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Fitzy Fitz posted:Yeah Rupert is a bad dude. I came back after being reminded that I am in fact a formicid, and he still nearly killed me. Had to blink around for a bit until his berserk wore off and I could actually tank him. How... how did you blink around as an Antman??
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FulsomFrank posted:How... how did you blink around as an Antman??
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Dec 6, 2016 22:35
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:He's an AK - Lugonu still lets you blink around a bit. Ah, didn't realise that AK got to circumvent that rule. Interesting.
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Dec 6, 2016 22:42
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Heads up anyone playing on Trunk, Vehumet's mana-on-kill ability currently isn't working so plan accordingly (get a staff of energy)
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Dec 6, 2016 22:54
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Luceid posted:Heads up anyone playing on Trunk, Vehumet's mana-on-kill ability currently isn't working so plan accordingly (get a staff of energy) I think we were wrong in Discord; you were using spellforged servitor, right? I think Vehumet's energy boost only triggers when you are directly responsible for a death, not a summon.
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jerkstoresup posted:I think we were wrong in Discord; you were using spellforged servitor, right? I think Vehumet's energy boost only triggers when you are directly responsible for a death, not a summon. I tested it killing things with bolt of cold and OOD too, nothing's giving mana back for me. I picked a lousy time to work on a caster! edit: it works after a save/quit, so uh nevermind I guess but be wary just in case!! Luceid fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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FulsomFrank posted:Ah, didn't realise that AK got to circumvent that rule. Interesting. Lugonu warps space rather than you, so it works. Formicids can use Passage of Golubria too.
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Finally getting back into this after a brief foray into it a few months back. I remember the basics, but it's fun figuring out the specifics. What's a good build for a summoner or some kind of "let your companions do the fighting" type character?
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Hooray, I finally won my first Kobold Assassin ^ Dithmenos. I'm usually opting towards tanky or casty, but this guy won with zero magic skill. I had some good luck that made things easier in some ways, but I did learn a few lessons I could use to repeat it on less fortunate characters. I already knew about needles of confusion and sleeping working on more targets than poison and curare due to being a hitdice check, but I didn't realize that Ancient Lichs would ignore them outright. Orbs of Fire go wihtout saying but Ancient Lichs provided more of a challenge for me than all of Slime Pits to my surprise, at first. My formicids tended to treat them more as speedbumps than anything else. My collection of rods of inaccuracy and iron didn't help me one bit, but the pair of rods of shadow I had saved the day. I was already stealthy enough that tabbing solo against orb guardians the monsters sometimes lost track of me midtab, but that alone wasn't quite enough. With adds, I got in a lot more distraction stabs, not to mention a friendly ettin isn't a joke. If I didn't have the rods of shadow, I could have gotten away with bags of spiders and boxes of beasts, if not scrolls of summoning, or a different god altogether. 10/10 would KoAS again, would no magic again. Having started in 2006 I continually underestimate exactly how good evocables can be.
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tweet my meat posted:Finally getting back into this after a brief foray into it a few months back. I remember the basics, but it's fun figuring out the specifics. What's a good build for a summoner or some kind of "let your companions do the fighting" type character? That isn't a really supported archetype anymore. All ally-based strategies should have you fighting side by side with them. That said, if that's what you want, worship Hepliaqlkana
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I will not say this is a good build, but I'm currently having a little more fun with MuSu of Sif Muna than I expected. First, the summoning starting book really is quite nice. Having spammals, imps, and dog is a really nice progression for the early floors especially with mummy apts. The guardian golem is really nice when it explodes, leaving behind lasting clouds of flame- being a mummy I'm really glad I haven't been caught in that. Ice beasts and lightning spires are also good, and although my apts are bad I should have it online by lair. Second, Sif Muna is still a bit boring so far but a lot less tedious, and a tiny bit awesome. Only *** piety ATM, but the new channeling is pretty potent, 4-5 mp a turn, like ambrosia without the health or confusion, a lot more efficient in combat despite the piety cost since you only use it once. I have not yet tried the * ability to cast without mp, since I found a ring of magic early. Third, mummy still probably sucks, but the summoning start is surprisingly smooth... Before I'm forced to branch out with crap apts. I'll regret it later. But at least i can laugh at Menkaure.
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LordSloth posted:. . . The guardian golem is really nice when it explodes, leaving behind lasting clouds of flame- . . . . . . I have not yet tried the * ability to cast without mp, since I found a ring of magic early . . . a) WHY is this effect not listed? I've been skipping guardian golem because it can't so much as throw a punch b) I have never gotten a rune with a mage without either a ring of magic or staff of power. It's such an essential piece of gear that I kind of think that MP should just be boosted
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Speleothing posted:b) I have never gotten a rune with a mage without either a ring of magic or staff of power. It's such an essential piece of gear that I kind of think that MP should just be boosted concise, clear example of anecdotal fallacy (I'm not trying to disagree with you, it's just that it's a perfect two sentences to show that off)
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Dec 7, 2016 05:14
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I just did a 3 rune run with my draconian conjurer and I ended up having allies fight a lot of battles for me. Spellforged servitor is the best spell in the game and channel death let's you steamroll through a lot of vaults once you get momentum.
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code:Edit update: Found OCPA. Time to become the strongest Demigod 
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Speleothing posted:a) WHY is this effect not listed? I've been skipping guardian golem because it can't so much as throw a punch ... Let me know how new Sif works for you. I've only tried once after all. That two active abilities seem perfect. OTOH, i will disagree, I have gotten that rune without. I do feel level one mp should be higher, but the rest is fine. What I do feel is I'm hating the inventory limit. I just want four more slots, is a 28 letter alphabet too much to ask the devs for? Somehow my packrat conflicts are worse than ever, despite the seeming removal of items.
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LordSloth posted:What I do feel is I'm hating the inventory limit. I just want four more slots, is a 28 letter alphabet too much to ask the devs for? Somehow my packrat conflicts are worse than ever, despite the seeming removal of items.
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Dec 7, 2016 13:26
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dpeg posted:If you get standard English to adopt four more letters, then *of course* Crawl inventories would grow by those four letters. I'll point that in an alternative history where German was the dominating language, you'd enjoy 30 item inventories, thanks to äöüß. Bitte sehr, gern geschehen! Can we adopt kanji instead, then? E: 紫の = potion of mutation
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Aaaaa. Shafted myself and landed next to a bailey entrance. Inside were 10 gnolls with electric halberds and an orc knight with an antimagic battleaxe. Qazlal was instrumental in surviving that insanity, got good weapons and an xp potion out of it.
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Floodkiller posted:Can we adopt kanji instead, then? If I had my say, I'd solve this conundrum not in the lazy way (increase inventory) because while that does solve the interface problem, it does away with the choices. Instead, I'd make items on the ground disappear after a while. I've never formally proposed this (and, like any bigger change, this would necessitate a whole bunch of follow-up tweaks), but I'm convinced Crawl would become a better (=more meaningful decisions, that's my metric) game for it.
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My DSCK in my phone game is doing better than any of my GaFis have online or on my pc and it's upsetting me
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Speleothing posted:a) WHY is this effect not listed? I've been skipping guardian golem because it can't so much as throw a punch Summons a protective golem. It redirects the injuries of its allies (but not the caster) to itself, though it risks overheating after absorbing significant amounts of damage. It will gain more health at high power. Probably 'overheating' could be more clear. 
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Considering that's clear as mud, yeah.
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Yeah, honestly when I read that I read 'that sounds real bad, so I guess it will stop working reliably when it takes damage', not 'this thing will make cool fire clouds for you when it gets punched'.
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Can Of Worms posted:
I've found OCPA two games in a row now, and one of them was even a heavy armor caster with 30 str and 37 int, but I don't know how you could use that thing unless you're a Cheibro.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I've found OCPA two games in a row now, and one of them was even a heavy armor caster with 30 str and 37 int, but I don't know how you could use that thing unless you're a Cheibro. He said he was a demigod; they get double the normal stat-ups by level, don't they? That might make it usable.
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Prism posted:He said he was a demigod; they get double the normal stat-ups by level, don't they? That might make it usable. Yeah. I can't remember how high their stats get by the end of the game, but I didn't think it would be much more than the 30/37 I had.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Yeah. I can't remember how high their stats get by the end of the game, but I didn't think it would be much more than the 30/37 I had. I misunderstood then, I thought you meant that your stats were enough to use it with, and 30/37 is certainly going to be achievable for a demigod with a couple +stat randarts. (I don't remember how high demigod stats get either, other than that they get more of them.)
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I've found OCPA two games in a row now, and one of them was even a heavy armor caster with 30 str and 37 int, but I don't know how you could use that thing unless you're a Cheibro. Really good on say HO/Gr of Veh too. I even used High Council alongside it (rip best hat). Finished with 28 str 37 int (prioritized str items more than usual because of the armour). https://crawl.jorgrun.rocks/morgue/hyperrchandra/morgue-hyperrchandra-20161031-082058.txt
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rchandra posted:Really good on say HO/Gr of Veh too. I even used High Council alongside it (rip best hat). Finished with 28 str 37 int (prioritized str items more than usual because of the armour). Vehumet's extra wiz would definitely help. I could cast in the thing, but not very well. I was casting tornado in shadow dragon scales, for reference.
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E Equals MC Hammer posted:Aaaaa. Shafted myself and landed next to a bailey entrance. Inside were 10 gnolls with electric halberds and an orc knight with an antimagic battleaxe. Qazlal was instrumental in surviving that insanity, got good weapons and an xp potion out of it.
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You know, I've never really played as a Hill Orc. Maybe I should change that. Do followers automatically grab better gear sitting around? What happens to them if you get banished?
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They do not grab gear, you eventually get an ability which lets you give gifts to named followers(orcs earn names after leveling enough), one gift per orc. If you get banished once you get back they'll still be hanging out
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Or you can recall them into the acid trip that is the Abyss. It's not like you have to suffer alone!
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I'm thinking of running a troll of Jiyva because that sounds super fun. Should I start out with an earlier god? Any advice for gods that help early on but have pretty survivable punishments?
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Mr. Prokosch posted:I'm thinking of running a troll of Jiyva because that sounds super fun. Should I start out with an earlier god? Any advice for gods that help early on but have pretty survivable punishments? I've heard Fedhas is good for this sort of thing, but I don't have good experience with it because I don't use Fedhas if I can help it. I would advise you to have a good plan to survive to Slime:5 if you are dead set on Jiyva, because that may be the sole altar that game. Alternatively, if you don't care about winrate or start scumming, keep trying faded altars until you get a Jiyva start (or find an early Jiyva altar/Slime temple).
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Floodkiller posted:I've heard Fedhas is good for this sort of thing, but I don't have good experience with it because I don't use Fedhas if I can help it. I would advise you to have a good plan to survive to Slime:5 if you are dead set on Jiyva, because that may be the sole altar that game. Every single game I've played with the slime pits in it always had an altar outside the entrance.
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I've tried Trolls of Jiyva more than a few times in the past and they're really painful to play if you get an early altar, slimes just eat too many valuable items (unless they changed this behavior recently). Also trolls + slimify is a good combo until you run into nasty enemies immune to it, in which case you better have a plan B, which will usually be expensive because slimes love gobbling up your potential plan B's off-screen.
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Mr. Prokosch posted:I'm thinking of running a troll of Jiyva because that sounds super fun. Should I start out with an earlier god? Any advice for gods that help early on but have pretty survivable punishments? My second ever win was a TrCK that left Xom for Jiyva. It was a very fun trip.
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E Equals MC Hammer posted:Every single game I've played with the slime pits in it always had an altar outside the entrance. You got extremely lucky.
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