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pthighs posted:Can you give more detail on this? I read it recently and had a vague memory of hearing that it was inaccurate. TL;DR of the book is that the Medieval period was ten centuries of horrific backwardness, regression, and darkness in which no advancements were made, presided over by a corrupt church that cared only for temporal power and burning heretics, all wedged between the two golden ages of the Roman Empire and Renaissance, right? Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Dec 8, 2016 |
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Yes I'll have the StuG cornet please, two scoops.
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Dec 8, 2016 18:18
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OwlFancier posted:Yes I'll have the StuG cornet please, two scoops. That's a custom job, so its not wasting time at/in the factory.
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Meanwhile, two Soviet conscripts snicker and high five before positioning a vicious Anti-Tank field gun closer to the thing.
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Dec 8, 2016 18:23
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Is there any significant difference in the actual paint itself they put on tanks in WWII vs today? From the displays I've seen the old paint looked pretty thick and gritty. Is there anything magical about modern tank paint like there is for planes?
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Dec 8, 2016 18:38
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david_a posted:Is there any significant difference in the actual paint itself they put on tanks in WWII vs today? From the displays I've seen the old paint looked pretty thick and gritty. Is there anything magical about modern tank paint like there is for planes? The only big difference is the stuff now is designed specifically to resist chemical warfare agents. I don't know anything about the chemistry but I guess normal paint really sucks up nasty stuff and it'll stay in there basically forever but CARC keeps it out somehow with the magic of technology.
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Speaking of David Irving, a movie came out recently about the time he sued an American historian, Deborah Lipstadt, for calling him a holocaust denier. Denial, it was called. I thought it was pretty good. Rachel Weisz played Lipstadt and Irving was played by the guy who played Peter Pettigrew in the Harry Potter movies.
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SeanBeansShako posted:That is true, but what if you know about incidents like that terrible US Civil War historian that got publically dumped by HEY GAL's friend and can't keep a straight face trying to read the stuff? P-Mack posted:Reading the old/crazy/debunked can still be useful and informative if you go in with open eyes and a sense of where it fits in the historiography of the subject.
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Dec 8, 2016 19:04
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I remember from somewhere (no guarantees if I remember it correctly) that IDF uses some special coating that makes their vehicles gather dust to make them better blend to local terrain, so suppose if the surroundings are more yellowish then the yellow dust that the vehicles kick up will gather on the vehicles so the vehicles will stand out less for naked eye, and so on. In hitech warfare this of course has become less of an issue as the heat signature requires other methods to hide. For example take a look at this marketing video by Saab (maybe they should look into vidyeo games market after failing at making cars?): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lsmkwm3ang
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Dec 8, 2016 19:11
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Nebakenezzer posted:
One day I will finish reading all the imperial memoirs and be able to effort post the living poo poo out of this question.
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david_a posted:Is there any significant difference in the actual paint itself they put on tanks in WWII vs today? From the displays I've seen the old paint looked pretty thick and gritty. Is there anything magical about modern tank paint like there is for planes? A common issue is that the colours are incorrect due to some museum or restoration getting the colour wrong, then everyone else copying them. That's how you get the blue Matildas, it should be grey but the Imperial War Museum cocked it up back in the day and its stuck ever since.
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nrook posted:Speaking of David Irving, a movie came out recently about the time he sued an American historian, Deborah Lipstadt, for calling him a holocaust denier. Denial, it was called. I thought it was pretty good. Rachel Weisz played Lipstadt and Irving was played by the guy who played Peter Pettigrew in the Harry Potter movies.  now that is some excellent casting
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Dec 8, 2016 19:14
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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pthighs posted:Can you give more detail on this? I read it recently and had a vague memory of hearing that it was inaccurate. quote:
I could go on but the whole book is like this. I love the image of the peasant venturing a few fields too far from home, becoming hopelessly lost and wandering the country forever.
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Dec 8, 2016 19:49
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Pistol_Pete posted:I could go on but the whole book is like this. I love the image of the peasant venturing a few fields too far from home, becoming hopelessly lost and wandering the country forever.
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Dec 8, 2016 19:51
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HEY GAL posted:how does the author think people hunted without dying Aren't humans like pretty drat good at navigating by landmarks since that is evolutionary selected for when you are hunter-gatherers? Also something something the story of Martin de Guerre (admittedly a few centuries later, but still somewhat relevant)
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Dec 8, 2016 19:59
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He's a...rennaisanceboo or something? He seems to be such an rear end in a top hat that he must be a redditor, too. Posting in /r/enlightement how Dark Age peasants didn't know time and got lost all the time
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Dec 8, 2016 20:02
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Pistol_Pete posted:I could go on but the whole book is like this. I love the image of the peasant venturing a few fields too far from home, becoming hopelessly lost and wandering the country forever. This sounds like a good book if you pretend it's a fantasy novel
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Dec 8, 2016 20:03
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How the ever loving gently caress does he think trade happened? Oh wait, I'm guessing contrary to all historical and archaeological evidence he assumes that trade just ended and people never met someone from outside their hamlet. Or that the village priest had never either visited Rome or been taught by someone who had visited Rome. What he's describing would be laughable in a loving post-apocalyptic novel.
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Cyrano4747 posted:How the ever loving gently caress does he think trade happened?
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Dec 8, 2016 20:25
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Somebody post that hilarious Christian Dark Ages graph.
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Crazycryodude posted:Somebody post that hilarious Christian Dark Ages graph. Get you one better 
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Cyrano4747 posted:How the ever loving gently caress does he think trade happened? Its so antithetical to everything we keep learning about how interconnected past societies were. The fact that most people never leave home is meaningless, as that is still true today. Most people do not move a significant distance from home. They still are aware of the greater world, and still likely traveled to neighboring villages and towns, and if they ended up in an army, potentially quite a long way from home. Also that viking buddha is dope and I love seeing poo poo like that.
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Pistol_Pete posted:I could go on but the whole book is like this. I love the image of the peasant venturing a few fields too far from home, becoming hopelessly lost and wandering the country forever. Also he's never seen a sundial, apparently. Or even, you know, looked up into the sky. 'Welp, can't tell if it's the middle of the day or just after dawn, how could I possibly tell the difference!)
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Get you one better Holy loving poo poo dudes
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Pistol_Pete posted:I could go on but the whole book is like this. I love the image of the peasant venturing a few fields too far from home, becoming hopelessly lost and wandering the country forever. As a literal actual child I wandered through the endless plains and forests of Russia and managed to get to neighbouring villages and back without, it absolutely baffles me how anyone could think that fully grown adults would become hopelessly lost after creating a hill. Nenonen posted:I remember from somewhere (no guarantees if I remember it correctly) that IDF uses some special coating that makes their vehicles gather dust to make them better blend to local terrain, so suppose if the surroundings are more yellowish then the yellow dust that the vehicles kick up will gather on the vehicles so the vehicles will stand out less for naked eye, and so on. In hitech warfare this of course has become less of an issue as the heat signature requires other methods to hide. For example take a look at this marketing video by Saab (maybe they should look into vidyeo games market after failing at making cars?): In the Russian army there'sa saying that your tank will take the colour of the terrain after driving through it for 10 kilometers. The only special tank paint that I read about was extra matte.
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So if it wasn't for the women, we could be having space ships by now?
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Pistol_Pete posted:I could go on but the whole book is like this. I love the image of the peasant venturing a few fields too far from home, becoming hopelessly lost and wandering the country forever. Every time a medieval man left his village, it looked like that dotted line trail from Family Circus.
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Pistol_Pete posted:I could go on but the whole book is like this. I love the image of the peasant venturing a few fields too far from home, becoming hopelessly lost and wandering the country forever. I believe they were called Ronin, tyvm. 
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I just found this documentary. How accurate is it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HProiNnmGwI
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Get you one better       On the other hand there's been more global peace since women's suffrage than there was before, and more Hitlers were killed in a women-having-the-vote world than ever before so
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Pistol_Pete posted:I could go on but the whole book is like this. I love the image of the peasant venturing a few fields too far from home, becoming hopelessly lost and wandering the country forever. This is almost as good as "Ancient people had X-ray machines, because otherwise how could they know the shape of a human skeleton?"
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Ensign Expendable posted:As a literal actual child I wandered through the endless plains and forests of Russia and managed to get to neighbouring villages and back without, it absolutely baffles me how anyone could think that fully grown adults would become hopelessly lost after creating a hill. Isn't Russia famous for people getting hillariously lost in the woods?
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JaucheCharly posted:Isn't Russia famous for people getting hillariously lost in the woods? I think Russia is mostly woods and empty fields, intermittently dotted with houses.
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Dec 8, 2016 23:07
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Nebakenezzer posted:This is almost as good as "Ancient people had X-ray machines, because otherwise how could they know the shape of a human skeleton?" What? How can you ever be stupid enough to say that?
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Pistol_Pete posted:I could go on but the whole book is like this. I love the image of the peasant venturing a few fields too far from home, becoming hopelessly lost and wandering the country forever. Did this guy believe in the Phantom Time Hypothesis? It seems right up his alley.
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JaucheCharly posted:Isn't Russia famous for people getting hillariously lost in the woods? Those who wander not lost
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Pistol_Pete posted:I could go on but the whole book is like this. I love the image of the peasant venturing a few fields too far from home, becoming hopelessly lost and wandering the country forever. So uh, how do larger settlements than villages work out in this grade a insanity?
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