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Concerned Citizen posted:You know, I've been pretty critical of the HFA field program but I have nothing but respect for people who spent months of their lives - at extemely insufficient pay - organizing for a Democratic candidate. What did you do? Spending three months working on the campaign of the person who lost to Donald J Trump is still pretty funny, my friend, even if it's more of a "pour me another glass of whisky" laugh.
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purge them all no loving establishment dems anymore they cannot be trusted with anything, they are mentally deficient yuppies who don't understand anything other than hamilton
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DNC should just disband and make way for the Social Democratic Party
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Dec 7, 2016 04:09
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:DNC should just disband and make way for the Social Democratic Party
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Gizmoduck_5000 posted:Yeah me too, if we even get to vote at all in the future. GOP will 100% spend the next 4-8 years trying to ratfuck the election process as much as possible, and the dems will just turn around and present their asses with a whimpered apology like they always do when a republican raises their voice, because they are a bunch of spineless, incompetent cowards. They ceded every inch of ground they had in order to make the oval office their alamo, and did nothing to stop a right wing coup of congress and state governments. Frankly if the deomcrats only put forward neolibs, the Democratic party will go the way of the whigs. But I doubt its as dark as you think. BLM continues, fight for 15 continues. The fight agaisnt Charter schools has gained steam, I know people who were against the pipeline who are trump supporters. The way forward is open to us we only have to act to make it happen. At the moment I say take over the democratic party and then begin to work locally. and in state elections turn the democratic party into a socialist aprty with some neocon ideas when it comes to Europe and China and make America truley great. never give up on the financial elite tearing the world apart and promise utopia. Anime Schoolgirl posted:DNC should just disband and make way for the Social Democratic Party If the Dems go the way of the whigs we're headed towards 1861. Whatever would replace the dems would see someone like Sanders as a founder so at its center. It will be radical enough to threaten Americas entire political orientation. Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 04:16 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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Grats MIGF on your new job in the Trump administration. https://twitter.com/MichaelCBender/status/806332145941835776
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Uncle Wemus posted:Where are the people who defended pelosi  about her but then she said this
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Crowsbeak posted:Frankly if the deomcrats only put forward neolibs, the Democratic party will go the way of the whigs. But I doubt its as dark as you think. BLM continues, fight for 15 continues. The fight agaisnt Charter schools has gained steam, I know people who were against the pipeline who are trump supporters. The way forward is open to us we only have to act to make it happen. At the moment I say take over the democratic party and then begin to work locally. and in state elections turn the democratic party into a socialist aprty with some neocon ideas when it comes to Europe and China and make America truley great. never give up on the financial elite tearing the world apart and promise utopia. I agree with this, except that we have to start on the local level and then take over the party. Top-down change would not be good for us. If we want real shift in policy and performance, it has to be the people on the ground who come knocking at the door of the establishment.
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Dec 7, 2016 04:17
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Public relations are......... not Nancy Pelosi's strength.
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Serf posted:I agree with this, except that we have to start on the local level and then take over the party. Top-down change would not be good for us. If we want real shift in policy and performance, it has to be the people on the ground who come knocking at the door of the establishment. Oh we need to fight the real ground battle, purge school districts of charter school supporters and theocrats, destroy ALEC in local elections, hell in state elections accuse any member of ALEC in the GOP as being a slave of the FINANCIAL ELITE to get them forced out. Work to get attorney generals and secretary of states so we can begin to investigate and destroy our enemies. Force counties to hold elections when all other elections are held. We should aim for the presidincy but only on our terms. We want a democratic Reagan and we want our Reagan to be with a congress so that we can then work to eliminate the GOP entirely. Stack the courts and use the AG's office to put as many as possible behind bars for corruption.R eform HUAC and make any professor or member of CATO who attacks democracy as a concept have to answer why they live in our great country. Creating utopia requires that you use your enemies bones to build the foundation.
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GlyphGryph posted:Spending three months working on the campaign of the person who lost to Donald J Trump is still pretty funny, my friend, even if it's more of a "pour me another glass of whisky" laugh. I guess there's a pretty big difference between laughing with and laughing at. But you know, it's the toughest job in politics, and it frequently goes unappreciated. It's also incredibly vital. So I'll never miss an opportunity to buy a beer for a FO, no matter how lovely the race.
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Joementum posted:Public relations are......... not Nancy Pelosi's strength. Yeah. Actually, since the Democrats are now pretty much powerless, esp. in the House, PR does seem like the only thing she'll be doing, right? Maybe I was too hasty in supporting her...
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As much as I want to knee-jerk this and say "omg how can you be that delusional after such an embarrassing loss, are you kidding?" I almost want to say I "somewhat" get this view that you don't need this radical shift in the party if Trump is disastrously bad during his presidency (and all signs point that being the case) which just makes it so much easier for a Democrat to win. Then again we already know the story. If poo poo gets bad, Obama and Democrats get blame for the gridlock in Washington that caused it and they'll start a war to distract from how awful their domestic policies are. Honestly Democrats need to stop the blaming and finding whatever scapegoat and begin a serious self-criticism. Democrats got the reality check they needed, now do something worthwhile with it. Otherwise we will continue to suffer under shithead Republicans for God knows how long. The more interesting question to consider is demographically I can't imagine the Republicans holding much clout in 10 years. Once the baby boomers are dead, really what future does the GOP have?
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/12/06/the-inaccuracies-in-donald-trumps-air-force-one-tweet/?utm_term=.1df33e297fae They should do Sawant's plan and nationalize Boeing turning and it into a cooperative. punk rebel ecks has issued a correction as of 04:38 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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Confounding Factor posted:The more interesting question to consider is demographically I can't imagine the Republicans holding much clout in 10 years. Once the baby boomers are dead, really what future does the GOP have? Life is not and will not be getting better for huge swathes of the non-Boomer population. These people are going to seek solutions, and if the Democrats aren't willing to offer them then they will turn to the Republicans, no matter how lovely the Republican solutions actually are, as the only alternative. The Democrats (as ever) seem utterly committed to destroying their own future, and that has been where the GOP thrives for quite a while.
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Confounding Factor posted:Once the baby boomers are dead, really what future does the GOP have? in short, a really white  future, really
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Confounding Factor posted:The more interesting question to consider is demographically I can't imagine the Republicans holding much clout in 10 years. Once the baby boomers are dead, really what future does the GOP have? demographics are not destiny just look at the rising popularity of fascism among young people
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Demographics is destiny continues to work out well for the Dems.
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Serf posted:demographics are not destiny They can post selfies wearing their new
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punk rebel ecks posted:They should do Sawant's plan and nationalize Boeing turning and it into a cooperative. You know Sawant should tweet that at Trump tell him it would properly PUNISH BOEING. Just to see if Trump would retweet. GlyphGryph posted:Life is not and will not be getting better for huge swathes of the non-Boomer population. These people are going to seek solutions, and if the Democrats aren't willing to offer them then they will turn to the Republicans, no matter how lovely the Republican solutions actually are, as the only alternative. I would wonder if the Democrats go full neoliberal if that would actually lead to a Ripon like event. One party states in on dictatorships only last as long as no one is offering a better deal and propaganda really only does so much. The GOP would almost certainly deregulate the economy and slash the social safety net while the world is heading towards another depression. if the Democrats are not there another party will come out. Sanders and company will stay with the Dems only as long as they consider the Dems worthwhile if Sanders believed he had a better chance at a new movement he would create something new. of course if that happened. I would fear for this country as I could see us headed towards a 1861 as the last time a major party died in this country the radical republicans were considered by parts of this country unacceptable enough to start the civil war. Also anyone who thinks Fascism is popular among st millennials I don't know who you know. Of all the people I knew in high school who never went to college and those who did, along with those people who I go to college with I know three who have alt right sensibilities. Alot are or have dated people who are not anywhere close to their skin color, alot like to engage in some extreme amount of virtue signaling. Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 04:50 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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Demographics is destiny is completely true. Just look at how Arabs, Asians, and Cubans predominately still vote Republican as they did twenty years ago. Or how the Irish are notoriously Democrat. Serf posted:demographics are not destiny Especially in Europe. Weren't the European youth once predominately left wing not too long ago?
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GlyphGryph posted:Yeah. Her primary job now is to hold the House Democrats in line and force Ryan to cave to their demands when he can't get the crazy people in his caucus to agree that the federal government to exist. Her media appearances and (even worse) floor speeches have always been bad. I think what she was trying to say there is that the Democrats are already the party of working people, so they don't need to change those policies, like expanding healthcare, raising the minimum wage, etc., but she often has trouble phrasing her thoughts, even in prepared text.
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Serf posted:doesn't matter whether the Dems are spineless cowards or not, I'm still gonna vote for 'em because haha what the gently caress else am I gonna do Seize the means of democracy through co-opting your local party. Though this will require a few hundred geographically disperse committed people to show up for about two years and organize on the local level and... meh nm this is too hard. Just post.
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I still hold to my prediction that eventually the white working class, minority working class, and youth will unite in one party as an anti-trade, anti-technocratic, and pro-wealth redistribution, while the neoliberal elites in highly dense areas get pushed to the Republican party and join their conservative counterparts.
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Powercrazy posted:Seize the means of democracy through co-opting your local party. Though this will require a few hundred geographically disperse committed people to show up for about two years and organize on the local level and... meh nm this is too hard. Thats what I'm starting doing. Of course it also means fighting with MIGF. punk rebel ecks posted:I still hold to my prediction that eventually the white working class, minority working class, and youth will unite in one party as an anti-trade, anti-technocratic, and pro-wealth redistribution, while the neoliberal elites in highly dense areas get pushed to the Republican party and join their conservative counterparts. Needs to be organized. Join DSA and start working on the local level.
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UHD posted:isn't that pelosi link the same thing this thread was crowing about days ago Yes.
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Powercrazy posted:Seize the means of democracy through co-opting your local party. Though this will require a few hundred geographically disperse committed people to show up for about two years and organize on the local level and... meh nm this is too hard.
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punk rebel ecks posted:I still hold to my prediction that eventually the white working class, minority working class, and youth will unite in one party as an anti-trade, anti-technocratic, and pro-wealth redistribution, while the neoliberal elites in highly dense areas get pushed to the Republican party and join their conservative counterparts. so everyone who doesn't have money vs everyone who has money?
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 last i checked, there were an awful lot of hellraisers to come out of appalachia who did some powerful stuff for the poor and downtrodden. just sayin'
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Powercrazy posted:Seize the means of democracy through co-opting your local party. Though this will require a few hundred geographically disperse committed people to show up for about two years and organize on the local level and... meh nm this is too hard. Heading to a meeting this week my dude. Imma just post while at the same time doing my best to get poo poo done on a local level.
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Crowsbeak posted:Thats what I'm starting doing. Of course it also means fighting with MIGF. Me too. I'm at the end of an after meeting mixer for new kings democrats. E: glad to see a few interested people itt. The hardest thing will be the amount of time verse progress imo. City council elections are in 10 months, county in 22 months. Nkd have over 100% more attendance right now then October, but what about in 6 months? ate shit on live tv has issued a correction as of 05:00 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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I think one thing the Democrats should do is stop cosponsoring bills that seem to have killing young people as their primary purpose for existing. See: The RAVE Act, which made it illegal for venues to offer services and tools that would allow patrons to learn what is actually in the drugs they are taking, or to have services available to help those who OD.
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Powercrazy posted:Me too. I'm at the end of an after meeting mixer for new kings democrats. BTW I do mean actually MIGF, me and him are only like a mile apart.
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Powercrazy posted:Me too. I'm at the end of an after meeting mixer for new kings democrats. There's gonna be fade off. We need to do our best to keep building enthusiasm and not just waiting for people to come to us, but actively engaging in outreach.
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:Demographics is destiny continues to work out well for the Dems. Dems did a great job of making it real. Unfortunately, the collective swing state electorate is like 80%+ white. Oops!
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