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Voters have been primed to dislike Clinton since the 80s or so, and the media (and the Russians and FBI) constantly harping on non-issue stories about her gave those voters just the excuse they wanted to hate her. Clinton, herself, was not equipped to deal with these scandals, because despite thirty years of constant vitriol being hurled at her, she did not have an adequate ability to deal with these "problems" and "scandals". She never seemed honest, either though she was. Perception is everything, and people like Biden and Sanders are better able to shape how people think. Trump, due to his ridiculous and non-stop bravado, was constantly in people's faces. He reminded me of those military planes that release a ton of flares at once to confuse tracking systems in that he was constantly starting new scandals about himself (such as literally leaking out those audio tapes of him being his aliases, John Barron and John Miller). It was impossible to focus on any one of his horrible deeds, and even if you did confront him, he would dodge with flagrant lies. He wasn't exactly natural at telling lies like some politicians are (namely, Pence), but he did it such a confident way that many of his supporters either believed him, or didn't care. And those who didn't care likely felt that way because they either found him charming or humorous, or agreed with his more bigoted and hateful lies (such as Muslims celebrating on September 11th), and wanted those lies to be true regardless of reality.
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Sidney Blumenthal ===== Satan Blame Thrall they can't release the hillary speech transcripts because she gave them in lizard not english the clinton foundation is a branch of alqueda (which also means "the foundation" obviously a connection) its pretty much clinton queda; they chop the arms off of children who are given autism vaccines, really bad stuff Benghazi. Bengazhi.
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Fulchrum posted:Last minute deciders broke really hard for Trump. If you think that Comey had nothing to do with that, you are completely insane. Those things made a difference in a close race that was only close because of how bad the Clinton and the Democrats hosed up
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AceRimmer posted:At least you're not calling Hillary a demon, she's clearly Lawful Evil not Chaotic Evil smh people, have you even played DnD? obviously possessed by the devil tho, she aged 20 years after the devil left her body and looks human again
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Neeksy posted:Clinton's ideology absolutely had an impact on her ability to present herself as being an honest politician with the best interests of the working public at heart. She had to spend all her time pretending that things were going great for everyone and that her technocratic friends were totally gonna be honest about helping the little guy this time, honest! The only way to sell neoliberalism to the public is to lie about its effects and benefactors.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:god i hope for his pancreas' sake that wasn't actual syrup and/or they got the footage in one take lol the bubbles move waaaaay too fast for that to be chugging maple syrup
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Fulchrum posted:No but it is something that you can and do need to be fully aware of going forward, not just pretend it had no impact til 2020 only to see it happen again because this election proved that there are no consequences for those illegal tricks. So the solution to an ever-expanding right wing media bubble and international collusion to screw with our democratic process is what, exactly? The benefactors of this are the GOP, who have no incentive to investigate or stop it. Since they are in power, there will likely be no action on it at all even as evidence piles up. In such a situation, there is not much one can do to combat it. What I'm saying is that the primary focus should be on learning from the Clinton mistakes and trying to create a back bench of strong leftist candidates who can lead a convincing campaign of reform.
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bump_fn posted:lol if u dont get ur pizza from satan https://hellpizza.com/nz
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Nichael posted:I guarantee, if she was better able to smile like a "normal" human with crowds, her own ideology wouldn't have been a factor. People on the street don't know what their own political opinions are. They don't know what they believe. A good politician tells them what they believe. yeah, people probably would have given Obama a third term in a landslide because people like him on a personal level regardless if he "burned" them policy-wise
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Nichael posted:Samantha Bee has a lovely opinion about school integration in her area, but there are no perfect people, much less so perfect people involved in politics or the media. She's funny, and she provides a valuable service to her viewers by pointing out how drat awful the right is. I do think she's absolutely wrong on the school issue but it doesn't make me write her off completely. Fulchrum posted:Last minute deciders broke really hard for Trump. If you think that Comey had nothing to do with that, you are completely insane. Source? Clinton's emails were a thing THE ENTIRE CAMPAIGN. And during that time the polls remained the same. People aren't likely to go "Oh Email stuff for a sixth time? Guess I'll break for Trump.". punk rebel ecks has issued a correction as of 07:16 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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HorseRenoir posted:yeah, people probably would have given Obama a third term in a landslide because people like him on a personal level regardless if he "burned" them policy-wise punk rebel ecks posted:It seriously should. Not all issues are equal. That single issues shows how much of a huge hypocrite she is.
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Baloogan posted:lol the bubbles move waaaaay too fast for that to be chugging maple syrup ah i asked because they had the guy that played damar in deep space 9 drink maple syrup as a prop for kanar
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AceRimmer posted:I'm leaving in 2 weeks, wish me luck moving AZ left Do you know which LD you're going to be in?
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Nichael posted:I guarantee, if she was better able to smile like a "normal" human with crowds, her own ideology wouldn't have been a factor. People on the street don't know what their own political opinions are. They don't know what they believe. A good politician tells them what they believe. So what you're saying is that the problem really is that Clinton was a bad candidate, then? Perhaps the trumpet-blaring "it's her turn" and "she's inevitable" rhetoric to clear the primary field from the start, promoting endorsements and superdelegates before any votes happened to make any opposition appear quixotic, and keeping even Joe Biden from running was possibly an indication that the DNC was backing the wrong horse, a candidate unsuited to sell their faux-woke liberalism due to her widely-known public image.
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Nichael posted:Samantha Bee has a lovely opinion about school integration in her area, but there are no perfect people, much less so perfect people involved in politics or the media. She's funny, and she provides a valuable service to her viewers by pointing out how drat awful the right is. I do think she's absolutely wrong on the school issue but it doesn't make me write her off completely. Nah, I think it utterly destroys any credibility she has because it reveals her ideology as completely hollow. Like most affluent dems, she's shown that her progressiveness comes to a screeching loving halt the very loving moment progressive policy inconveniences her. At minimum she's certainly in no place to ever try to shame anyone ever again.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:ah i asked because they had the guy that played damar in deep space 9 drink maple syrup as a prop for kanar wait seriously? goddamn dude is hardcore dedicated to his craft
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Nichael posted:If you dig into people's beliefs or histories, you're bound to find really lovely things. Samantha Bee is 100% wrong on that issue but it doesn't stop me from watching her show. Donald Trump is about to be our president. Nationalism is on the rise globally. The world's a grim and lovely place. Sometimes it's nice to just let people you look up to go on a few things for your own sanity. Or at least it is for me.
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Oh Snapple! posted:Nah, I think it utterly destroys any credibility she has because it reveals her ideology as completely hollow. Like most affluent dems, she's shown that her progressiveness comes to a screeching loving halt the very loving moment progressive policy inconveniences her. shes a comedian...
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Fulchrum posted:Last minute deciders broke really hard for Trump. If you think that Comey had nothing to do with that, you are completely insane. At best the straw that broke the camel's back, and the only reason he mattered was how little people trusted her already. She underperformed in states she should have won. She was a poo poo candidate through and through. What's funny is your refusal to admit she had no loving clue what she was doing. Using a computer algorithm, trying to trick Trump into not showing up by doing the same thing, throwing a million bucks into fighting internet trolls while members of your party in swing states are screaming at the top of their lungs that they need money to get out the vote, averaging going to Michigan and Wisconsin .5 times in the general meanwhile kicking back watching Hamilton multiple times. I get it, the center of the country and rural venues aren't her thing. She likes her home state and California more than VFW halls in Wisconsin or Union halls in Michigan. Cool, find a position raising money for the party and people who actually will go to those places and enjoy what little life you got left left. But neither of us should have to live with Cheeto Hitler because she decided she hates campaigning AND that it was her turn. The very heart of her failure was the presumption that she'd do as well as Obama did in 2012, which shows straight up hubris because in your heart of hearts, you know as well as I do that Obama is a charismatic fucker who knows how to message and she simply doesn't. This means she was unaware of her own limits (or almost as bad naive enough to think this isn't a high stakes popularity contest), and worse, thought herself to be a leader when by all indication she is not.
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UHD posted:wait seriously? oh lol they eventually switched to sugar free syrup. he was pounding pure corn syrup before quote:Karo syrup was used for brown kanar to create the effect of a dark, thick liquid, which Damar actor Casey Biggs actually drank. (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion, p. 696) Property Master Joe Longo joked, in an issue of Star Trek: The Magazine (Star Trek: The Magazine Volume 1, Issue 4), that "he was drinking so much he was getting wired, so we started using a thickened sugar-free pancake syrup."
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Oh Snapple! posted:Nah, I think it utterly destroys any credibility she has because it reveals her ideology as completely hollow. Like most affluent dems, she's shown that her progressiveness comes to a screeching loving halt the very loving moment progressive policy inconveniences her. Neeksy posted:So what you're saying is that the problem really is that Clinton was a bad candidate, then? Nichael has issued a correction as of 07:24 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Nichael posted:You're not wrong, but the things she says on her show are still factual, funny, and pervasive. She's a hypocrite, but she's useful overall. I guess what I'm saying is, let people watch her for 22 minutes a week, and come away thinking "gently caress Trump." I'll say that's fair enough - if someone wants to watch her to get angry at Trump, fine. I don't ever loving want to see her taking a swipe at the left again, though, because she doesn't have a leg to loving stand on in that area.
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The people who would watch Samantha Bee's show already think "gently caress Trump" in the first place. It's fine as entertainment, but a useful tool for activism and persuasion it isn't.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:oh lol they eventually switched to sugar free syrup. he was pounding pure corn syrup before that's less hardcore but i'll give the guy props anyway
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Neeksy posted:The people who would watch Samantha Bee's show already think "gently caress Trump" in the first place. It's fine as entertainment, but a useful tool for activism and persuasion it isn't. I guarantee that if people are not constantly reminded of poo poo, the anger and energy wears off. Echo chambers work and can be harnessed for good. Don't disparage them thinking people on the left are too good for them, we're not.
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Sam bee and Jason jones coming out as hardcore racists was definitely one of the most hilarious side stories of this election season.
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Zo posted:Sam bee and Jason jones coming out as hardcore racists was definitely one of the most hilarious side stories of this election season.
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Zo posted:Sam bee and Jason jones coming out as hardcore racists was definitely one of the most hilarious side stories of this election season. when did this happen specifically, anyway, i see it floated around a lot
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AceRimmer posted:~commute anxiety~ stil dyin' @ this
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Oh Snapple! posted:stil dyin' @ this
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Zo posted:Sam bee and Jason jones coming out as hardcore racists was definitely one of the most hilarious side stories of this election season. The best part was him telling people not to talk to the press, when both of their careers were made from people saying racist poo poo to them on camera.
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Can someone explain why America needed a 70 year old woman running for President rather than someone from a younger generation?
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Hey guys, remember how Wyatt Cenic and Jason Jones displayed serious bad blood during Jason's interview with him? I think I'm putting the pieces together.
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Unfunny Poster posted:Can someone explain why America needed a 70 year old woman running for President rather than someone from a younger generation? (the reason is money)
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