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The Wargame series is fun but it's also Armchair General: The Game, I wouldn't read too much into it
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Sounds like viral marketing for a sequel to the Michael Bay pearl harbor movie.
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Pirate Radar posted:The Wargame series is fun but it's also Armchair General: The Game, I wouldn't read too much into it I feel it is closer to Clancy: the game as anything above the tactical layer is just pushing toys around so there isn't anything to read into. The stories are almost as thin as action movies. As you said it a bit of fun and playing with alt history can be interesting as long as you don't take it seriously.
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NBC posted:BEIJING — China encircled the self-ruled island of Taiwan with nuclear-capable bombers as part of its first long-range surveillance mission, Taiwanese officials said ... Taiwan released more information, including that the flight involved two H-6K long-range bombers capable of carrying nuclear weapons. Oh, this happened a week before Trump had his tête-à-tête with President Tsai.
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Dec 7, 2016 13:59
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Why would Japan need to apologize for Pearl Harbor?
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Dec 7, 2016 14:06
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Vladimir Putin posted:Why would Japan need to apologize for Pearl Harbor? Because they lost that war.
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I think it's safe to say Japan came to deeply regret Pearl Harbor.
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Can someone post that twitter stream of Americans gloating about payback for Pearl Harbour in the wake of the 2011 Japanese tsunami.
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The PRC thinks that Japan should have to apologize for WWII several times per year. It's not enough to apologize a few times, they have to just continually apologize for the rest of history. They're trying to make US readers think Japan is so evil for not apologizing, but they don't realize that no significant portion of Americans would think or even care if Japan apologized for something that happened so long ago and is so loving irrelevant as of today.
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They're not doing that for anybody in the US, I think that's all more for domestic consumption.
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Not the English-language twitter account. I honestly don't know who the gently caress they are trying to target with their English-language media, but based on comment sections they seem to hit a bunch of born-overseas ethnic Chinese in places like Canada, Malaysia, etc.
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China puts a lot of effort into maintaining the "loyalty" and correct opinions of chinese abroad by saturating places like Richmond/Vancouver with chinese and english language propaganda and news, and local pressure groups that do very similar to what Israel does and try to paint any political criticism of the chinese government as racism. They also monitor and spy on chinese immigrant communities abroad, especially any that have taken an "anti-chinese" stance on anything. Chinese abroad that speak out against the corruption or brutality of the chinese government or how they much prefer things in the west is a huge embarrassment and loss of face. There's also pretty alarming connections between local politicians and officials in these communities and the chinese government.
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Dec 7, 2016 20:34
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The Economist had a briefing last month about China's vision of pan-Han nationalism and how they treat Han Chinese from around the world. It's pretty good. The crux of it is that it's roughly equivalent to the UK claiming every white person on earth as a citizen and demanding their loyalty to the Conservative Party.
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angel opportunity posted:The PRC thinks that Japan should have to apologize for WWII several times per year. It's not enough to apologize a few times, they have to just continually apologize for the rest of history. They're trying to make US readers think Japan is so evil for not apologizing, but they don't realize that no significant portion of Americans would think or even care if Japan apologized for something that happened so long ago and is so loving irrelevant as of today. Nah, considering how many Japanese are willing to brush their atrocities under the rug and how those people aren't brutally loving shamed in Japan, I'm totally with the Chinese on this one. Japan should be constantly apologizing for their behavior in WWII, and their behavior about it today.
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Dec 7, 2016 21:00
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What exactly is the behavior of the Japanese people today that so offends you?
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Bloodnose posted:The crux of it is that it's roughly equivalent to the UK claiming every white person on earth as a citizen and demanding their loyalty to the Conservative Party. Well there is that cult surrounding the Queen, Downton Abbey and tea time. Wow a new avatar, I guess someone was really pissed off about something.
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Mulva posted:Nah, considering how many Japanese are willing to brush their atrocities under the rug and how those people aren't brutally loving shamed in Japan, I'm totally with the Chinese on this one. Japan should be constantly apologizing for their behavior in WWII, and their behavior about it today. They had their entire army and navy destroyed, two cities nuked, went under occupation by a foreign power who rewrote their constitution and changed their society forever. I think they've paid enough.
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Mozi posted:What exactly is the behavior of the Japanese people today that so offends you? Hey if granddaughter of Japan WW2 guy doesn't get on her knees and seek clemency for what her dead grandaddy did, every year on his birthday, there is no path forwards forwards for rational dialogue, as far as I'm concerned. And don't even get me started on "German teens today" - bunch of loving Nazi sympathisers, the lot of them. If they're not, why haven't I seen any youtube videos of Lubeck Middle School (Grade 8) apologising en masse for the holocaust that they carried out. War criminals in pubescent bodies, I tells ya.
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Bloodnose posted:The Economist had a briefing last month about China's vision of pan-Han nationalism and how they treat Han Chinese from around the world. It's pretty good. also ain't nobody got a subscription of the economist, post the thang plz
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Mulva posted:Nah, considering how many Japanese are willing to brush their atrocities under the rug and how those people aren't brutally loving shamed in Japan, I'm totally with the Chinese on this one. Japan should be constantly apologizing for their behavior in WWII, and their behavior about it today. So you want like, public shaming of every single individual in a country of 120 million that is insufficiently well informed or critical of Japanese conservative-nationalist ideology or wartime atrocities, and if that shaming's not up to your standards the the response is still "gently caress every Japanese person who ever lived". Meanwhile a country with equally bad historical atrocities, or nearly as bad, and an equally or nearly as bad flavor of fascistic ultranationalist ideology but in the present day warrants no criticism? Like, Japan's historical-ideological consciousness or whatever is pretty bad, but this isn't really the place to criticize it Deceitful Penguin posted:And not say, like Russia claiming the right to defend all "Russians" the world over? Russia at least is just using its claims on diaspora populations to justify realpolitik land grabs, China's using those claims to promote a fascistic, racially-based ethno-national supermacism icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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Don't subscribe to the economist. If you must read it, here's a handy bookmark that bypasses the paywall:code:
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Deceitful Penguin posted:And not say, like Russia claiming the right to defend all "Russians" the world over? http://pastebin.com/tFcVFU2e
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icantfindaname posted:Russia at least is just using its claims on diaspora populations to justify realpolitik land grabs, China's using those claims to promote a fascistic, racially-based ethno-national supermacism Not saying that Chinese ethnic nationalism is good but it takes a hell of a warped mindset to consider a brand of ethnic nationalism that has contributed to attacking multiple neighbours and annexing their territory as 'just realpolitik' but a brand which hasn't as 'fascist supremacism'.
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:Not saying that Chinese ethnic nationalism is good but it takes a hell of a warped mindset to consider a brand of ethnic nationalism that has contributed to attacking multiple neighbours and annexing their territory as 'just realpolitik' but a brand which hasn't as 'fascist supremacism'. Not yet, anyways. Russia doesn't talk about 5000 years of Blut and Boden and the unbroken connection of the Russian people with Estonian land. You get a little bit of it w/r/t Ukraine, but even there Russia isn't threatening a full-scale invasion and occupation like China and Taiwan. There isn't really any clear comparison between Tibet and Xinjiang and anything in Russia either Russia has definitely been more aggressive in real terms, but IMO China's ideology is distinctly worse than Russia's. Russia does the ethno-nationalism thing as well, but seemingly to a lesser degree and for more pragmatic reasons icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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Deceitful Penguin posted:And not say, like Russia claiming the right to defend all "Russians" the world over? Not really, an equivalent to Han nationalism would be more like if there was a clear sense of pan-European identity. I think China's just too big for the comparison to work.
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:Not saying that Chinese ethnic nationalism is good but it takes a hell of a warped mindset to consider a brand of ethnic nationalism that has contributed to attacking multiple neighbours and annexing their territory as 'just realpolitik' but a brand which hasn't as 'fascist supremacism'. Who didn't attack their neighbors?
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icantfindaname posted:Not yet, anyways. Russia doesn't talk about 5000 years of Blut and Boden and the unbroken connection of the Russian people with Estonian land. You get a little bit of it w/r/t Ukraine, but even there Russia isn't threatening a full-scale invasion and occupation like China and Taiwan. There isn't really any clear comparison between Tibet and Xinjiang and anything in Russia either Uh plenty of russians consider the birthplace of the russian state to be in Kiev so The chances of Russia taking over all ukraine are miniscule but probably higher than the chances of china taking over taiwan, at least the former doesn't have an ocean in the way. I just don't see how you can consider a country which makes nationalist threats and might do something in the future to be more aggressive than a country that is actively engaged in foreign wars of expansion, without having a preconceived prejudice. Tibet and xinjiang are different but the original conversation was about Beijing/Moscow considering ethnic Chinese/Russians in other countries to be under their protection, which doesn't really apply there.
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This is kind of like the "remove kebab" memes about Serbs, but taken seriously. "5000 years of Blut and Boden" is not a thing anyone should say with a straight face outside of Polandball.
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Baronjutter posted:China puts a lot of effort into maintaining the "loyalty" and correct opinions of chinese abroad by saturating places like Richmond/Vancouver with chinese and english language propaganda and news, and local pressure groups that do very similar to what Israel does and try to paint any political criticism of the chinese government as racism. They also monitor and spy on chinese immigrant communities abroad, especially any that have taken an "anti-chinese" stance on anything. Chinese abroad that speak out against the corruption or brutality of the chinese government or how they much prefer things in the west is a huge embarrassment and loss of face. There's also pretty alarming connections between local politicians and officials in these communities and the chinese government. Fortunately based on my day to day experience in Toronto the most common newspaper I see Chinese reading is the Epoch Times  Bloodnose posted:The Economist had a briefing last month about China's vision of pan-Han nationalism and how they treat Han Chinese from around the world. It's pretty good. Ugh that loving headline makes me want to punch someone
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Baronjutter posted:China puts a lot of effort into maintaining the "loyalty" and correct opinions of chinese abroad by saturating places like Richmond/Vancouver with chinese and english language propaganda and news, and local pressure groups that do very similar to what Israel does and try to paint any political criticism of the chinese government as racism. They also monitor and spy on chinese immigrant communities abroad, especially any that have taken an "anti-chinese" stance on anything. Chinese abroad that speak out against the corruption or brutality of the chinese government or how they much prefer things in the west is a huge embarrassment and loss of face. There's also pretty alarming connections between local politicians and officials in these communities and the chinese government. lmao I knew it was a matter of time before someone tried to play the 5th column card
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Peven Stan posted:lmao I knew it was a matter of time before someone tried to play the 5th column card It's not playing the 5th column card to say that the CCP has massive influence in overseas Chinese communities thanks to the largest and best funded propaganda network in the world. I don't think its particularly effective though because the CCP's nonsense tends to fall flat in an environment where information isn't strictly controlled by the CCP.
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Fojar38 posted:It's not playing the 5th column card to say that the CCP has massive influence in overseas Chinese communities thanks to the largest and best funded propaganda network in the world. Yeah the only thing more shocking than how massive china's foreign propaganda and surveillance system is how absolutely ineffective and incompetent it is.
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Fojar38 posted:Ugh that loving headline makes me want to punch someone lol, you read that kind of lovely rag for long enough and you get used to it. and anyways, as a canadian you're closer to the brits and thus more responsible for them than we americans icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Dec 8, 2016 |
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I think calling Tsai Ying-Wen "The leader of Taiwan," instead of "president," and saying "So-called 'Taiwan Independence'" instead of "Taiwan Independence" as a blanket rule for all their publications is super loving effective!!
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Baronjutter posted:China puts a lot of effort into maintaining the "loyalty" and correct opinions of chinese abroad .... They also monitor and spy on chinese immigrant communities abroad, especially any that have taken an "anti-chinese" stance on anything. The Australian National Broadcaster (ABC) recently aired an interesting radio show on this (link has transcripts), and Chinese influence in Australian Universities, shaping the curriculum there and influencing University social groups, including passing memebership lists to the Chinese embassy. Chinese students studying abroad are acutely aware of the pressure that can be placed on family back home if they say the wrong thing, or join the wrong groups. Bob Carr is a worm.
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Rated PG-34 posted:Don't subscribe to the economist. If you must read it, here's a handy bookmark that bypasses the paywall: Thanks for these solutions. I also clipped from the site for lazy dudes who want to read it as it appears on the site: http://imgur.com/a/879uG Fojar38 posted:Ugh that loving headline makes me want to punch someone Why
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"The world's rising superpower"
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sincx posted:The mouthpiece of Scientology with Chinese Characteristics really isn't much better than the People's Daily. Sorry but it actually is.
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Mulva posted:Nah, considering how many Japanese are willing to brush their atrocities under the rug and how those people aren't brutally loving shamed in Japan, I'm totally with the Chinese on this one. Japan should be constantly apologizing for their behavior in WWII, and their behavior about it today. This is 100% correct. The people who pushed for the war's grandchildren are running the country, and they are utterly unrepentant about the war. Their only regret is losing. Just today a couple of the black nationalist vans were parked in Yasukuni to celebrate(?) Pearl Harbor. It's not like you can just drive in there, it requires someone's consent. The Japanese people themselves despise the war, but they did during the war as well. The leaders who were responsible for it were never ousted and taken to task for what they did to the Japanese people, and that remains the case today. Just the way the country works I guess. I do think Japan has apologized sufficiently to China and Korea, it's the Japanese people who've never received an apology, and they're the ones who most deserve one. They'll never get it though.
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