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I can buy a power drill at a hardware store but that doesn't mean I'll install it on my outer door.
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It's fine, I keep a power drill in the stairwell to drill out the lock in case of fire.
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Dec 6, 2016 21:54
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 My front door and back french door are both double keyed. I keep nagging the wife about getting a new one with an internal thumbturn but she thinks we can't afford it right now.gently caress my landlords, I'll hold on the old one and put them back when we leave.
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Dec 6, 2016 22:01
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Jerry Cotton posted:I can buy a power drill at a hardware store but that doesn't mean I'll install it on my outer door. It would probably be a good intruder deterrent. I mean who would try to break into a house where someone crazy enough to do that lives?
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Dec 6, 2016 22:02
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BattleMaster posted:It would probably be a good intruder deterrent. I mean who would try to break into a house where someone crazy enough to do that lives? Someone who needs a power drill?
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Dec 6, 2016 22:14
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D34THROW posted:she thinks we can't afford it right now. Does she think you have to pay someone to do it? A new lock is like twenty bucks and you can change it yourself if you own a screwdriver.
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Dec 6, 2016 22:24
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BattleMaster posted:The one and only time I've ever seen a door that needs a key to unlock on the inside was owned by someone who specifically installed it because they were paranoid about people smashing a window and reaching inside to unlock the door. Is it really a standard thing somewhere? My parents' house in Centennial, CO has this on all exits, and has had it since they bought the place in 1992. I've offered to replace them several times to no avail. God help them if there's ever a fire and they can't find the key due to low visibility. Maybe I should just stealth-replace the next time I'm over.
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Dec 6, 2016 23:11
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FogHelmut posted:It's fine, I keep a power drill in the stairwell to drill out the lock in case of fire.
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Dec 6, 2016 23:14
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Leperflesh posted:Does she think you have to pay someone to do it? A new lock is like twenty bucks and you can change it yourself if you own a screwdriver. Provided you don't have to do any additional drilling or mortising, which is not necessarily out of the question. That being said, if you stick with the same brand, it'll almost certainly be a drop-in replacement. MenschMaschine posted:My parents' house in Centennial, CO has this on all exits, and has had it since they bought the place in 1992. I've offered to replace them several times to no avail. God help them if there's ever a fire and they can't find the key due to low visibility. Maybe I should just stealth-replace the next time I'm over. Normally, you leave the key in as a lever replacement, or you just don't lock it, which is what I do. Do they actually lock it from the inside and then wander off with their keys? Bad Munki fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Dec 6, 2016 23:18
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In Sweden, front door locks with both a double cylinder and a thumbturn seem to be common. You can push down a switch on the side to disable the thumbturn when locking the door when you leave the house. http://www.assa.se/sv/site/assa/produkter/konsumentgds/entredorr/kompletta-entrelas/ASSA-Entre-K1/
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Dec 6, 2016 23:42
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BattleMaster posted:The one and only time I've ever seen a door that needs a key to unlock on the inside was owned by someone who specifically installed it because they were paranoid about people smashing a window and reaching inside to unlock the door. Is it really a standard thing somewhere? The UK, where it's on pretty much every front door along with the yale lock, and most back doors. It's mostly used for extra security - some people only use it when they're going away somewhere and leaving the house empty. Now I think about it, there are no doors in my house that you could get out of without a key.
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Dec 6, 2016 23:48
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BRB, smashing a window.
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Dec 6, 2016 23:58
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Bad Munki posted:Normally, you leave the key in as a lever replacement, or you just don't lock it, which is what I do. Do they actually lock it from the inside and then wander off with their keys? Yes, yes they do. They also did this when my sisters and I were small children living in this house. 
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Dec 7, 2016 00:10
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Rectus posted:In Sweden, front door locks with both a double cylinder and a thumbturn seem to be common. You can push down a switch on the side to disable the thumbturn when locking the door when you leave the house. So you can trap guests inside the house? I don't understand the purpose of double cylinder locks other than to kill people in fires or trap people in your prison-home.
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Dec 7, 2016 03:19
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Baronjutter posted:So you can trap guests inside the house? I don't understand the purpose of double cylinder locks other than to kill people in fires or trap people in your prison-home. Inside cylinders keep people from locking the door too. It keeps little shits inside a store from turning the handle and keeping customers out.
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Dec 7, 2016 03:22
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Baronjutter posted:So you can trap guests inside the house? I don't understand the purpose of double cylinder locks other than to kill people in fires or trap people in your prison-home. We had one on our front door when we moved in, because the top half is glass and I'm sure the (dumb) assumption was that someone could just smash it and unlock the door. My gf especially hated unlocking ourselves out of my our drat house every morning though, or fumbling for the keys to answer the door, so I just caulked in a stained glass privacy insert over the glass portion and put a regular latched deadbolt on. I figure, A, nobody is going to break in the front door like that, and B, my house is covered in windows anyways and it only takes a few seconds to bump a house lock. Locks are for honest people. That being said, the previous owners who had this double cylinder lock front door arrangement, are the same ones who didn't have a locking back door, just a flimsy patio storm door on the mudroom. I made a point of replacing that sucker ASAP, because that was just dumb. Catatron Prime fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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Dec 7, 2016 04:12
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kid sinister posted:Inside cylinders keep people from locking the door too. It keeps little shits inside a store from turning the handle and keeping customers out. And by code you can totally have those on the front door of your retail shop, providing you have sufficient egress with crash bars and such for non-public hours staff and NEVER lock it during business hours with customers inside.
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Dec 7, 2016 04:18
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Motronic posted:And by code you can totally have those on the front door of your retail shop, providing you have sufficient egress with crash bars and such for non-public hours staff and NEVER lock it during business hours with customers inside. Ahh, that explains the "this door to remain unlocked and open during business hours" signs.
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Dec 7, 2016 04:23
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Ahh, that explains the "this door to remain unlocked and open during business hours" signs. That's the one. It's a specific exemption given either by code or the AHJ to a business to make that accommodation, and usually requires a sign like that.
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Dec 7, 2016 04:30
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Baronjutter posted:So you can trap guests inside the house? I don't understand the purpose of double cylinder locks other than to kill people in fires or trap people in your prison-home. Well, it does help against burglars just walking out with all your property even if they smash a window to enter your house.
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Dec 7, 2016 10:51
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Baronjutter posted:So you can trap guests inside the house? I don't understand the purpose of double cylinder locks other than to kill people in fires or trap people in your prison-home. Also scared old grannies will lock it from inside and when they fall down and can't get up, the fire brigade has to bust the door to let the ambulance crew in. My apartment has a brand new door because exactly this happened to the previous inhabitant.
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Dec 7, 2016 12:29
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Things like that only make sense if you already have bars on your windows, or at least security glass, and locks of unusual security. Most doors are pretty easy to kick in, too.
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Dec 7, 2016 12:34
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Platystemon posted:Things like that only make sense if you already have bars on your windows, or at least security glass, and locks of unusual security. It depends a lot on where the windows are located too. Here in Sweden the norm seem to have a basement, which often puts the first floor windows high enough to be hard to reach without a ladder. And even if the windows are reachable, it's going to be a lot harder to get big loot out through a window. But yeah, if your door is made of cardboard, no lock will help.
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Dec 7, 2016 13:07
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The last office-building I worked in had an "interesting" hallway to the bathroom. There were 3 doors. One unlocked to the bathroom. The other two doors had keycode locks to two different offices. No other exit. If you went to the bathroom, and didn't know the keycode, you couldn't get back into the office and you were locked into this little hallway area. There was a phone that went to security in case you got locked in. I was there when they installed this. Supposedly it passed inspection. I can't imagine how. There was a big sign on the door when going to the bathroom that read something like "The code to get back in is 1234 REMEMBER THIS"
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Dec 7, 2016 16:10
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Rectus posted:Well, it does help against burglars just walking out with all your property even if they smash a window to enter your house. Yep. Unless you live in an area with no break-ins you're a fool to not use a double cylinder lock if you have a fancy door with glass in or around it. Its fine to use a single cylinder lock on all other doors, such as the garage door. If it were up to me I'd have a single cylinder lock on a front door with no glass, but typically the women in your life will want a front door with glass, or a large french door in the kitchen which is a nightmare to secure properly. Personally I have all family members practice evacuating the house a couple times a year (as everyone should). This includes locating the key and being able to use it blindfolded, despite the fact that there are many other exits that do not require a key (in case they are blocked). On the door with a double cylinder the key is always kept near it in the same spot and never taken away. You should also beef up your strike plate / frame you have a lovely one to make it much harder to kick in the door. Its hilarious when people buy the most expensive deadbolt and the strike plate is thin metal secured by a couple short screws that don't extend into the frame much at all.
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Dec 7, 2016 16:23
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Leperflesh posted:Does she think you have to pay someone to do it? A new lock is like twenty bucks and you can change it yourself if you own a screwdriver. I already changed the knob on the garage door to be keyed inside and thumbturn garage side because the loving kids bust out there if it's a thumbturn inside. She thinks we just can't spare the $20 right now.
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Dec 7, 2016 16:39
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Vulcan posted:Personally I have all family members practice evacuating the house a couple times a year (as everyone should). This includes locating the key and being able to use it blindfolded 
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Dec 7, 2016 17:07
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Vulcan posted:Yep. 
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Dec 7, 2016 17:16
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Vulcan posted:Yep. Do you drive a 1984 Plymouth Voyager with bubble windows? Asking for a friend.
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Depending on where you're at, gas may be cheaper than electricity. Possibly a genius way to beat the system!
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Dec 7, 2016 23:59
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Vulcan posted:If it were up to me I'd have a single cylinder lock on a front door with no glass, but typically the women in your life will want a front door with glass, or a large french door in the kitchen which is a nightmare to secure properly. Front doors with glass are terrible because you can’t sneak up on the door, see Jehova’s Witnesses, and sneak away without them knowing you’re home.
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Dec 8, 2016 00:05
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Platystemon posted:Front doors with glass are terrible because you can’t sneak up on the door, see Jehova’s Witnesses, and sneak away without them knowing you’re home. It scaring off proselytizers that hard for most people? Copies of Diagenetics aren't so difficult to come by.
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Dec 8, 2016 00:13
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Platystemon posted:Front doors with glass are terrible because you can’t sneak up on the door, see Jehova’s Witnesses, and sneak away without them knowing you’re home. Why sneak around at all? Last time LDS knocked on my door, I walked up, opened the blinds, closed the blinds, walked away and sat back down on the couch to finish watching my show. Pretty sure they got the message better than me pretending I'm not home.
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Dec 8, 2016 00:15
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You can’t scare off axe murderers with L. Ron books. Is it weird that I don’t want randos off the street to be able to see inside my home?
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Dec 8, 2016 00:20
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I have a "NO SOLICITORS (thank you)" sign on my door and it works fine. Used to get all sorts of random scammy door-to-door poo poo (religious types included), now I just get neighbors, guests, and deliveries. It's nice. 
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This is good, make sure your toilet water isn't too cold!
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Dec 8, 2016 02:20
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Magnus Praeda posted:Why sneak around at all? Last time LDS knocked on my door, I walked up, opened the blinds, closed the blinds, walked away and sat back down on the couch to finish watching my show. Pretty sure they got the message better than me pretending I'm not home. I just open the door and say "Thank you, but everyone in this household is happy with their relationship with Jesus." It gets the message across without throwing up "I need spiritual help" signals and without being an rear end in a top hat.
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Otoh its the LDS church, gently caress em.
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