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CodfishCartographer posted:Hey, CLAM DOWN posted:I have no problem with USB-C headphones, but I do have a problem with having to carry around a dongle if I want to charge and listen to headphones at the same time
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If anyone remembers the old Windows Mobile, HTC did all of this poo poo years ago with their Touch Pro and etc. USB headphones, splitter dongles to charge and listen at the same time. iPhones and Androids killed it (besides better spec and OS) by just including a reasonable headphone jack.
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The Merkinman posted:The only part Samsung took in So now I need a wireless charging base in my car? In the library? Nah dude, ain't gonna happen for a while. I can live with 2 wires hanging out of my phone, where I can still move it around. And if Android didn't suck at Bluetooth/battery drain, that may have been a valid solution (wireless headphones). TenaciousTomato fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Dec 6, 2016 20:25
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FogHelmut posted:If anyone remembers the old Windows Mobile, HTC did all of this poo poo years ago with their Touch Pro and etc. USB headphones, splitter dongles to charge and listen at the same time. iPhones and Androids killed it (besides better spec and OS) by just including a reasonable headphone jack. Not initially, actually. Go look at the HTC G1  I don't think I ever once listened to music on it, though the headphone dongle was not the main reason, of course.
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RVProfootballer posted:Not initially, actually. Go look at the HTC G1 Ooof, that original music player.
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The Slack Lagoon posted:Just use Bluetooth headphones?? I don't want to have to continually charge my headphones, or make sure they are charged before I go out, or be unable to leave a pair in a jacket pocket or backpack all the time, etc.
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I think removing the headphone jack is dumb, but to be honest, I've literally never charged any of my phones and
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The Slack Lagoon posted:Just use Bluetooth headphones?? Bluetooth headphones don't come anywhere close to the same sound quality as a good wired set at similar prices. As someone who listens to a poo poo ton of music to help deal with migraines, this matters a lot.
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Mogomra posted:I think removing the headphone jack is dumb, but to be honest, I've literally never charged any of my phones and I simultaneously stream music over LTE and charge my phone at the same time, mostly when I'm playing it through my car speakers. Even though I have a $12 Bluetooth adapter to turn my AUX port into a Bluetooth port, it's much simpler to hop in the car, plug both wires in, and drive away. Saves a lot of battery by not enabling Bluebooth, as well.
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Mogomra posted:I think removing the headphone jack is dumb, but to be honest, I've literally never charged any of my phones and I do this all the time when traveling which is semi regular for me. On a plane or train, for example, I'll listen to music and charge my phone so it's full before I arrive wherever. It would really suck to have to carry a dongle for this.
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Everyone remembers when the GBA SP took out the headphone jack, right? That was some poo poo. Also is there a dongle/hub that can charge a phone/tablet at the same time as acting as a hub?
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Is there anything cool to check out on Daydream that you couldn't do with cardboard?
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Any time you change a standard, there's bound to be some headaches, but the niceties it provides in making it easier to waterproof, being able to power noise cancelling headphones sans batteries, enable lower-latency digital audio, etc. will eventually make up for the period of headaches. I get why people dislike it, 'cause it'll force some people to change their habits for what may not be immediately apparent benefits, but it's ultimately a good thing. e: Ideally quick charging, wireless charging, and increased battery life will mitigate some of the negatives. I don't often use the headphone jack on my phone, but I know I could stream music over WiFi on my Pixel XL for a majority of my work day and still be fine, maybe needing a quick 15-20 minute charge if it's going to be a long night. sleepwalkers fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Stan Taylor posted:Is there anything cool to check out on Daydream that you couldn't do with cardboard? Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes.
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sleepwalkers posted:Any time you change a standard, there's bound to be some headaches, but the niceties it provides in making it easier to waterproof, being able to power noise cancelling headphones sans batteries, enable lower-latency digital audio, etc. will eventually make up for the period of headaches. I get why people dislike it, 'cause it'll force some people to change their habits for what may not be immediately apparent benefits, but it's ultimately a good thing. What the hell is your use case that this is a worthwhile trade-off for anything at all?
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Wonder how much more the lack of headphone jack will push people toward the Pixel.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:What the hell is your use case that this is a worthwhile trade-off for anything at all? ... Being courageous.
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Something something courage something something blogosphere user engagement; 2017phone is half a millimetre thinner than 2016phone, therefore management is eligible for the 'met written 'make phone thinner' objective' bonus; the dongles and house fires are somebody else's problem, I don't give a gently caress  ; gently caress you you're going to buy it anyway.
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so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.
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I'm fine with this company taking away a common, multi-platform standard for listening to their safe, won't-randomly-burst-into-flames mobile devices, because I can do so knowing that Android's track record with Bluetooth devices, and the necessity of another hungry battery to top-up, is nevertheless absolutely superior in every conceivable way to their wired counterparts that we have already.
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Motorola and Apple already got rid of it, now Samsung, my guess is the next Pixel won't have a headphone jack either. If I were to bet, I'd say LG is the most likely to release a phone next year with both a removable battery and a headphone jack for those that absolutely must have it.
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Any concerns with using google now launcher on op3t vs the op launcher? Also I hear op3/t will get nought soon, neat
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My used Nexus 6P I just bought has a serious speaker imbalance issue, where the top / left speaker does about 90% of the work and the bottom / right speaker barely mumbles anything out. Even if I put the right speaker up to my ear the left one still seems to completely overpower it. Looking online it seems like this is a somewhat common complaint but not as severe as I'm experiencing. Anyone know if it's possible / worth it to attempt any sort of RMA / warranty claims on a used, nearly year-old phone or if I should just send it back to the seller or I don't really even know what all my options are here! Edit: Also it seems like there are software solutions but they are somewhat hacky - lowering the top speaker to compensate would end up with just a whisper of output, while increasing the gain past defaults makes me concerned I might hurt something. Also half these things require rooting and dumping random files from XDA or whatever into dark corners of my phone and like taking a hacksaw to my SIM card, I really don't trust myself (or the method here) to not gently caress something up down the road. Stanley Goodspeed fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Stanley Goodspeed posted:My used Nexus 6P I just bought has a serious speaker imbalance issue, where the top / left speaker does about 90% of the work and the bottom / right speaker barely mumbles anything out. Even if I put the right speaker up to my ear the left one still seems to completely overpower it. Looking online it seems like this is a somewhat common complaint but not as severe as I'm experiencing. If it's under a year old, you could try contacting Google and see if they will cover it (if it was bought from there) or Huawei if Google won't help. As for the Software fixes, if you can get an RMA setup, might as well give them a try which would require Root, or Root + FlashFire app to flash a kernel or other audio controls to adjust the speaker gain and see if that somehow helps or not. However if it is just a bad speaker, then you either need an RMA, Return it to the guy, or get a heat gun and open it to replace it yourself. Really the hardest part about getting into this stupid phone is the stuck on covers, once you get past those its rather easy to access anything inside that could need replacing.
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Stan Taylor posted:Is there anything cool to check out on Daydream that you couldn't do with cardboard? You can use a remote. I wonder if Wii emulation could use it, now that I think about it.
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So I got 7.1.1 on my 6P (in Canada no less!). Not really seeing a difference thus far. Things are a little faster, but it might just be because of the reboot.
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Given the current state of USB C peripherals, I wouldn't trust a charger + headphone dongle to not send 3 amps through the headphones instead of to the battery.
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^You can use pretty much any other Android phone as a remote as well.Scaramouche posted:So I got 7.1.1 on my 6P (in Canada no less!). Not really seeing a difference thus far. Things are a little faster, but it might just be because of the reboot. They did some wizardry to improve touch input response as well so there are a few performance tweaks added even on top of 7.1.0. Also on a Nexus, check out the settings menu, you now have the Support tab at the top as well to contact Google directly which is helpful. That was originally a Pixel only feature. (making a 6P into a true Pixel XL clone however is easy a hell too, even getting the Unlimited Original Picture Upload deal).
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sleepwalkers posted:Hi, I'm not sure where I said I was talking about my use case specifically, but I'm gonna guess anyone involved in content creation would appreciate low-latency audio. Any improvement in battery capacity will come at the expense of much higher battery drain because of Bluetooth usage. You can also already get NC headphones with built in power packs so that's a pretty stupid argument as well.
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Desk Lamp posted:Motorola and Apple already got rid of it, now Samsung, my guess is the next Pixel won't have a headphone jack either. If I were to bet, I'd say LG is the most likely to release a phone next year with both a removable battery and a headphone jack for those that absolutely must have it. I hope that whoever releases the next flagship after this hypothetical headphone jackless G8 proudly advertises that it's the one with the headphone jack, from the people who don't make exploding phones. Samsung hasn't lost nearly enough business over their last debacle and deserves to get doubled down on.
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The headphone jack was a decent, license free, and open software way to interact with external hardware. Requiring hardware access via USB-C or a proprietary connection like lightening significantly increases the complexity in developing an external hardware add-on for low bandwidth use cases. I'm also looking forward to shorting out my headphones or phone due to USB-C standard fun.
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PerrineClostermann posted:Everyone remembers when the GBA SP took out the headphone jack, right? That was some poo poo. The SP's sound chip was categorically inferior to the SNES', and had a constant, just-audible hiss to it. Headphones would be the worst thing.
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sleepwalkers posted:Any time you change a standard, there's bound to be some headaches, but the niceties it provides in making it easier to waterproof, being able to power noise cancelling headphones sans batteries, enable lower-latency digital audio, etc. will eventually make up for the period of headaches. I get why people dislike it, 'cause it'll force some people to change their habits for what may not be immediately apparent benefits, but it's ultimately a good thing. What of that actually requires losing a headphone jack though? Phones have been water proofed with a headphone jack, and while maybe that made them a couple bucks more expensive, it isn't like Samsung would sell their S8 for 5 bucks less than the S7 because of it. Is the powering headphones because they'd draw power from the phone? Why not make those that plug into the USB-C anyway, whether there's a headphone jack or not? Similarly, if low latency audio is somehow better over USB than headphone jack, that's an option you have now already.
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lol, Samsung is doing it because Apple did it. It's that simple. There may be benefits and there may be drawbacks, but they did not factor into the decision.
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RVProfootballer posted:What of that actually requires losing a headphone jack though? Phones have been water proofed with a headphone jack, and while maybe that made them a couple bucks more expensive, it isn't like Samsung would sell their S8 for 5 bucks less than the S7 because of it. Is the powering headphones because they'd draw power from the phone? Why not make those that plug into the USB-C anyway, whether there's a headphone jack or not? Similarly, if low latency audio is somehow better over USB than headphone jack, that's an option you have now already. Re: headphones, there aren't many USB-C phones out in the wild, and vice versa, there likely weren't many (any?) Lightning headphones before the iPhone 7 ditched the headphone jack. People think of that port on the bottom of their phone as the charging one, not the peripheral one. Re: waterproofing, yeah, I'm just saying one less hole to waterproof means one less point of failure, means it's easier. The part where you can fit other hardware improvements, a larger battery, better speaker, etc. in that spot if you force users to move is what requires losing a headphone jack. grack posted:Any improvement in battery capacity will come at the expense of much higher battery drain because of Bluetooth usage. You can also already get NC headphones with built in power packs so that's a pretty stupid argument as well. Lack of headphone jack gives you the ability to accommodate a larger battery (the iPhone 7 has a ~14% higher capacity battery due in part to that). The point of using USB-C to power NC headphones is not needing a battery pack. Rough math suggests Bluetooth audio uses something like ~1% more battery an hour on an iPhone, so if that's a significant enough increase, that's fine. It's fine to be bothered by it, everyone has different use cases that they'd have to adjust if they didn't have a headphone jack anymore and that will cause headaches, I just think people are missing the simple quality-of-life stuff on the other side of that adjustment. RZA Encryption posted:lol, Samsung is doing it because Apple did it. It's that simple. There may be benefits and there may be drawbacks, but they did not factor into the decision. sleepwalkers fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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I would never buy a phone without a headphone jack. Not like I was in danger of buying an S8 anyway. I can't imagine you'd give up the jack if you liked music and had ever used a good pair of headphones. Bluetooth just doesn't cut it.
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RZA Encryption posted:lol, Samsung is doing it because Apple did it. It's that simple. There may be benefits and there may be drawbacks, but they did not factor into the decision. While this speaks volumes about how stupid Samsung is, it says a lot more about how dumb you'd have to be to buy a Samsung.
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Bluetooth headphones are fine to use to listen to music if you're not an rear end in a top hat. With that said i don't want the choice forced on me
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