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bloodychill
May 8, 2004

And if the world
should end tonight,
I had a crazy, classic life
Exciting Lemon

ImpAtom posted:

To be fair even then you get Aranea who joins your party for an entire dungeon and has one of the best boss fights in the game.

It's kinda sad that her development is so stunted because it's clear she has an arc it just amounts to "Well, you guys aren't lovely and the empire is so I guess I'm good now"

I guess to FFXV's credit there are no side characters I hate. Luna is probably the worst and that is because her screentime is absolutely rock bottom for such a theoretically important character.

She talked to the dogs for a few seconds! And there's a whole lot of talk about her.

Endorph posted:

please don't call a woman with a name 'tits mcgee,' that's kind of hosed up even if you dislike her design and personality

No. They designed a cheesecake scinemax video game character and I'm not treating her as more or less than that. If she was an actual person, it'd be disrespectful but she's not.

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Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
She's an enjoyable character though who does stuff? Are you like that petty about her outfit?

bloodychill
May 8, 2004

And if the world
should end tonight,
I had a crazy, classic life
Exciting Lemon

Captain Baal posted:

Also Dino and Cindy, put those two in a sequel too, they're insanely charming.

I had a long conversation with a friend about Dino. We agree that he's odd on a couple of levels. I like his VA a lot but it doesn't fit his visual design insomuch as he sounds a generation older than he looks. He also arguably gets more screen time than some characters who are actually important to the storyline.

Captain Baal posted:

She's an enjoyable character though who does stuff? Are you like that petty about her outfit?

And the way she's presented. They purposely have her dip her chest all the time and if you fill up gas in Hammerhead, she washes your car and gives you boob shots. It's cheesy.

bloodychill fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Dec 6, 2016

Selenephos
Jul 9, 2010

Final Fantasy XV-2, starring Iris, Cindy and a new character. They're J-Pop idols trying to search for lost treasure and defeat daemons and bring hope to the world in the aftermath of XV.

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


Speaking of new content, they actually released the first images of the first DLC, which will be an episode focusing on Ignis. Spoilers!

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

bloodychill posted:

No. They designed a cheesecake scinemax video game character and I'm not treating her as more or less than that. If she was an actual person, it'd be disrespectful but she's not.
That's gross, dude. Please stop. Like it makes me actually feel bad, as a woman.

and i mean i bend over seductively sometimes and my name doesn't change to tits mcgee

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Terper posted:

Speaking of new content, they actually released the first images of the first DLC, which will be an episode focusing on Ignis. Spoilers!

lol

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Terper posted:

Speaking of new content, they actually released the first images of the first DLC, which will be an episode focusing on Ignis. Spoilers!

I thought the image wasn't loading you bastard, ahahahaha

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

cindy is really helpful and thoughtful she has been tracking down all these car mods without even being asked. she just wants my car and my party to be the best they can be

more like dICK
Feb 15, 2010

This is inevitable.
Cindy sent me to the sewers to die :(

Shoren
Apr 6, 2011

victoria concordia crescit

more like dICK posted:

Cindy sent me to the sewers to die :(

That dungeon was wicked hard. I was slightly overleveled and had the weapons with holy elements and it was still hard. Especially the Naga sub-boss. It kept turning us all into toads and hit like a truck while barely taking damage. Explored the whole place and got the moogle charm so that was pretty cool. Also glad that the daemons don't respawn in there while you're exploring because it's a maze.

pichupal
Mar 23, 2013

Poochy ain't Stupid.
I might be.
I ran into the Naga yesterday and just gave up and hopped out. I'm building up EXP so I can stay in the expensive hotel, but once that's done I'm going to a campground, cooking the status resistance food and running back in to finish the job.

I've had enough trouble with status effects in the Camp battles (only time I've hated Prompto, although him singing the FF Victory Music to preempt his 1-hit k.o. attack is amazing sound design but seriously stop turning me into a frog).

Sam Sanskrit
Mar 18, 2007

pichupal posted:

I ran into the Naga yesterday and just gave up and hopped out. I'm building up EXP so I can stay in the expensive hotel, but once that's done I'm going to a campground, cooking the status resistance food and running back in to finish the job.

I've had enough trouble with status effects in the Camp battles (only time I've hated Prompto, although him singing the FF Victory Music to preempt his 1-hit k.o. attack is amazing sound design but seriously stop turning me into a frog).


You can buy a frog resist meal for like 80 gil at a bunch of the diners as well.

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!

Endorph posted:

That's gross, dude. Please stop. Like it makes me actually feel bad, as a woman.

and i mean i bend over seductively sometimes and my name doesn't change to tits mcgee

Doesn't help

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

does, actually

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

If someone says you're making them feel lovely then it's generally polite to stop it unless you're actively trying to be a dick.

Die Sexmonster!
Nov 30, 2005

ImpAtom posted:

If someone says you're making them feel lovely then it's generally polite to stop it unless you're actively trying to be a dick.

But what if I REALLY hate Cindy

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

i dont even care if someone dislikes cindy, the design is kinda dumb, i just don't get why people need to make broad sweeping statements about women and the people who designed her and animated her (some of which were women!) and try to get weak owns in that often just expose their own weird opinions about women, when they could just say 'i think this design is dumb.'

bloodychill
May 8, 2004

And if the world
should end tonight,
I had a crazy, classic life
Exciting Lemon

ImpAtom posted:

If someone says you're making them feel lovely then it's generally polite to stop it unless you're actively trying to be a dick.

I already said I was mocking a one-dimensional, overtly-sexualized porn-bait character in a video game. I'm not gonna stop because Endorph draws their line at mocking anime cheesecake.

Endorph posted:

i dont even care if someone dislikes cindy, the design is kinda dumb, i just don't get why people need to make broad sweeping statements about women and the people who designed her and animated her (some of which were women!) and try to get weak owns in that often just expose their own weird opinions about women, when they could just say 'i think this design is dumb.'

I don't even really hate her, I just find her design dumb and I found it even dumber when Tabata said he didn't get why westerners found her design to be silly.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!

bloodychill posted:

I already said I was mocking a one-dimensional, overtly-sexualized porn-bait character in a video game. I'm not gonna stop because Endorph draws their line at mocking anime cheesecake.


I don't even really hate her, I just find her design dumb and I found it even dumber when Tabata said he didn't get why westerners found her design to be silly.

Cool blatant misogyny, dude.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

for every one point of sexualization, they lose one point of charcaterization

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

*talking to a lady on the beach in a sexy bikini* hello, why do you only have two iq points

*lady wraps a towel around herself* ah, hello madam, would you like to debate philosophy

bloodychill
May 8, 2004

And if the world
should end tonight,
I had a crazy, classic life
Exciting Lemon

Endorph posted:

for every one point of sexualization, they lose one point of charcaterization

There's so little characterization that it's just the sexualization overwhelms. Don't pretend like there's any subtlety to the character. Like most of the side characters in the game, she's one-note. She's a southern sexpot who fixes the car.

Endorph posted:

*talking to a lady on the beach in a sexy bikini* hello, why do you only have two iq points

*lady wraps a towel around herself* ah, hello madam, would you like to debate philosophy

Talk about sweeping generalizations.

Panic! at Nabisco
Jun 6, 2007

it seemed like a good idea at the time
I mean calling her "tits mcgee" is weird but the point remains that the game is insanely male gazey about her, to an eye-rolling extent when you refill the car at Hammerhead and it gives you very blatant cleavage shots as she leeeeeeeeeans over the windshield. It's not a big issue or a ding against the game, just a weird design

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

bloodychill posted:

Talk about sweeping generalizations.
:ironicat:

Panic! at Nabisco posted:

I mean calling her "tits mcgee" is weird but the point remains that the game is insanely male gazey about her, to an eye-rolling extent when you refill the car at Hammerhead and it gives you very blatant cleavage shots as she leeeeeeeeeans over the windshield. It's not a big issue or a ding against the game, just a weird design

yeah, i have no issues with that criticism even if i disagree.

Sustentacular
Aug 27, 2011

Electric Phantasm posted:

Did the Roly Poly Cockatrices originate from 11 too? I love those guys.

This was from a few pages back, but the roly poly cockatrices in 12 borrowed their design and a lot of their animations from Rikku's Machina Maw in X-2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qZ8CUvhfy0

bloodychill
May 8, 2004

And if the world
should end tonight,
I had a crazy, classic life
Exciting Lemon
*points at the jizzed up dakimakura on the bed* Excuse me, she has a name.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

bloodychill posted:

*points at the jizzed up dakimakura on the bed* Excuse me, she has a name.
you spend a lot of time thinking about cumming on dakis, my dude.

bloodychill
May 8, 2004

And if the world
should end tonight,
I had a crazy, classic life
Exciting Lemon

Endorph posted:

you spend a lot of time thinking about cumming on dakis, my dude.

I own a PSVita, it comes with the territory.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

I think it's fair to say that character design is part of characterization and when you create a character design that clashes or overwhelms other parts of characterization ti actually does harm things. Cindy suffers pretty heavily from this because she comes so early in the game and the camera is basically in love with her rear end so even though her character is just 'excitably friendly mechanic" it leaves a weird lasting impression.

Aranea's design isn't particularly less cheesecake but it also doesn't really overwhelm the rest of her character.

Fun fact: Of one of your characters goes down, Aranea frigging slaps them across the face to wake them up, compared to the friendly bro-hugs. Aranea owns.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

I own one and I don't do that, so perhaps you're just a weirdo?

ImpAtom posted:

Aranea's design isn't particularly less cheesecake but it also doesn't really overwhelm the rest of her character.

Fun fact: Of one of your characters goes down, Aranea frigging slaps them across the face to wake them up, compared to the friendly bro-hugs. Aranea owns.

Aranea is really good, yeah. I really wished I could drag her around for post-game stuff.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Endorph posted:

Aranea is really good, yeah. I really wished I could drag her around for post-game stuff.

It's unlikely but I wonder if they could patch that in. I mean would it really hurt to let you swap in Aranea, Iris or Cor by that point? They've got fully functional combat models. You wouldn't get a ton of dialogue but eh.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

ImpAtom posted:

It's unlikely but I wonder if they could patch that in. I mean would it really hurt to let you swap in Aranea, Iris or Cor by that point? They've got fully functional combat models. You wouldn't get a ton of dialogue but eh.

I think they mentioned co-op arenas as a later patch addition? Maybe they could let you play as them in those at the very least.

bloodychill
May 8, 2004

And if the world
should end tonight,
I had a crazy, classic life
Exciting Lemon

Endorph posted:

I own one and I don't do that, so perhaps you're just a weirdo?

We all have our weird things like taking every opportunity to poo poo on Chronotrigger to get a rise out of people or getting huffy about turn based RPG's being objectively bad or consistently missing the point.

Vitamean
May 31, 2012

Has there been any news of future DLC being added to World of Final Fantasy? I know there's suppose to be some Kingdom Hearts thing eventually, but nothing since they added Omega God?

bloodychill
May 8, 2004

And if the world
should end tonight,
I had a crazy, classic life
Exciting Lemon

Moldy Taxes posted:

Has there been any news of future DLC being added to World of Final Fantasy? I know there's suppose to be some Kingdom Hearts thing eventually, but nothing since they added Omega God?

They still haven't fixed it on the PS4 Pro so I'm assuming any new stuff for WoFF isn't coming until after the holidays.

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.
There is a main character in this series whose sole character trait is "can talk to beavers".

Intel&Sebastian
Oct 20, 2002

colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!

Panic! at Nabisco posted:

It's not a big issue or a ding against the game

Yeah, we save that for people who point it out rudely, not the people who did it in the first place.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

bloodychill posted:

We all have our weird things like taking every opportunity to poo poo on Chronotrigger to get a rise out of people or getting huffy about turn based RPG's being objectively bad or consistently missing the point.

trails of cold steel is turn based and good, actually, so iunno who you're talking about here.

atelier escha and logy has good turn-based combat too

and i think valkyrie profile would count as turnbased?

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Grozz Nuy
Feb 21, 2008

Welcome to Moonside.

Wecomel to Soonmide.

Moonwel ot cosidme.

Mega64 posted:

There is a main character in this series whose sole character trait is "can talk to beavers".

II barely counts, let's be real

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