but sure, it doesn't rank Embiid or whoever you like high enough this season so gently caress it.
lol

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

If it ranks a Plumlee over Embiid its garbage.

QED

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012

My goondolences

chunkles
Aug 14, 2005

i am completely immersed in darkness
as i turn my body away from the sun

WhyteRyce posted:

Sorry MV but BJ Armstrong is trash

speaking of Barack Obama and his terrible sports agent career

https://twitter.com/bjarmstrong/status/804845122076622849

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

euphronius posted:

If it ranks a Plumlee over Embiid its garbage.

QED

It doesn't work like that, it's a predictive stat, and it's pretty likely that it will change pretty dramatically.

Also it doesn't rank any Plumless over Embiid so...?????

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

chunkles posted:

Houston matched on Donatas. Doesn't say who they cut, but presumably Ennis or Brown (he's still on the roster??).

e: They cut Bobby Brown.

First Whitney then Bobbi now this.

Spacebump
Dec 24, 2003

Dallas Mavericks: Generations
What can't Adam Silver do?

Metapod
Mar 18, 2012
I present to you Victor Oladipo

https://twitter.com/FredKatz/status/805944729850482689

chunkles
Aug 14, 2005

i am completely immersed in darkness
as i turn my body away from the sun
That dunk looks amazing, his inspector gadget arms go sideways before extending up to finish the dunk

Bashez
Jul 19, 2004

:10bux:
Can anyone explain why the Spurs are the best defense in the league with Kawhi off the court but bad when he's on?

I can't make heads or tails of it, he looks way lazier than normal but like he's still playing well.

AggressivelyStupid
Jan 9, 2012

Spacebump posted:

What can't Adam Silver do?


Grow hair

Redgrendel2001
Sep 1, 2006

you literally think a person saying their NBA team of choice being better than the fucking 76ers is a 'schtick'

a literal thing you think.


Come into contact with direct, unfiltered sunlight.

AggressivelyStupid
Jan 9, 2012

Probably can't dunk too

Cool Buff Man
Jul 30, 2006

bitch

Spacebump posted:

What can't Adam Silver do?


Finish off that dang Harry Potter

dokmo
Aug 27, 2006

:stat:man

Bashez posted:

Can anyone explain why the Spurs are the best defense in the league with Kawhi off the court but bad when he's on?

I can't make heads or tails of it, he looks way lazier than normal but like he's still playing well.

Because he's on the court when the opponents best player is on, and sits when some garbage backup is on the court.

Punkin Spunkin
Jan 1, 2010
Nice read. Hadn't heard about this
https://www.thenation.com/article/soul-men-coach-pop-and-cornel-west/
Ya see the only reason we might not win it all this year is cuz Pop has his priorities straight :smugdog:

straight up brolic
Jan 31, 2007

After all, I was nice in ball,
Came to practice weed scented
Report card like the speed limit

:homebrew::homebrew::homebrew:

benching monroe was actually a master class by Kidd. The Bucks are drat good.

Hand Row
May 28, 2001
Too bad Schell has to miss a billion wide open threes rather than Middleton taking them.

Spring Break My Heart
Feb 15, 2012
Does Greg Monroe just outright suck?

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Kibner
Oct 21, 2008

Acguy Supremacy

Spring Break My Heart posted:

Does Greg Monroe just outright suck?

No, but he requires an uncommon situation to be a net positive and I'm not sure if he can be a main cog of a contender.

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