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JB50 posted:I live in MN and only have one set of tires. BTW studded tires and chains are both illegal here. I have no idea what the weather is like in MN but have you considered the law might be bad?
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Jerry Cotton posted:I have no idea what the weather is like in MN but have you considered the law might be bad? Studded tires and chains destroy roads in a hurry. Winter is hard enough on them.
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Jerry Cotton posted:OK the first point I didn't even think about because everyone who lives in a place where Winter tyres are necessary does have two sets of wheels. To the other points: you're just slow and useless. The only specialty tool you need in addition to any jack is a cross wrench, and a length of pipe in case some of the bolts are rusted or too tight. Maybe add five minutes for wheezing and cursing if you're really fat. Well lah dee dah look at mister not-morbidly-obese hotshot over here!
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Deteriorata posted:Studded tires and chains destroy roads in a hurry. Winter is hard enough on them. It's a question of whether you value roads more than human life. The main difference between the two is that roads can be repaired. Bubblyblubber posted:Well lah dee dah look at mister not-morbidly-obese hotshot over here! Changing tyres twice a year keeps me loving ripped!
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Jerry Cotton posted:It's a question of whether you value roads more than human life. The main difference between the two is that roads can be repaired. Constant traffic tie ups with continual road work costs lives, too. It ain't free, either, and they can do better things with the money. People not driving like maniacs in the snow obviates much of the need for studded tires. Chains, legal or not, are a useful thing to have in the trunk if you're forced to drive in areas of heavy snow. They're fairly easy to get on and off.
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EVERY WINTER I GO OUT OPEN PALM SLAM SOME WHEELS ONTO MY CAR.
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On a related note, is AWD as much of a scam as all season tires?
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Dec 6, 2016 22:32
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dragon enthusiast posted:On a related note, is AWD as much of a scam as all season tires? AWD is great when you're starting uphill from a standstill on ice or snow. It's also great for getting you into situations you can't get out of that you couldn't have gotten into without AWD. (It's not a scam if it's done right. You just don't really notice it if you can drive.)
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Jerry Cotton posted:I have no idea what the weather is like in MN but have you considered the law might be bad? Its basically one of the coldest states in the US and we get a fair amount of snowfall. Luckily its also a pretty flat area so hills are not a huge problem.
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Jerry Cotton posted:OK the first point I didn't even think about because everyone who lives in a place where Winter tyres are necessary does have two sets of wheels. To the other points: you're just slow and useless. The only specialty tool you need in addition to any jack is a cross wrench, and a length of pipe in case some of the bolts are rusted or too tight. Maybe add five minutes for wheezing and cursing if you're really fat. I've lived in northern NY (as in Adirondacks) or New England my whole life, and have known maybe half a dozen people who have a separate set of wheels and not just tires. And if you want to come change my wheels on a snowy street because I live in an apartment with no driveway or garage to park in*, with cars whizzing by you in the dark who can't see you, spraying snow and slush and almost hitting you, be my guest. Clearly my meaningless anecdotes beat your meaningless anecdotes.  *Actually I live in a nice house with driveway and garage, but I used to live in a tiny apartment with no parking, like lots of people do.
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DrBouvenstein posted:I've lived in northern NY (as in Adirondacks) or New England my whole life, and have known maybe half a dozen people who have a separate set of wheels and not just tires.
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dragon enthusiast posted:On a related note, is AWD as much of a scam as all season tires? AWD combined with a manual transmission (i.e. Subaru), and proper tires, is an absolute delight to drive in heavy snow. I routinely play with our Subaru Forester in foot deep, unplowed snows trying to get it to fishtail. It just won't. Period. I have a Chevy Astro AWD that pulls through the snow with no hesitation at all. I usually end up pulling 3 or 4 neighbors up our normally unplowed hill with it every Winter. Now, put both cars on ice, and I don't care how many pulling wheels you have, or how great your tires, you're gonna slide.
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dragon enthusiast posted:On a related note, is AWD as much of a scam as all season tires? All Wheel... DIE!
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Decrepus posted:All Wheel... DIE! TIRE PARADOX
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I'm in Canada and I didn't even know winter tires were a thing until recently  I drove in the snow for the first time in my life today in my little honda fit with all-season tires. It was fun. If you jam the breaks on you kinda slide in what ever direction you were going and a light comes on on your dash. It took me all of 5 seconds to figure out power = control and to maybe go a bit slower and take corners easier due to the ice on everything. I saw lots of people going full speed and skidding into other lanes, and people laying on the horn when people weren't accelerating or driving as aggressively as they would in the middle of summer.
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Baronjutter posted:I'm in Canada and I didn't even know winter tires were a thing until recently I'm a bit surprised that happens in Canada... that poo poo happens here in Chicago, but I figured you guys live in snow like 50% of the year so people would not be as stupid, but I guess stupid really does know no bounds.
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JB50 posted:I live in MN and only have one set of tires. BTW studded tires and chains are both illegal here. Same. Just a nice set of Michelin Primacy all weathers and I do just fine, MN does a fantastic* job of keeping the roads clear. *does not apply to St Paul
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MF_James posted:I'm a bit surprised that happens in Canada... that poo poo happens here in Chicago, but I figured you guys live in snow like 50% of the year so people would not be as stupid, but I guess stupid really does know no bounds. If memory serves, he lives in southern BC, which is easily the least wintery part of Canada.
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Hollow Talk posted:As far as I know, winter tires do not just help with snow, but they use a different rubber mixture and tire profile, which means they perform better in colder temperatures, so even if you do not get any snow, they would probably still be a sensible investment if it gets cold at all where people live and drive. It probably doesn't help that many people call them "snow tires" rather than simply winter tires. After all, why would I need snow tires if it never snows?! We call them Winter tires here in Quebec and... well, you saw the video.
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Deteriorata posted:Installing/repairing guardrails will often require resetting posts, possibly digging new holes, and other processes that need fairly heavy equipment in often precarious positions. Consequently, it's often not an operation that can be done quickly or cheaply. It has to be planned, evaluated, signed off on by 15 different agencies, and finally budgeted for and scheduled. Also there's the issue of funding. Anything more than 2 guys in a pickup truck will need allocation of taxpayer funds and we are never ever allowed to increase taxes unless you are from communist poo poo hole like California.
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'nother Minnesotan chiming in to say that a decent pair of non-studded winter tires is awesome (though we have competent plow infrastructure, for the most part). Oddly, my friends don't believe in swapping from all-seasons and are apparently incapable of grasping the concept of the material being designed for different temperatures. Makes for funtimes approaching snowy turns at speeds I know I can take without a sweat, but they freak out because all they've ever driven is all-seasons. My last pair of winter tires aged out last winter, though, and I haven't picked up any new ones. Will see how my new all-seasons fare before I invest in new winters. (protip to Minnesotans who aren't already aware: get in the
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dragon enthusiast posted:On a related note, is AWD as much of a scam as all season tires? Not all AWD systems are equal. Some are awesome. Some are shite and can't even manage a tiny slope. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQPNH4XRbWA https://youtu.be/wX1VezHjzQ0?t=57 Ak Gara fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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AWD is really nice for getting the car moving but does not help as much with turning and stopping. Also, with the wrong tires it's completely useless. I had to move my subaru for snow plows, still had my high performance summer tires on, and it was difficult to go down the block, turn around, and then make it up a slight incline to the driveway. First and last time I drove in snow with those.
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CannonFodder posted:Also there's the issue of funding. Anything more than 2 guys in a pickup truck will need allocation of taxpayer funds and we are never ever allowed to increase taxes unless you are from communist poo poo hole like California. lol being able to pass taxes is a relatively new status in California since you need a supermajority to do anything. the democrats just got the supermajority back after losing it due to an assembly member being arrested for international arms deals
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OSHA: I Know More About Snow Tires Than You
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Ak Gara posted:Not all AWD systems are equal. Some are awesome. Some are shite and can't even manage a tiny slope. I played a lot of Spintires and they should just lock their differential, easy.
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RabbitWizard posted:I played a lot of Spintires and they should just lock their differential, easy. You mean like this? 
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Phanatic posted:You mean like this?  Uhhhhhhh, i guess that works....
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MF_James posted:I'm a bit surprised that happens in Canada... that poo poo happens here in Chicago, but I figured you guys live in snow like 50% of the year so people would not be as stupid, but I guess stupid really does know no bounds. We get overconfident instead
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RabbitWizard posted:I played a lot of Spintires and they should just lock their differential, easy. That game needs a snow and ice DLC so me and my fellow swamp dwellers can learn how to drive on it without killing someone.
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jamal posted:AWD is really nice for getting the car moving but does not help as much with turning and stopping. Also, with the wrong tires it's completely useless. I had to move my subaru for snow plows, still had my high performance summer tires on, and it was difficult to go down the block, turn around, and then make it up a slight incline to the driveway. First and last time I drove in snow with those. Hell AWD with crap tires can actually be worse cause you'll also be spinning the tires that steer the car as well as the back ones
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RabbitWizard posted:
it's common for DORITOFU cars
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When my father got his first 4WD, he would cackle and dare it to snow. The entire time he owned it, it never snowed but we had 4 or 5 ice storms. The year after he finally got rid of it, we had two feet.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Can anyone explain these signs? Ask the American Society of Civil Engineers about how no one in the US is fixing its failing infrastructure. 
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Booourns posted:Hell AWD with crap tires can actually be worse cause you'll also be spinning the tires that steer the car as well as the back ones Lol, rear wheel drive in snow. Good luck even getting out of your driveway. But yeah, let's stop talking about snow tires.  Guy at a NBA game last week. He was on the "this isn't a loving step" step for like 10 mins before someone came and looked to be yelling at him.
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Clayton Bigsby posted:AWD or not, you're still braking with the same 4 wheels. I probably should have mentioned I live in florida where if I was careful with my night time driving, I could run summer tires year round without issue. 
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Cop Porn Popper posted:I probably should have mentioned I live in florida where if I was careful with my night time driving, I could run summer tires year round without issue. If you live in Florida there is absolutely no reason to have a second set of tires.
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VectorSigma posted:it's common for DORITOFU cars Tofu tax and idiot tax.
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