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DACK FAYDEN posted:Didn't they make Theatrhythm Dragon Quest? Yeah. It doesn't..work as well.
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FFXV game plays like an open-world Dissidia, so I am very pleased that the full soundtracks from Dissidia and Duodecim made it in. Cruising around, listening to God in Fire... yeah, I'm enjoying this way too much. Varance fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:Vanille had some truly incredibl(y bad) voice acting that somehow manages to parse as fake Australian even when the voice actress is an actual Australian lady, and her constant little high pitched noises made me want to throw the console out the window, but she was actually probably the strongest character in XIII development-wise. Zaphod42 posted:The weird part is Vanille is a decent voice actress and she does have that accent down right, the problem is she got terrible VO direction that told her to intentionally try to sound really weird and zany to express the foreignness of her character or something to that effect. "I basically had to go into a booth and go 'AH-HA UH' all the time!"
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quote:xxkillin3mxx3 years ago
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Vanille's CV, Georgia van Cuylenburg, is from Austraila. She was told to use her normal voice with minimal direction other than "sound cute," so if it sounds amateur, that's why.
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So I finished X-2 again 13 years since the last time I did and drat, it really is the best one. The good (but not perfect) ending is truly great and is a perfect ending to the FFX saga. It's one of those things that you don't want to end, but at least it ends with everyone happy. The Celsius flying through clear blue skies set to that ending theme certainly set the mood.
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Is FFXV better played in Japanese or English in terms of voice quality?
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Japanese Prompto is nearly Japanese Teddie levels of bad, everyone else is up to preference.
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It's absolutely up to preference. Both casts are fantastic and Gladio is a standout on both, but the English Prompto voice is definitely better than the Japanese one as one of the few outliers.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Is FFXV better played in Japanese or English in terms of voice quality? I watch anime subtitled exclusively, and I'm enjoying the English voices in this fine. yeah I said it
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If you play on Japanese you'll never hear "AH'VE COME UP WITH A NEW RECIPEY!" It's a situation where Japanese dub is of quality but English has more character.
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Noctis in English is terrible but I think it's how they wanted it. It's not that the acting is bad, it's just that when the main character has no enthusiasm for anything and sounds constantly disinterested, it rubs off on me, the player.
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The beans quest has been Noctis at his best. If every quest involved Noctis being a picky eater and getting a heart to heart about how to eat well, it would be goty
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Dec 6, 2016 10:07
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I love Noct's "Yeeeeeeeeeeuuuup." responses in combat.
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How much better would FF15 be if Noctis constantly made Vanille noises?
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So a surprisingly hard question struck me today: What's the FF game that's worst about female representation, that isn't FFXV? Because XV is just SUPER bad at it, yet when I saw someone on another forum mention that's just kinda what you expect from a conservative Japanese company went 'hold on'. Final Fantasy has been really good about strong female representation historically, it's XV that's the aberration. The contenders I've got so far, excepting the first since it kinda doesn't give us enough data to go on... X-2: Kickass ladies all over the place, but super pandering to the female audience as a conservative Japanese company saw them. A big part of Yuna's motivation is being in love with a boy. VIII: I haven't played it, so I'm judging from the outside, but what I've heard suggests that it's pretty happy to sideline or damselize what female heroes it has. Beyond that, can't judge. VII: Tifa and Aerith might be strong characters, but both of them are hugely defined by their relationship with Big Strong Men. And then there's Wall Market, I dunno what that counts as but it's not good. But most of the game's other women are pretty solid, so I dunno. IV: You've got Rosa and Rydia, and Rosa does not come off well. The game's female cast beyond them and Porom is pretty thin.
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FF15 is fine with it too you just don't get to play as any, you get Iris and Aranea as guests though.
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Rosa is pretty much the most generic love interest ever. I always hated her. Glad I played Advanced so I could drop her at the end. VIII is...bad. Shocking, I know. Rinoa has her own character arc but it is quite simply torpedoed so she can fall in love with the dark and broody main character. Because who needs healthy relationships with their father when they can just run off and date the emotional basketcase they met yesterday? Quistis is similarly defined entirely by her relationship with the lead. Selphie is just kinda there, like 99% of VIII's cast. The main villain is a female whose motivation is spelled out in maybe two lines of dialogue. VII did have the infamous slap fight where Tifa "Martial Arts Prodigy" Lockhart forgot everything so she could potentially be defeated by a wealthy snob with no apparent training in combat. But other than that, I think it does its female cast very well. Definitely better than VIII or IV. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 11:23 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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bloodychill posted:Noctis in English is terrible but I think it's how they wanted it. It's not that the acting is bad, it's just that when the main character has no enthusiasm for anything and sounds constantly disinterested, it rubs off on me, the player. But that's what makes him great! The juxtaposition of his voice and the dorky poo poo he says is amazing
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Would love to go in on this further but stuck on mobile so won't. Obvious choice is FF1 since there's barely any female reps at all and none of them do anything. 4 is pretty bad but Rosa does have rare moments of badassery and the game does have that nation run by eight women when everything else is a monarchy. 2 and 3 are decent for their time. Everything else is pretty good besides maybe 8.
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Sakurazuka posted:FF15 is fine with it too you just don't get to play as any, you get Iris and Aranea as guests though. I don't know who those two are, all I know is it's the only game in the series that doesn't give you the option of having even a single lady (excepting NES III and arguably I if you don't think White Mage counts), and the most visible female character by far before release was Tits Mechanic. I think there might also be a captured princess, but don't hold me to that one. Mega64 posted:Would love to go in on this further but stuck on mobile so won't. Obvious choice is FF1 since there's barely any female reps at all and none of them do anything. 4 is pretty bad but Rosa does have rare moments of badassery and the game does have that nation run by eight women when everything else is a monarchy. 2 and 3 are decent for their time. Everything else is pretty good besides maybe 8. I kinda have to waive FFI by virtue of it being so bare-bones. Sure, there's barely any female characters that do anything, but that feels more a part of how small the cast is at all. The NPCs I can think of that have a story impact that aren't bosses are Princess Sara (damsel, so fair cop), Matoya, Sarda and Bahamut. And I only remember Sarda because of 8-Bit Theater.
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I mean then maybe you shouldn't comment if you haven't played the game and don't know who anyone is?
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XV is fine; other than Badly Dressed Mechanic, all the other females are pretty solid characters. Saying it's not a good reflection on females is like saying X-2 is a bad reflection on males (I mean it kind of is, but not just because there are no playable guys).
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Saw this rumour floating around NeoGAF -- a roadmap for Final Fantasy's 30th anniversary year: http://vgleaks.com/final-fantasy-30th-anniversary-roadmap/ The real juicy part is the Final Fantasy 30th Anniversary Collection: quote:This compilation will include Final Fantasy I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII and IX and it will be released on PS4 and PS Vita in a single disc/card. It will include two versions of Final Fantasy I to VI: original versions from NES/SNES and modern ports (mostly mobile ports). FF VII to XI will be based only in newest ports. Final Fantasy II and III from NES will receive an official English translation (first time). Games will be based on Japanese versions, therefore we will be able to play parts that were cut out when games were released overseas. Graphical censorship included in some titles when they were released outside Japan will remain. The collection will have a built-in art gallery and a sound test menu to play songs from games included. I'd buy the poo poo out of this on both platforms. S-E could get away with charging a bigger MSRP for the amount of content here, to avoid undermining their PSN prices, so it's just about plausible. The games would be a tight fit on a Vita card, but Vita cards can be up to 8GB which would easily fit all of those, or they could do I-VII on a smaller card and the others as PSN codes or something like with FFX/X-2. Anyway it's probably bullshit but holy poo poo would they sell a lot of these if it's true.
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Wait, so are things like Ruby WEAPON gonna be present in that set? Because I don't think they were in the original Japanese versions.
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The games which had stuff added for the western versions got re-released in Japan as whatever International so there would be no reason to not include them.
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I like both the English and Japanese voices for the four protagonists, but I like the Japanese voices for the NPCs way more.
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Cleretic posted:VIII: I haven't played it, so I'm judging from the outside, but what I've heard suggests that it's pretty happy to sideline or damselize what female heroes it has. Beyond that, can't judge. quote:VII: Tifa and Aerith might be strong characters, but both of them are hugely defined by their relationship with Big Strong Men. And then there's Wall Market, I dunno what that counts as but it's not good. But most of the game's other women are pretty solid, so I dunno. Oh also extremely generous to the rest of the game's female cast, which consists of, what, Shera (Cid's common-law wife), Scarlet (who is only remembered for appearing in the slap fight minigame, most people don't even recall that she's piloting Proud Clod), and Yuffie (who... wasn't she not even in the original build of the game?). As for Wall Market, I wouldn't call that Not Good. I mean, it's largely a product of its era, but even to date, it's probably the most pragmatic and generous depiction of crossdressing in a game ever. Aeris gives you a little guff over it, but--and this could be an executive editorial decision--the player is never made to feel bad about it, and in fact it can seem really rewarding and make you feel like you're so hot poo poo for being good at dressing Cloud up as a girl.
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Cleretic posted:I don't know who those two are, all I know is it's the only game in the series that doesn't give you the option of having even a single lady (excepting NES III and arguably I if you don't think White Mage counts), and the most visible female character by far before release was Tits Mechanic. I think there might also be a captured princess, but don't hold me to that one. Aranea was in a bunch of the pre-release trailers, but most of the focus has been on Noct/Luna, due to the significance of King and Oracle in the storyline. Aranea is the dragoon that jumps the party during one of the military fortress segments of the game, and eventually joins the party for a bit as a fill-in for Gladio. There's also Iris, who is basically this game's Tifa to Lunafreya's Aerith. She's Gladio's younger sister, and also a capable party member for as long as you have her. People made a big deal about Cindy because she was in one of the early trailers, plus the demos. Aside from TITS EVERYWHERE (which is still there), to say she's important to the storyline is an understatement. Poor presentation based on limited information. Varance fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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I find it incredibly hard to believe that SE would sell all of those games in a package instead of conitnuing to milk them separately.
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Cleretic posted:X-2: Kickass ladies all over the place, but super pandering to the female audience as a conservative Japanese company saw them. A big part of Yuna's motivation is being in love with a boy. I just smashed through X-2 so this is fresh in my mind. Yuna's love for Tidus is only her motivator at the start of the story. When the plot really kicks off at the end of chapter 1 there's a large focus of her growth as a person and what it takes to maintain Spria's Calm. In fact, if you qualify for the good/perfect ending she can actually reject the Fayth's offer to reform Tidus, which I think is the game's whole message. But the game as a whole so great towards women. A large amount of them are authority figures and all of them are treated as at least equals by men. They also exhibit their softer sides without undermining their character, such as Dona pining to be reunited with Bartello while still being a respected leader in the Youth League.
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Play the English version because you get to hear Liam O'Brien as some random innkeep and it's hella distracting Also I like English Noctis a lot Arist fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Cleretic posted:So a surprisingly hard question struck me today: What's the FF game that's worst about female representation, that isn't FFXV? Because XV is just SUPER bad at it, yet when I saw someone on another forum mention that's just kinda what you expect from a conservative Japanese company went 'hold on'. Final Fantasy has been really good about strong female representation historically, it's XV that's the aberration. IX is probably the best for female representation, but I think you're being really unfair on VII. Tifa's character arc revolves around Cloud, sure, but she's a really good character whose character arc is resolved by her, more or less, learning that the best way to help someone else is about being honest and being strong enough to stand on your own. Aeris is entirely her own character, who's mostly defined by being the one who knows what's going on and teasing the main character when he's trying to be the Big Strong Man. Yuffie has her own arc completely separate to Cloud (which is probably because she's an optional character but is still worth noting). For NPCs you have: Shera, who is also an excellent scientist (who ends up saving Cid). While her relationshipwith Cid when we meet her isn't "good" it's also never portrayed as good, but as the result of two broken people trying to deal with what they did. Scarlet is one of the head honchos of ShinRa, but is the only woman. She is the one who organises the execution and also the one in charge of weapon development, culminating in the Proud Clod and Sister ray. Elena, who is mostly played for humour but is also a member of the Turks. Priscilla, who has an awesome dolphin who can jump 50 goddamn feet in the air. Also has Shiva for some reason. The chick who's your manager in the chocobo races. Jenova is always presented as female. Chole (the chocobo chick) Aeris's mom(s), who both come across as strong women who have done a lot to keep their daughter safe. For men you've got: Johnny, who you can meet through the game. The rest of the Turks. The rest of Shinra's head honchos (which is an accurate reflection of those rooms at the time, so YMMV). Yuffie's dad. Corneo and his goons who are just awful. Sephiroth. Rufus, who is kind of separate from the rest of the Shinra systems. Zack. Fort Condor, though it's called out as them having sent their women and children away. Bugenhagen and, I think, most but not all of the elders. DIO - the best character. Choco Billy But really more importantly re: FF7: If FFX is mom's are bad, FF7 is mom's are great. and how that can be a nurturing or destructive way (but ultimately comes down on the side that an active role will be good for the kid). Arist posted:If I never hear To Zanarkand again it'll be too soon I've got some news for you buddy you're missing out big time. Captain Baal posted:Beaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaans BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARTZ Cavelcade fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Thankfully I had already seen that video, but point taken
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Krad posted:I find it incredibly hard to believe that SE would sell all of those games in a package instead of conitnuing to milk them separately. I dunno, they could sell it at a premium, and when placed alongside some exorbitantly-priced collectors editions they could make a pretty penny for just a bunch of porting work and no actual original content needed. Plus it'd only be for PS4/Vita, so they could easily do it again for the next console gen. I'd guess by this point they've probably already got as many sales of the old PSN releases as they're likely to get, as well, but a new physical, convenient collection with updated ports could get a whole new influx of sales out of the old FF entries. I mean most of us probably have these games three times over, but I sure as hell would buy these just for convenience alone, as I suspect many other people would too. There's also precedent for this nowadays, what with stuff like Mega Man Legacy Collection -- cheaper and with more features than the VC releases of 1-6, but Capcom still went for it.
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The White Dragon posted:Oh also extremely generous to the rest of the game's female cast, which consists of, what, Shera (Cid's common-law wife), Scarlet (who is only remembered for appearing in the slap fight minigame, most people don't even recall that she's piloting Proud Clod), and Yuffie (who... wasn't she not even in the original build of the game?). Yuffie was definitely there, otherwise places like Wutai would be kinda meaningless. They just didn't include her and Vincent in cutscenes at the end because not everyone might have them, and then handwaved it later on as them going back to help evacuate people. Cavelcade posted:IX is probably the best for female representation, but I think you're being really unfair on VII. Tifa's character arc revolves around Cloud, sure, but she's a really good character whose character arc is resolved by her, more or less, learning that the best way to help someone else is about being honest and being strong enough to stand on your own. Aeris is entirely her own character, who's mostly defined by being the one who knows what's going on and teasing the main character when he's trying to be the Big Strong Man. Yuffie has her own arc completely separate to Cloud (which is probably because she's an optional character but is still worth noting). For NPCs you have: I feel like Tifa would be a bit better if she interacted with more people other than Cloud after the first half of the game. She has that one moment with Red XIII at the Gold Saucer, but that's it. Which is kind of a failing of most of the cast, they really only interact with Cloud and that's it until he goes comatose. If we saw Tifa actually supporting other people, even Marlene, that'd be nice, but she's just kinda floating around til Gaea's Cliff.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Yuffie was definitely there, otherwise places like Wutai would be kinda meaningless. They just didn't include her and Vincent in cutscenes at the end because not everyone might have them, and then handwaved it later on as them going back to help evacuate people. I think that's probably something that comes from the way the story is set up - a lot of the characters have homes we visit and we get to see their interactions from that. Tifa and Cloud, by default, can't have that and can only have that interaction with each other - which they do, later on. You do have other moments with her, like her hanging out with Johnny, but in general her and Cloud's story is part of the "main" story, and so she gets less spotlight, since she's not the main character of the game. I wonder what I'd think of it if the positions were reversed, with everything remaining the same except the genders of Cloud and Tifa being swapped. Hm.
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Tifa is unhealthily codependent and is just as broken a person as Cloud is, but in a different way. She's enabling Cloud's delusions the entire time because she's afraid of losing the one connection to her childhood and past that she has. She's not really a "strong" character per se, but her flaws aren't depicted as being good things either and she does grow stronger as a character later on in the game. FF7 is a game where most of the cast are completely broken people trying to do what they think is right and only being able to do any serious help for the planet once they've helped themselves with their issues.
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