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overeager overeater posted:...or similar? Sometimes my music thing recommends me bands because they are "similar to The Mountain Goats"
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Skittle Prickle posted:I mean, there are plenty of radical communist and anarchist comunities that are alternatives to the mainstream left, but they don't need to hide their politics under layers of irony (beyond the normal memes and whatnot). Whereas the alt-right tend to be fascist-adjacent, but don't admit it publicly. Those are the far-left, not the "alt-left", which doesn't exist Also not shocked DeusExMachinima believes in the alt-left, lol
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ate all the Oreos posted:That's what I figured but I was hoping there was something making that obvious, like how it's easy to shut down people who think "virtue signalling" is some kind of academic thing by showing them that no actually it was made up by that one right wing columnist. It wasn't it appears (sighting back to 2004), though he claimed it (and then said others were overusing it).
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Dec 5, 2016 17:18
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divabot posted:It wasn't it appears (sighting back to 2004), though he claimed it (and then said others were overusing it). Well okay but it's still not some ridiculous academic concept thing like a lot of alt-righters seem to think. Thanks though 
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I Killed GBS posted:Those are the far-left, not the "alt-left", which doesn't exist Exactly what has to happen for the alt-left to exist under your definition?
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Dec 5, 2016 18:16
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chitoryu12 posted:Exactly what has to happen for the alt-left to exist under your definition? A relatively new, Internet-based movement that rejects most of the premises of mainstream left-wing thought. Appalling bigotry optional, but useful.
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Dec 5, 2016 18:24
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I thought anime marxists predated anime nazis anyway. Doesn't matter much, because the whole thing's dumb to begin with. Nazis are nazis, tankies are tankies, it doesn't actually matter if they're getting together in a beer hall or on an imageboard.
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Dec 5, 2016 18:30
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I think a sufficient measure of "existence" would be if there were actually a group that self-identifies as the alt-left and makes a bunch of stupid charts about it and a subreddit and had their own equivalent of Milo.
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Dec 5, 2016 18:32
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Ehhh if someone wants to (justifiably) rake VP Pence over the coals for his opinions on gays and then tries to find "nuance" in Castro then yeah theyre a fuckin idiot. Totally agree that said group doesnt have the cohesiveness or coordination of the alt-right and thank gently caress for that.
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Dec 5, 2016 20:06
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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"Virtue-signaling" is an idea at least as old as the Biblical pejorative sense of the term 'Pharisee.'
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It seems to me that it would be logical to use "alt-left" to describe a movement of young iconoclasts pursuing goals adjacent to standard liberalism, but at odds with the existing liberal establisment and unwilling to compromise with it for the sake of ideological purity, even if their views seem extreme, unusual, or even crazy to the establishment left. In other words, it would be the Bernie-or-bust folks. You know, the ones who didn't care if they burned it all down, as long as they didn't have to make any compromises.
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Nobody self-identifies as "alt-left." People do self-identify as "alt-right." It's not a complicated subject.
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ate all the Oreos posted:I think a sufficient measure of "existence" would be if there were actually a group that self-identifies as the alt-left and makes a bunch of stupid charts about it and a subreddit and had their own equivalent of Milo. So basically identical to alt-right except for stated beliefs? I Killed GBS posted:Nobody self-identifies as "alt-left." People do self-identify as "alt-right." It's not a complicated subject. That said, self-identifying as "alt-right" is typically just a way to disguise that you hold more sordid views appropriate to existing white supremacist groups in the first place. I don't think I'd necessarily take their self-identification as gospel when so many Neo-Nazis use the moniker to hide themselves. I'd consider "alt-left" to be anyone who at least behaves similarly to an alt-right individual regardless of whether they're 100% identical, like whether or not they have /r/The_Commie or if they're trying to use "alt-left" as a way to disguise that they're tankies. pookel posted:It seems to me that it would be logical to use "alt-left" to describe a movement of young iconoclasts pursuing goals adjacent to standard liberalism, but at odds with the existing liberal establisment and unwilling to compromise with it for the sake of ideological purity, even if their views seem extreme, unusual, or even crazy to the establishment left. ^ This is the definition I'd probably use. They behave similarly to the alt-right, just on the opposite side of the political scale. I'd also include tankies and the people who want the United States to elect an open communist, ostensibly because their candidate will "drain the swamp" and turn the government on its head but really they just want to see their pet peeves taken care of, drat everyone else.
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Oh my god, are you seriously giving credence to their false equivalency garbage It's bullshit lies made up by loving Nazis, stop trying to work out a way it "could" exist
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Dec 5, 2016 22:50
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You seem to be getting really worked about some idle theorycrafting, my dawg.
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Dec 5, 2016 23:10
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gently caress off fascist.
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I Killed GBS posted:gently caress off fascist.
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DeusExMachinima posted:You seem to be getting really worked about some idle theorycrafting, my dawg. You're the rear end in a top hat who posted a thread claiming to be looking for discussion about gun control and then immediately went psych there's no discussion that I wont respond to with NO GUN CONTROL EVER gently caress off with your just asking questions bullshit
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I Killed GBS posted:Oh my god, are you seriously giving credence to their false equivalency garbage I'm trying to be very, uh, generous because the people I'm arguing with aren't actually steeped in full-out alt-right hate so just going "gently caress off fascist" doesn't really help at all whereas actually having a well-thought-out response as to specifically why the alt-left isn't actually A Thing does. Part of doing that is interpreting it generously and thinking of ways it could be a thing because that's literally what I know people will do when I'm arguing with them because I'm sure they haven't thought it out thoroughly but nobody likes to be wrong - so they'll wind up at like "well it must be a thing because [tankies exist]" or whatever. I'd like to cover all my bases because as I said these are not actually bad people they are just people who don't pay attention as well as they should.
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Dec 5, 2016 23:48
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DeusExMachinima posted:You seem to be getting really worked about some idle theorycrafting, my dawg. This post on the other hand is dumb and you should feel bad about it.
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ate all the Oreos posted:I'm trying to be very, uh, generous because the people I'm arguing with aren't actually steeped in full-out alt-right hate so just going "gently caress off fascist" doesn't really help at all whereas actually having a well-thought-out response as to specifically why the alt-left isn't actually A Thing does. Part of doing that is interpreting it generously and thinking of ways it could be a thing because that's literally what I know people will do when I'm arguing with them because I'm sure they haven't thought it out thoroughly but nobody likes to be wrong - so they'll wind up at like "well it must be a thing because [tankies exist]" or whatever. Then you can give them a simple one: There is no Alt-Left, because that implies there is a way for a bunch of different far-leftists to cooperate long enough to form a cohesive movement, which is basically unheard of.
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Scroll down to learn that nydwracu has the whitest ideas about food.
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Pope Guilty posted:Scroll down to learn that nydwracu has the whitest ideas about food. Nope, actually a lot whiter than even your average white person in America, which I suppose he must pride himself on. And he also thinks that anything non-whites add to food, i.e. spice, is evil and horrible which should tell you something about what kind of racist he is.
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ate all the Oreos posted:I'm trying to be very, uh, generous because the people I'm arguing with aren't actually steeped in full-out alt-right hate so just going "gently caress off fascist" doesn't really help at all whereas actually having a well-thought-out response as to specifically why the alt-left isn't actually A Thing does. Part of doing that is interpreting it generously and thinking of ways it could be a thing because that's literally what I know people will do when I'm arguing with them because I'm sure they haven't thought it out thoroughly but nobody likes to be wrong - so they'll wind up at like "well it must be a thing because [tankies exist]" or whatever. This is the sort of thing that happens when rationalists are discussing a political idea, and you see evangelistic Bayesians suddenly switch to requiring proof of mind reading before they'll e.g. believe a racist is actually a loving racist. I Killed GBS posted:Then you can give them a simple one: There is no Alt-Left, because that implies there is a way for a bunch of different far-leftists to cooperate long enough to form a cohesive movement, which is basically unheard of. 
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divabot posted:It wasn't it appears (sighting back to 2004), though he claimed it (and then said others were overusing it). Virtue Signalling is any act or situation in which someones virtue is noticeable, ie. not saying or doing lovely things. This is seen as unfair by people who have no virtues. That is all. Like the villain in a children cartoon who gets really pissed off when the protagonists make new friends by sharing, caring, and not being bigoted against the new kid, because they make Professor Greedly and his Prickle-Hate Ray look bad in comparison.
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https://twitter.com/nydwracu/status/804778211787866112 Palate of an 7 year old boy
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ate all the Oreos posted:I'm trying to be very, uh, generous because the people I'm arguing with aren't actually steeped in full-out alt-right hate so just going "gently caress off fascist" doesn't really help at all whereas actually having a well-thought-out response as to specifically why the alt-left isn't actually A Thing does. Part of doing that is interpreting it generously and thinking of ways it could be a thing because that's literally what I know people will do when I'm arguing with them because I'm sure they haven't thought it out thoroughly but nobody likes to be wrong - so they'll wind up at like "well it must be a thing because [tankies exist]" or whatever. At least one of them however has a history of being a disingenuous shithead for the sake of writing right wibg polemics so you'll excuse me if my only response is to tell him to get bent
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I Killed GBS posted:Then you can give them a simple one: There is no Alt-Left, because that implies there is a way for a bunch of different far-leftists to cooperate long enough to form a cohesive movement, which is basically unheard of. Yeah... I can't really think of a counterargument to this one.
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I Killed GBS posted:Then you can give them a simple one: There is no Alt-Left, because that implies there is a way for a bunch of different far-leftists to cooperate long enough to form a cohesive movement, which is basically unheard of. Yeah that's pretty great.
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Dec 6, 2016 04:58
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is it any surprise that a fucker that looks like this: probably subsists off a diet of milk, white bread and unseasoned chicken tendies?
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If using cumin and turmeric make me a race traitor, then death to whitey.
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You better stay away from ginger, saffron, and habanero as well. Just to be safe make sure your salt comes from France, and for Gnon's sake stay away from that devilish black pepper.
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uber_stoat posted:is it any surprise that a fucker that looks like this: That's like the first picture I show anyone when they ask me what the heck this dork enlightenment business is all about because it sells the whole thing so well 
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Relevant Tangent posted:You better stay away from ginger, saffron, and habanero as well. Just to be safe make sure your salt comes from France, and for Gnon's sake stay away from that devilish black pepper. Asking for a friend: is it alright if your black pepper comes from Cayenne (French Guyane)?
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If you absolutely must add spices to your food, at least make sure they were all harvested by semi-indentured third-world
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Bourricot posted:Asking for a friend: is it alright if your black pepper comes from Cayenne (French Guyane)? I think you'll find that Cayenne pepper is red, actually  Seriouspost: What is it with white nationalists and food? The fash came on a march to my city, one of them had a sign saying HALAL IS THE THIN END OF THE ISLAMOFASCIST WEDGE Like...how can you be so insecure that you're scared of a specific way of butchering animals? It boggles the mind. MikeCrotch has a new favorite as of 11:17 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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MikeCrotch posted:I think you'll find that Cayenne pepper is red, actually It's all part of Obama's secret plot to instate shariah law, like how they started the conversion to the metric system with food and drink and now we're all communists who measure things in joules per kiloliter-gram or whatever
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MikeCrotch posted:Seriouspost: What is it with white nationalists and food? The fash came on a march to my city, one of them had a sign saying HALAL IS THE THIN END OF THE ISLAMOFASCIST WEDGE
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