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Cardiac posted:Also, interesting to see that the thread condones open drug dealing as long as they don't bother anyone. No one is saying that. Cardiac posted:Malmö is a large Potemkin kuliss at this stage. Lmao ok
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Look mate, crime exists and therefore Malmö has to be a Mad Max hellscape and it's all the fault of the goddamn foreigners. The logic is surely irrefutable.
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Malmö is one of those cities that are not an amazing place to show tourists as there are few things that really stick out, but it's a pretty nice place to live. It is far smaller and more compact than Stockholm, so you can get everywhere by bike even if you live in a suburb. It's not built on a bunch of small islands and there are properly proportioned motorways around the city, so traffic is never that congested. It has nice parks, good beaches in summer, an airport 15 minutes away by train, and Copenhagen 30 minutes away. It has a city centre with actual shops, unlike a lot of smaller towns where everything is evacuated to big boxy shopping centres outside town. You can still afford to live in the city centre on an average income, without selling the organs of your future children on the black market. It has a wide range of cultural activities, including an actually pretty nice opera and a top of the line consert house. So yeah, it's a pretty decent place to live in, but Stockholm is by far a prettier city if you come by as a tourist.
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As a tourist you do run out of things to do in Malmö in approx. 2.5 days, but I'm sure to residents that counts as a positive. Fewer weirdo foreigners trying to order things in shops in broken Swedish when both parties are clearly fluent English speakers, must make the days fly by. I liked the statue with the fun parade, that was cute e: nobody offered me drugs or set fire to any of my belongings though, so I guess I didn't get the Real Malmö Experience 
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Angepain posted:Fewer weirdo foreigners trying to order things in shops in broken Swedish when both parties are clearly fluent English speakers, must make the days fly by. But how would I train my Beeswax posted:Malmö is an ugly city* full of cool people and a really nice sense of community. It's a bizarro-world version of Stockholm, basically.
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lilljonas posted:Please, don't mind actual data.
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evil_bunnY posted:Can this be the thread title? That or, en roast av Sverige
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Angepain posted:the Real Malmö Experience 
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Speaking of Kalmar, who on Earth did think that's a nice name?! Frankly I can think of about fifteen men, and Pekka.
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MiddleOne posted:Well, I guess it's still beats Gothenburg that will someday literally slide into the sea. What? Most of Gothenburg is placed on rocks and hills, only parts around the very city center is placed on recent riverbed or river associated swamp land. That is almost like saying Stockholm is sliding into the sea.
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Zudgemud posted:What? Most of Gothenburg is placed on rocks and hills, only parts around the very city center is placed on recent riverbed or river associated swamp land. That is almost like saying Stockholm is sliding into the sea. You don't think the city centre constitutes the city? 
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Oh poo poo, Stockholm's gonna slide into the sea!?
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lilljonas posted:You can either listen to Cardiac about how Malmö is a crime-ridden hellhole filled with dangerous non-Swedes, or you can look at actual surveys that showed that this very year, Malmö was number 7 on the European survey of how satisfied people are with the city they live in.
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MiddleOne posted:You don't think the city centre constitutes the city? Area wise no, because it is just a tiny bit, like 95% is located on hills or on non river associated flatland that have no risk of going into the sea. Really, the terrain in Gothenburg is not a marshy delta consisting of sand banks and reed beds like Bangladesh, it is a lower fjord inlet with a rocky as hell archipelago. The marsh lands of the olden days were studded in between lots of rocks and hills and the modern city was founded upon one of these rocky outcropping and the canals of that city went between the rocky outcroppings.
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Beeswax posted:Oh poo poo, Stockholm's gonna slide into the sea!? One can but hope..
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Crowley posted:But how would I train my I am one such weirdo foreigner, my post was merely normal healthy british self-loathing.
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Personlig føler jeg meg ikke integrert i en by før noen har tilbudt meg hasj. Ikke at jeg skjønner hvorfor de prøver, dette er en samtale jeg hadde med en pusher: "Røyker du?" "Nei." "Røyker du?" "eh, nei?" "Vil du ha litt tjall?" "Hæ?" "Har du lyst til å kjøpe litt marihuana?" "Nei takk"
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Of course people are satisfied, you'd be too if you moved out of a war zone and into a country where the government showers you with gifts while not interfering when you take the locals as slaves. SOS I tried to get the train this morning, but got kidnapped by a roaming tribe of Tuareg camel nomads. I'm currently being carted away to the White Slave Market in Landskrona. Take heed of my plight, Cardiac was right all along!
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Turning Torso, or as it is known these days, Tenpenny Tower.
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lilljonas posted:SOS Back in the good old days the worst you had to worry about when visiting Malmö was packing your gas mask and outwitting the local War Boys raiding parties preying on the survivors of the irradiated ruins. Sad commentary on the state of affairs that Löfven has let it go this far, our hearts go out to you.
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Alhazred posted:Personlig føler jeg meg ikke integrert i en by før noen har tilbudt meg hasj. Ikke at jeg skjønner hvorfor de prøver, dette er en samtale jeg hadde med en pusher:
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The most polite, approachable and downright friendly-in-a-non-fake-feeling-way salesman I've ever interacted with was someone trying to sell me some pot. No beating around the bush either, just asked whether I wanted to buy some, then politely bid me a good day when I declined. He was clearly having a good time, and wanted to share them with other people. Much better experience than those horrible horrible people that infest bigger towns; streets salesmen wanting to get you to sign up for some poo poo they don't even believe in themselves. I have the exact opposite experience.
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Have not had any experience with drug dealers in Sweden, but from rather plentiful interactions back in Latvia the entire business amounted to calling guy on phone number you got from someone else, arranging a meeting, then it's a couple minutes of staring to figure out if it's clear to make a deal, deal happens and everyone parts their ways. Can't say my local drug dealers were approachable or friendly, but there some vulgar professionalism. Yes/no, thanks, good bye. On the other hand, drug dealing in my town works like pizza delivery. Anyone straight up dealing on a generic street would be rounded up very quickly. Heck, these days I hear the poo poo is to just order magic mushrooms via regular mail, though idiots who do the same with MDMA have been busted in the post office. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Alhazred posted:I have the exact opposite experience.
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Drug dealers is Oslo (well, the ones who hang out in gentrified areas such as Akerselva and Torggata) will just stand on a corner and whisper/cough something that I'm guessing translates into "Do you want to buy some Khat/Pot". This seems to fit the Norwegian temperament pretty well as you can simply look straight ahead and keep walking, like you would in any other situation where someone says something to you out in public.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:On the other hand, drug dealing in my town works like pizza delivery. In Copenhagen those couriers are commonly known as "De brune bude" ("The brown messengers"). Send a certain number an SMS with what you want, and where you are, and they'll deliver. I'm not sure if it's free if you don't get it in 30 minutes though.
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Crowley posted:In Copenhagen those couriers are commonly known as "De brune bude" ("The brown messengers"). Send a certain number an SMS with what you want, and where you are, and they'll deliver. I'm not sure if it's free if you don't get it in 30 minutes though.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The most polite, approachable and downright friendly-in-a-non-fake-feeling-way salesman I've ever interacted with was someone trying to sell me some pot. No beating around the bush either, just asked whether I wanted to buy some, then politely bid me a good day when I declined. He was clearly having a good time, and wanted to share them with other people. Much better experience than those horrible horrible people that infest bigger towns; streets salesmen wanting to get you to sign up for some poo poo they don't even believe in themselves.
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MiddleOne posted:I shouldn't have re-iterate why feelings of nostalgia and gut feelings on crime levels are unreliable but your own paper already told you about why this sentiment is very likely objectively wrong so just read that I suppose. Here is the most relevant part Yes, and the issue with that is while overall crime is going down, certain specific crimes are increasing. So what you have are an overall decrease in crime which hides certain increases, notably car burnings, shootings, throwing stones at the police, firefighters and ambulances and explosions. Looking at overall averages is a good way of hiding details. Or you think that 50 explosions in a year is normal and have been a common day occurence for years? That part have thankfully gone down since they caught the responsible ones. Or well, skip Malmö and take Stockholm. http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=103&artikel=6549893 http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=1637&artikel=6580905 Also from the Sydsvenskan article Sydsvenskan posted:– Vid narkotikabrott är anmälningsbenägenheten mycket låg. But it goes with this thread as "gently caress the poor" since they are not voting left. The shootings, burnings, bad schools, and segregated living areas are things that doesn't affect the people in this thread, since we are living well away from it and have the means to do so. Meanwhile it fucks the poorer people living there since it is their cars that gets burned, it is their life that are on the stake since the criminal gangs are throwing rocks at firefighters and ambulances necessitating police escort and thereby delays in emergencies, it is there kids that fail to get through school since the good teachers avoid their schools and the lack of discipline and overfilled homes, it is their kids that get recruited into criminal gangs at a young age.
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Swedish drug laws are so loving dumb.
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so that means I can be a cheapskate and post about posting instead of having some wit or spending any more on comedy avs for people. Which I'm also incapable of. Comedy.
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Alcohol is the best drug https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ltg6XyzbtU
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Cardiac posted:Y quote:But it goes with this thread as "gently caress the poor" since they are not voting left.  First of all that's pretty huge assumption. Second it's pretty lovely to use poor people as a way to score political points like you are doing here.
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It is rather impressive how quickly the far-right have managed to disseminate their new talking points, when under a year ago it was still "but what about the law-abiding, upstanding citizens (rich conservative white people)" and now even the lowliest troll will be going on about the poor working class. Say what you will about the far-left, but at least they are consistent. On one hand it's kind of good that the far-right is talking about the working class, as many of them are working class themselves and it would be an improvement over being instruments of rich assholes, but on the other hand they helped elect Trump. We can hope they start follwing through on their promises, but I rather doubt it, especially considering the brown people they hate tend to be poor and working class as well.
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tink is moving up in this world or maybe not, unsure if writing in aftonbladet is actually better than writing on an internet comedy forum
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Tink's been getting the occasional opinion piece published in Aftonbladet and SVT in the past few years. I agree with most of his stuff.
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