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Karl Barks posted:i've been reading a lot of ha goodman lately... and i think pizzagate is real ha goodman is a cointelpro agent
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There's no way the primaries were actually rigged, because the Democratic establishment is incredibly incompetent and would've hosed it up at every turn.
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Concerned Citizen posted:ok fine, it seems we disagree on a matter of fact. so please show me the email that demonstrates the dnc and hfa coordinating on primary-related messaging. (and it should be fairly obvious by now - but clearly dws was given a do-nothing, unpaid cheerleading job with hfa so she would gently caress off from the dnc quietly and stop trying to make a scene)  i can't believe you're still peddling the "hillary gave DWS a job because she had to!" bs. it should be drat obvious by now that hillary didn't do anything she didn't want to do, regardless of how necessary it wasalso, DWS repeating unsubstantiated rumors about bernie's voters in an attempt to discredit him is evidence enough that she was coordinating with the hillary campaign http://www.snopes.com/did-sanders-supporters-throw-chairs-at-nevada-democratic-convention/ she was in the best position of anyone to confirm the truth of this (or at least realize there was no evidence behind the allegations). she repeated the fake news uncritically instead for obvious reasons. quote:nope. she did use a campaign finance loophole to raise more money by funneling it through state parties (obama also used this same trick but on a smaller scale) but that money was never going to the state parties. the parties that signed up for it were well aware of what they were signing up for and how it worked. and you also don't understand how the democratic party works - state parties do not finance down tickets except when the peculiarities of state campaign finance law makes it the better option. federal money is given to down tickets through dga, dccc, etc. i will admit though that this impression was built by the hillary campaign in a pretty dishonest way in the first place, by touting their joint victory fund money as "downticket money" when only some of that money raised for dnc was going to ultimately end up with downtickets. yeah, i disapprove of her using the DNC to circumvent campaign finance laws during the primary when she hadn't won yet. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/clinton-fundraising-leaves-little-for-state-parties-222670 the DNC should not have been funneling money to the clinton campaign during the primary (and arguably, during the general too since her campaign starved everyone else's) quote:perhaps you should look up the definition of "loaded words." you can't run back to a random dictionary definition when the plain meaning of what is meant is clear to everyone. i haven't posted a single dictionary definition of rigging. you're the only one that's been running to a random dictionary definition when the plain meaning is fairly clear (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Homeless Friend posted:The Green party, they're almost as effective as democrats on the national level. do they have a better thread and memes
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UHD posted:do they have a better thread It would be unfair to compare the threads. People just dunk in stein in the green thread whereas in this thread we are the ones being dunked, by reality.
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The Greens will win...in Germany. Opening crawl of Red Dawn coming true smh
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Mister Fister posted:Except Hillary got far more coverage than Bernie Trump got more coverage than Gilmore in 2015. Bernie's polling was a joke early on. Bernie's coverage improved with his polls - by April, Fox was concern trolling "Why can't she put him away?!?!" for their entire opinion lineup.
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AceRimmer posted:The Greens will win...in Germany. Opening crawl of Red Dawn coming true smh is this actually happening? i was wondering what germany's politics are looking like since in france it looks more and more like it's gonna be between arch-conservative fillon (les republicains) and fascist le pen (front nationale).
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loquacius posted:I don't think the primary was literally rigged, but I do think the media was pushing the Bernie Bro narrative pretty hard for something that was made up entirely from whole cloth, and managed to turn socialism into something with serious racist and sexist implications in the mind of the Democratic primary electorate I think the problem with this stuff is if people are sticking by the 'problems in Bernie's campaign base didn't exist at all because the 'bernie bro' thing was overblown bullshit' view. Like, poo poo like #Mississippiberning trending for a bit was a thing that happened, 'corporate whore' was a hosed up thing, the whole 'DON'T VOTE WITH YOUR VAGINA' meme was patronizing as gently caress, the Nevada backlash regardless of how you feel about the primary itself was loving insane, not even going into the whole 'how can you say he had bad minority outreach he marched with MLK' kettle of fish. There are issues that you can argue he ignored while cultivating his base and they were valid issues to make people worry if that was going to be the 'face of socialism' or whatever and it feels like those all get swept off with the 'but bernie bros was fake ergo nothing bad happened' stuff. Like, to try to be more concrete, was it media being unfair to him when people said 'it's hosed up that the Nevada DNC chair is getting weird death threats and his main statement about it was 'that's bad but hey people are angry'? I'd consider that a fair thing to bring up, but that often seems to get invoked as one of the 'bernie bro' mythology things. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Condiv posted:is this actually happening? i was wondering what germany's politics are looking like since in france it looks more and more like it's gonna be between arch-conservative fillon (les republicains) and fascist le pen (front nationale). the German far-right (Alternativ fuer Deutschland, AfD), and far-left (Die Linke, the family tree of which has roots in East Germany) are increasing their vote totals on the margins, but, for now, Merkel's CDU (center-right) and the Social Democrats (center-left) dominate the country with a centrist coalition. No telling how long that'll hold, though.
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how did I miss this. this is the best.
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Here's something Democrats should stop doing.
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HannibalBarca posted:the German far-right (Alternativ fuer Deutschland, AfD), and far-left (Die Linke, the family tree of which has roots in East Germany) are increasing their vote totals on the margins, but, for now, Merkel's CDU (center-right) and the Social Democrats (center-left) dominate the country with a centrist coalition. No telling how long that'll hold, though. Of all the centrist governments in Europe right now, it's the only major one I feel confident can actually weather the populist/neo-fascist storm since Merkel seems to actually know how to run government effectively, and manage unpopular-but-correct decisions.
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Joementum posted:Here's something Democrats should stop doing. im glad the clintons arent bothering to keep up the charade as they slip into history and irrelevance
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Yinlock posted:maybe the primary salt rule is unnecessary, i thought It was only "necessary" in that it detracted from the glorious abuela in the Hillary thread. I have no loving idea why it's still a rule when posters like Fulchrum run basically wild
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:im glad the clintons arent bothering to keep up the charade as they slip into history and irrelevance I wish they'd hurry up with that last part you mentioned.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Man, it's almost as if she was badly hurt by taking sections of her own base for granted, and instead chasing after the unicorn of GOP moderate voters! in general lol if you didn't see clinton throwing black people under the bus as a captive voting base coming from a loving billion miles away
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Oh Snapple! posted:in general lol if you didn't see clinton throwing black people under the bus as a captive voting base coming from a loving billion miles away I never said I was surprised by it.
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Fiction posted:The DNC rigged the primary by clearing the path, leaving the obvious path of all the DNC staffers to go right to the coronated candidate. At least they also rigged they also did their best to clear the way for TRUMP! in the GOP primary.
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imo discussing the primary should not be against the rules since we desperately need to find out what went wrong in our primary system that a candidate like clinton wins when she can't even figure out that maybe she should visit states she wants to win in the general
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:It was only "necessary" in that it detracted from the glorious abuela in the Hillary thread. I have no loving idea why it's still a rule when posters like Fulchrum run basically wild *looks at last few pages of this thread* yeah it's a loving mystery
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greatn posted:Will Katy Perry be at that party? katy perry is singing fight song in liberal heaven now rip
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Condiv posted:imo discussing the primary should not be against the rules since we desperately need to find out what went wrong in our primary system that a candidate like clinton wins when she can't even figure out that maybe she should visit states she wants to win in the general  There's a lot about the the primary that fed into the GE and disallowing talk about it is silly
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i mean, you're wrong. hillary did not have the power to oust dws by herself, she needed the dnc. the dnc was going to fire dws, but she was threatening to make a scene about it and force a vote that would be embarrassing to the campaign. they got her to resign by giving her an honorary co-chairwoman job - a position that is often held by teachers, volunteers, political backers, celebrities, etc. dws, if you recall, even after all that - she said she'd step down after the DNC which was a real big problem. to illustrate further dws' character, obama wanted to get rid of her during the 2012 election, as the rumor goes, but she threatened to go to every jewish donor and say she was kicked out for being a jew. so she was always a difficult person who very badly wanted to keep that job until her term expired - there was an enormous effort behind the scenes to get her to gently caress off. hillary's campaign was not happy with dws because she was harmful. quote:yeah, i disapprove of her using the DNC to circumvent campaign finance laws during the primary when she hadn't won yet. again, this doesn't constitute "funneling money" to the clinton campaign since the clinton campaign fundraised it in the first place, but used the dnc and state party agreements to raise the maximum donation amount. the dnc was in favor of this because they were the biggest beneficiary of this arrangement, and hfa was in favor of it because most of that money would be directed to fund the gotv programs in battleground states. moreover, almost all (all?) money raised through a joint victory fund is general election money. the politico headline was always misleading, since the state parties were never expecting to hold onto that money and it would be atypical for them to be carrying large balances absent federal funding. utah might be happy to sign onto the agreement to help the overall party, since it doesn't actually involve any effort on their part and federal donors are not utah donors. as far as it "starving everyone else's campaign" you probably missed the part where the democratic down ballot outspent the gop across the board this year. they were not starved at all. quote:i haven't posted a single dictionary definition of rigging. you're the only one that's been running to a random dictionary definition when the plain meaning is fairly clear can you find a single instance of the word "rigged" being used in context of an election that did not specifically mean "stuffing ballots" or other such fraudulent behavior in the history of the english language? i mean, did we all forget the arguments that raged on this very forum, not to mention reddit and the rest of the internet, about brooklyn voters, or the arizona primary? did we forget tweets like this: https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/708789694117445632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw how about the nevada county convention nonsense? it's not like the idea that the primary was literally rigged (as opposed to being kind of unfair as some now claim that's what everyone meant all along) came out of nowhere.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:katy perry is singing fight song in liberal heaven now rip "liberal heaven" also known as HELL 
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Yinlock posted:*looks at last few pages of this thread* you getting owned isn't a reason to disallow it if anything, it's the exact opposite
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I think the problem with this stuff is if people are sticking by the 'problems in Bernie's campaign base didn't exist at all because the 'bernie bro' thing was overblown bullshit' view. Like, poo poo like #Mississippiberning trending for a bit was a thing that happened, 'corporate whore' was a hosed up thing, the whole 'DON'T VOTE WITH YOUR VAGINA' meme was patronizing as gently caress, the Nevada backlash regardless of how you feel about the primary itself was loving insane, not even going into the whole 'how can you say he had bad minority outreach he marched with MLK' kettle of fish. There are issues that you can argue he ignored while cultivating his base and they were valid issues to make people worry if that was going to be the 'face of socialism' or whatever and it feels like those all get swept off with the 'but bernie bros was fake ergo nothing bad happened' stuff. I don't know what that hashtag is, I can't believe you apparently think Steinem et al saying "any woman who votes for Bernie is a GENDER TRAITOR" is less patronizing than the backlash against it was, etc etc etc but my major point I'd like to address here is that I never said this blanket "there were no problems" statement you are going to such pains to rebut. I said "the media pushed the poo poo out of this loving trumped-up bullshit narrative and it hurt Bernie super bad". Which is demonstrably true. Of course the campaign had missteps. HRC's did too. Every campaign does.
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I mean I don't consider it salt to mention that hand to God, my girlfriend was a registered Democrat whose registration suddenly disappeared before the primary, in a county that went overwhelmingly for Sanders on the Dem side. PS I was called a liar when I shared that in the old thread. Yinlock posted:*looks at last few pages of this thread* Yeah it's a great thread otherwise lol
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I thought you can talk about the primary plenty, hence the last like five pages here, but 'primary salt' is poo poo like 'OH GEE TOO BAD YOU GUYS CONSPIRED TO KILL POOR BERNIE'S CHANCES WHEN HE WOULD HAVE WON FOR SURE' as if that means literally anything but 'I'm still v. mad about voting from nine months ago'.loquacius posted:I don't know what that hashtag is, I can't believe you apparently think Steinem et al saying "any woman who votes for Bernie is a GENDER TRAITOR" is less patronizing than the backlash against it was, etc etc etc when the gently caress did I say Steinem wasn't patronizing?
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Oh Snapple! posted:
except that for some mysterious reason nothing gets discussed except for how hillary rigged the primary against people's champion bernie sanders over and over and over and over and over again
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Tatum Girlparts posted:I thought you can talk about the primary plenty, hence the last like five pages here, but 'primary salt' is poo poo like 'OH GEE TOO BAD YOU GUYS CONSPIRED TO KILL POOR BERNIE'S CHANCES WHEN HE WOULD HAVE WON FOR SURE' as if that means literally anything but 'I'm still v. mad about voting from nine months ago'. pretty much frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:I mean I don't consider it salt to mention that hand to God, my girlfriend was a registered Democrat whose registration suddenly disappeared before the primary, in a county that went overwhelmingly for Sanders on the Dem side. well if it went overwhelming sanders sounds like someone didnt do their job right
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Yinlock posted:except that for some mysterious reason nothing gets discussed except for how hillary rigged the primary against people's champion bernie sanders Turns out its an important part of what went wrong, but no one should learn from prior experiences
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