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I'm so glad we got to see Wally having fun just being the Flash this episode! I don't hate melodrama as much as some people here do -- I think the Cisco stuff is quite good honestly -- but Wally being sidelined by everyone was incredibly annoying, and he was super cute tonight. I do worry about his longevity, because I can see there being more weirdness in the future about there being two good speedsters in the world, but let's hope the writers aren't dumb enough that they can't figure that out.
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DoctorWhat posted:Wally isn't gonna fall. If Wally OR Iris dies, I quit. Arrow is better than Wally.
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Dec 7, 2016 09:06
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Can Savitar only do poo poo when the box is open? Seal it in concrete, drop it into the ocean. Or throw it into space.
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Dec 7, 2016 13:39
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Xealot posted:Can Savitar only do poo poo when the box is open? Seal it in concrete, drop it into the ocean. Or throw it into space. Too easy, speedforce it bro
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Dec 7, 2016 13:43
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Here is what to do. Take Felicity off of Arrow and put her on this show as love interest and Cisco. She won't have the same problems here since Barry doesn't have any secrets to keep from her. Bring over Lance as well, who now gains super speed and thus can't get drunk. Reverse Alchemy Black Siren to make her Laurel, send her back to Arrow. Send Cisco to Arrow to be the new Felicity where he's cool cause Arrow never killed his brother. Cisco I'd Laurels love interest. Send Iris to be Oliver's new love interest. Send Joe to legends of tomorrow so he's not around to be overprotective everything and everyone. They make use of his time intuition. Bring Jax back to Flash to be Caitlin's love interest, make the other half of firestorm Lance. Forget what I said about Lance getting super speed earlier. Professor Stein becomes the Sandman. Ok, shows fixed. greatn fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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Dec 7, 2016 14:06
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Felicity is fine now, Barry can keep his broken Cisco.
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Dec 7, 2016 14:31
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I'm just not sold on the wisdom of throwing a speed god directly into the speedforce.
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My bet: Betrayer: H.R. (it's interesting to note Savitar referred to him as "fake Wells" so something is up there.) Fall: Cisco or Caitlin ("fall" doesn't necessarily mean death, it could be a fall from grace) Fate worse than death: Barry DoctorWhat posted:If they bring Laurel back I'll watch, my guy, but I'm sick of lady-type characters getting killed for shock value and I'm SUPER DUPER ULTRA SICK of people HOPING for love interests they find "annoying" to get killed off.
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Dec 7, 2016 16:09
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They really needed someone reacting to Wells being called fake. Even if they brush it off as him saying that because this isn't Earth 2 Wells or something, the characters should acknowledge it or they look like idiots.
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Dec 7, 2016 16:13
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Aphrodite posted:They really needed someone reacting to Wells being called fake. ehhhhhhhhh I feel like the whole reveal there was that he knew the team and their dynamic, so calling out that it wasn't the "real" Harrison Wells was more about saying "I've got your number and know you imported this guy from an alternate dimension" than it was saying "hey there's something up with this guy wink wink". It was like "you guys literally have no secrets from me, to the extent that I know your futures mother fuckers" Also I think HR is way too obvious for betrayer, I am going to put him down for "fall" because they have an established way to bring in more Wellses and I think it would be cheap as hell to kill off Wally or Iris. Caitlin as betrayer has already been covered as well, so I think it will be Cisco getting messed with by the stone again, or maybe even Wally since he got his powers from the stone and might have some kind of Manchurian Candidate trigger from his time in the cocoon.
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Dec 7, 2016 17:17
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maybe this is what Future Barry's message in Legends was referring to, him changing time by punking Savitar in some way that fucks up the present pretty badly
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Dec 7, 2016 17:29
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Well one of the bad things can definitely happen to Joe's new girlfriend.
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Dec 7, 2016 17:35
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Sorry if I am misunderstanding what I saw last night or am forgetting something that might have been plainly explained but I need some clarity if it can be reached at this point. So Savitar is pissed at Barry for throwing him into the speedforce. So Barry and Jay decide, "let's throw the rock that is clearly Savitar into the speedforce to get rid of him." So is this another time that Barry has thrown him in the speedforce or is this actually the original time Barry throws him in the speedforce that got Savitar all pissed off. And if this is to be considered his original dumping of Savitar does that mean he ends up coming out of the speedforce in the ancient past to eventually have Draco find him? Ok, time travel discussion headache setting in better wrap this up; so since Savitar is a transformer for some reason, already hates Barry and knows everything about everyone on team Flash does that mean rather than being the first person with super speed he is just some jackass from the future that Barry sent to the past? Has Barry achieved the perfection of an infinite time loop of loving everything up?
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Writh posted:Sorry if I am misunderstanding what I saw last night or am forgetting something that might have been plainly explained but I need some clarity if it can be reached at this point. I think the implication was that Barry imprisoned him in the stone (which might itself be some sort of conduit for his "trapped in the speed force" self anyway). It was definitely a future Barry that defeated him causing him to be "trapped" in the stone centuries in the past, this is not that time because we haven't seen a "free" Savitar yet.
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Dec 7, 2016 17:52
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Writh posted:Sorry if I am misunderstanding what I saw last night or am forgetting something that might have been plainly explained but I need some clarity if it can be reached at this point. It's likely not the time Savitar's referring to. Jay says Savitar only shows up when speedsters reach a level that's threatening to him. So he probably went after future confident, powerful Flash. But he lost, so now he's going after Murder Idiot Flash to prevent him from becoming the Flash that can beat him.
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Dec 7, 2016 17:57
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Stunt Rock posted:I'm just not sold on the wisdom of throwing a speed god directly into the speedforce. Yea that was my biggest problem with this episode. I don't get how you can possibly think throwing that in the speedforce is a good choice. Obviously this is going to lead to everything bad happening later on and be another Barry moment of poor decision making.
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Dec 7, 2016 18:07
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So, how does Savitar get outta the speed stream? Does he show the Speedforce its dead relative and get it to open the box?
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Dec 7, 2016 18:25
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Let's put him in a magic prison you can't escape unless you can run really fast. Also the prison is made of run really fast fuel.
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Dec 7, 2016 18:27
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Barry and Wally should run to the dragon Ball Z dimension and get some potaro earrings to fuse their power.
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Dec 7, 2016 18:41
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Xoom goes around every dimension he can killing speedsters and Savitar doesn't care. Barry fumblefucks up one timeline and Savitar comes knocking?
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Dec 7, 2016 19:09
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Xealot posted:Can Savitar only do poo poo when the box is open? Seal it in concrete, drop it into the ocean. Or throw it into space. These are Jumanji rules man, as Cisco pointed out, the box wants to be found. The real problem is that they can do whatever they want with the box but it won't change poo poo, they didn't "win". Savitar said he was put in the box by Barry in the future, so why are they so concerned with preventing the box from re-opening? What they really should've done is figure out how the box works so that they could skip all the crazy poo poo that's going to happen and just lock him in the box when he shows up in the future.
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Dec 7, 2016 19:31
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What if Savitar is Barry? Not "I am the future, Flash" but "I am the future Flash"
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Dec 7, 2016 20:53
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Barry and Wally are still alive because the god of speed decided to advance on them very, very slowly. Also, because Barry can't die since he's the protagonist and all, but come on.
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Dec 7, 2016 21:16
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I don't know much about the comic version of him, but after seeing a few photos of comics Savitar all I can think of is Ultimate Warrior and how much better he would be in the show if it was just an Ultimate Warrior ripoff.
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Dec 7, 2016 21:40
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Greyhawk posted:What if Savitar is Barry? Not "I am the future, Flash" but "I am the future Flash" That occurred to me, too. Especially after all the stress on how he was the first speedster.
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Dec 7, 2016 21:50
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GobiasIndustries posted:I don't know much about the comic version of him, but after seeing a few photos of comics Savitar all I can think of is Ultimate Warrior and how much better he would be in the show if it was just an Ultimate Warrior ripoff. Well the back of the dude they had playing him pre-CGI face was jacked as hell, so maybe!
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ElCondemn posted:These are Jumanji rules man, as Cisco pointed out, the box wants to be found.
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lotus circle posted:Or they could just keep the box in Star Labs? Lock it up and throw away the key. They know now what Savitar does after all. Barry could locate an alternate earth where the planet is a dead husk with absolutely no life and speed phase the box into the side of a mountain and go home.
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WhyteRyce posted:Xoom goes around every dimension he can killing speedsters and Savitar doesn't care. Barry fumblefucks up one timeline and Savitar comes knocking? Savitar would have probably pushed Zoom's poo poo in no matter how fast he got. Barry is a bigger threat because he could possibly erase Savitar from existence by going back in time and sneezing on Buddha or something. Note: I'm just devil's advocating here. I do not give one honest poo poo about this show's plot holes. Fun does not have to make sense all the time.
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Dec 7, 2016 22:48
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I just like that Barry used his speed to learn poo poo instead of being a complete dumbass (yes I know it didn't help but still, Ollie told him he has the time to be prepared for every loving thing but I guess he spends all day being an idiot or what I don't even)
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Dec 7, 2016 22:57
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Does anyone remember when they did that gimmick really early on where Barry would visualise features of crime scenes (e.g. tire tracks, footprints) in white dotted-lines? Just popped unbidden into my head when I sat down to watch the latest episode. 
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Dec 8, 2016 00:11
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Barry hasn't done his job more than once or twice in 2 seasons, and once only to steal evidence.
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Aphrodite posted:Barry hasn't done his job more than once or twice in 2 seasons, and once only to steal evidence. Yes we know, Julian give it a rest already. 
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Bozart posted:I just like that Barry used his speed to learn poo poo instead of being a complete dumbass (yes I know it didn't help but still, Ollie told him he has the time to be prepared for every loving thing but I guess he spends all day being an idiot or what I don't even) He's said before that speed reading like that only works short term and that it doesn't stick.
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Dec 8, 2016 03:11
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So speed read to find the book or chapter that matters and then read it at regular speed or I don't know ask cisco to make non lethal bean bags he can just throw at people instead of standing around waitingto get shot argh
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Just wanted to say that I'm liking Savitar a lot more than Zoom right now. He's not a loving bonkers nutcase idiot screwing with people for lulz, his identity isn't some big mystery, he has a clear agenda and a reason for holding a grudge and, while obviously very powerful, also has a HUGE limiting factor preventing him from carrying out said agenda. He makes sense, in other words. I like it when baddies make sense.
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Dec 8, 2016 03:35
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Candace Patton's wardrobe this episode was fuckin on point. And what the hell happened towards the end there, Keiynan Lonsdale did a [perfect Joe West impression. I was floored, he might actually grow into this role.
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Dec 8, 2016 04:10
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Every time they lock someone in one of their Science Jailcells I just keep focusing on how there's no bathroom in it.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Does anyone remember when they did that gimmick really early on where Barry would visualise features of crime scenes (e.g. tire tracks, footprints) in white dotted-lines? Just popped unbidden into my head when I sat down to watch the latest episode.
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Knormal posted:Every time they lock someone in one of their Science Jailcells I just keep focusing on how there's no bathroom in it. That's a pretty standard thing in movies and TV. They never have practical jail cells.
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