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HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

agreed that DBNull being it's own datatype is annoying as gently caress. lead to a bug for me just today in fact!

# ? Dec 6, 2016 21:37

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# ? May 24, 2024 19:39

Ciaphas: Nov 20, 2005; > BEWARE, COWARD

anyone used visual studio code in linux land with that c++ extension?

any good?

# ? Dec 6, 2016 21:47

Chalks: Sep 30, 2009

HoboMan posted:

agreed that DBNull being it's own datatype is annoying as gently caress. lead to a bug for me just today in fact!

I've seen it argued that when you're doing something like execute scalar it's relevant to know whether you got a null value or whether the scalar returned zero rows, but my god there has to be a better way.

# ? Dec 6, 2016 22:00

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

Ciaphas posted:

anyone used visual studio code in linux land with that c++ extension?

any good?

I haven't used it in linuxland but it's needs-suiting as a replacement for Watcom

# ? Dec 6, 2016 22:23

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

lol, today i get to fight with a ponderous build process where none of your web code will build unless you get this secret blob 'o binaries that isn't documented anywhere and lives outside of the svn system. wtf.

# ? Dec 6, 2016 23:13

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

apparently my blitter speed problem is because I'm drawing tiles on my screen by looping a really slow and inefficient C algorithm with all optimizations turned off when I should be doing it in handmade ASM instead

# ? Dec 6, 2016 23:51

redleader: Aug 18, 2005; Engage according to operational parameters

here's a whole lotta words by a proper sql server graybeard on options for implementing dynamic searches

# ? Dec 7, 2016 01:07

Finster Dexter: Oct 20, 2014; Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

redleader posted:

here's a whole lotta words by a proper sql server graybeard on options for implementing dynamic searches

Yeah, those are very good words... unfortunately I have to target MySql 5.1 and above like a pleb

e: been able to use a lot of these patterns, though.

Finster Dexter fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Dec 7, 2016

# ? Dec 7, 2016 01:22

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

lol, today i get to fight with a ponderous build process where none of your web code will build unless you get this secret blob 'o binaries that isn't documented anywhere and lives outside of the svn system. wtf.

you work in westworld?

# ? Dec 7, 2016 01:44

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

hobbesmaster posted:

you work in westworld?

one of our conference rooms is a saloon with a life size mannequin of a hooker, so maybe?

# ? Dec 7, 2016 03:16

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

c terrible programmer s: C doesn't have introspection, but I tried anyway. I wrote a system of "tag" macros that let me generate tables describing all the fields within some of my structs and then I built a JSON serialization system on top of that.

it's loving magical when it works but when it doesn't it's hell to debug

like today when i spent three hours trying to figure out why one bug revealed a second bug which crashed my application with a double free while unwinding a failed deserialization. turns out i hosed up while copy-pasting and listed the same field twice instead of listing two different fields that have extremely similar names. fml

# ? Dec 7, 2016 04:55

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

one of our conference rooms is a saloon with a life size mannequin of a hooker, so maybe?

what

# ? Dec 7, 2016 05:05

JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

why not something like capn proto for something like that?

# ? Dec 7, 2016 05:05

jony neuemonic: Nov 13, 2009

i just wrote a big fuckoff build and deploy script in psake and i genuinely don't know if it's better or worse than what i had before.

it runs tests and deploys to aws tho so, :effort:

# ? Dec 7, 2016 05:08

jony neuemonic: Nov 13, 2009

actually i'm really pumped about it and can't wait to get a better handle on powershell to clean up all the rookie mistakes. build automation is so fun.

# ? Dec 7, 2016 05:09

anthonypants: May 6, 2007; by Nyc_Tattoo; Dinosaur Gum

jony neuemonic posted:

actually i'm really pumped about it and can't wait to get a better handle on powershell to clean up all the rookie mistakes. build automation is so fun.

all automation is fun :hfive:

# ? Dec 7, 2016 05:14

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

fart simpson posted:

what

every conference room has a theme and the big ones where we host customers and do events have pretty detailed themes. theres a keep with a bigass dragon guarding a hoard of circuit boards, a space room with planets hanging from the ceiling, a hangar, and a bunch of other poo poo. its the kind of thing that visitors constantly ask you "isnt it so cool to work here?" and youre just like "i go to meetings, i dont notice the decorations". poo poo's a sales tool.

# ? Dec 7, 2016 05:25

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

also, i reiterate: does anyone want the chance to give feedback on my article before i publish it? im going to give my friend a chance to review and then up it goes.

# ? Dec 7, 2016 05:25

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

JawnV6 posted:

why not something like capn proto for something like that?

because gently caress you that's why

also because a js app has to communicate with the same endpoint as the aforementioned thing written in C

# ? Dec 7, 2016 05:40

Stringent: Dec 22, 2004; image text goes here

NihilCredo posted:

Well here's one from less than 48 hours ago:

We had a feature that was supposed to be active from StartDate to EndDate, but actually would end on the day before EndDate. Turns out a query was doing GETDATE() <= [EndDate] in its WHERE, thus taking the time of day into account and ending prematurely. I took my time to look for the right fix (because we have to technically support as old as MSSQL2005 where the DATE type doesn't even exist) and settled on some formula involving DATEDIFF. Tested it to make sure every edge case was covered, pushed it onto a few prod environments, everything's ok. Last Sunday it gets pushed to all prod environments, and a bunch of the really old ones break.

Turns out when those columns were originally added to the schema, somebody (who may or may not be currently paying my salary) half-assed the migration and left NULLs in the pre-existing rows instead of inserting default dates. This was like seven or eight years ago and I had no idea those columns had ever not existed - the current schema has had them as NOT NULL forever. But as it happens, GETDATE() <= NULL is perfectly legal and returns false, but DATEDIFF (NULL) throws and aborts the entire query.

So yeah, if I could know exactly with 100% certainty which columns can and can not be NULL, then I'd have no major issue with NULLs. But having to code against live production dbs that have gone through all sorts of grubby hands over the years, safely dealing with NULLs requires me to wrap literally every single column name in ISNULL() boilerplate, and it's always the one time I don't that I get bit in the rear end.

Boilerplate is good. Embrace the boilerplate.

# ? Dec 7, 2016 05:52

Jabor: Jul 16, 2010; #1 Loser at SpaceChem

Sapozhnik posted:

because gently caress you that's why

also because a js app has to communicate with the same endpoint as the aforementioned thing written in C

protocol buffers are explicitly designed for communicating between applications written in different programming languages

# ? Dec 7, 2016 06:06

Corla Plankun: May 8, 2007; improve the lives of everyone

Stringent posted:

Boilerplate is good. Embrace the boilerplate.

yeah, the nulls you've got now would still be essentially nulls, they would just be a majic date or something so they would be even harder to find and cause even weirder behavior

# ? Dec 7, 2016 07:04

FamDav: Mar 29, 2008

jony neuemonic posted:

i just wrote a big fuckoff build and deploy script in psake and i genuinely don't know if it's better or worse than what i had before.

it runs tests and deploys to aws tho so,

whatcha deploying to

# ? Dec 7, 2016 07:56

hackbunny: Jul 22, 2007; I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

also, i reiterate: does anyone want the chance to give feedback on my article before i publish it? im going to give my friend a chance to review and then up it goes.

I'm curious but I don't know if I could give any meaningful feedback

# ? Dec 7, 2016 10:41

vodkat: Jun 30, 2012; cannot legally be sold as vodka

hackbunny posted:

I'm curious but I don't know if I could give any meaningful feedback

# ? Dec 7, 2016 13:17

MononcQc: May 29, 2007

hackbunny posted:

I'm curious but I don't know if I could give any meaningful feedback

# ? Dec 7, 2016 13:45

PierreTheMime: Dec 9, 2004; Hero of hormagaunts everywhere!; Buglord

anthonypants posted:

all automation is fun

speaking of, does anyone have an experience with current CA enterprise automation products? we're currently working in a different product that just got bought up and id like some opinions of how good/bad it is

we're still locked into our current toolset, but if CA sunsets it we'll probably have to dehumanize and face

# ? Dec 7, 2016 15:07

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

hackbunny posted:

I'm curious but I don't know if I could give any meaningful feedback

Well, since everyone said mostly the same thing I will leave you in suspense until it's published [/donald]

# ? Dec 7, 2016 16:08

kitten emergency: Jan 13, 2008; get meow this wack-ass crystal prison

jony neuemonic posted:

i just wrote a big fuckoff build and deploy script in psake and i genuinely don't know if it's better or worse than what i had before.

it runs tests and deploys to aws tho so,

what's psake

also powershell loving sucks for big fuckoff scripts, ask me about janitoring our 20k loc ps script nightmare "build and deployment" scripts that we're desperately trying to get out from under

# ? Dec 7, 2016 16:34

jony neuemonic: Nov 13, 2009

FamDav posted:

whatcha deploying to

elastic beanstalk, keeping it simple.

uncurable mlady posted:

what's psake

also powershell loving sucks for big fuckoff scripts, ask me about janitoring our 20k loc ps script nightmare "build and deployment" scripts that we're desperately trying to get out from under

it's a make/rake-style thing for powershell. they have not great documentation but it hasn't been too hard to just dive in.

thankfully in my case "big fuckoff script" means like 90 lines, and most of them just wrapping the .net core cli. i'm sweating just thinking about 20k lines of powershell.

# ? Dec 7, 2016 17:24

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

powers hell, hail satan

# ? Dec 7, 2016 19:20

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

i dislike readthedocs docs

# ? Dec 7, 2016 19:22

Finster Dexter: Oct 20, 2014; Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Bloody posted:

i dislike readthedocs docs

# ? Dec 7, 2016 19:26

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

Finster Dexter posted:

# ? Dec 7, 2016 19:29

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

that's a good "same" smiley, kudos to whoever made and bought it

# ? Dec 7, 2016 19:31

FamDav: Mar 29, 2008

jony neuemonic posted:

elastic beanstalk, keeping it simple.

oh kk I was worried you were building in your deployment orchestration into a script.

there lies madness and money lost

# ? Dec 7, 2016 19:31

anthonypants: May 6, 2007; by Nyc_Tattoo; Dinosaur Gum

Bloody posted:

i dislike readthedocs docs

all the ones i've seen up until now have been good, but lmao that page is just a list of loving questions like an faq, and each answer is on its own page. "how do i use it" is number seven how stupid are these people. are these the chocolatey people.

# ? Dec 7, 2016 19:33

jony neuemonic: Nov 13, 2009

FamDav posted:

oh kk I was worried you were building in your deployment orchestration into a script.

there lies madness and money lost

ohhh nah. appveyor has the deployment tool on their build vms so i'm just using that and a bit of scripting to get things onto beanstalk until they have better support for it as a deployment target.

# ? Dec 7, 2016 20:23

MononcQc: May 29, 2007

cjs: currently mad at customers who feel they can demand the same performance they'd get in a datacenter when dealing with a PaaS built on top of AWS.

# ? Dec 7, 2016 21:16

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# ? May 24, 2024 19:39

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

Sapozhnik posted:

gently caress this poo poo so very hard

here, have this ansible playbook snippet:

YAML code:

  tasks:
    - yum: name=epel-release state=latest

    - yum: name=python34 state=latest

    - get_url:
        url=https://bootstrap.pypa.io/get-pip.py
        dest=/tmp/get-pip.py

    - command: /usr/bin/python3.4 /tmp/get-pip.py

    # needed for psycopg2 iirc
    - yum: name=gcc state=latest

    - yum: name=python34-devel state=latest

    - yum: name=postgresql-devel state=latest

it works on centos, I use it almost everyday

# ? Dec 7, 2016 21:52

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