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Sinteres posted:I just also think Ukraine and Syria are pretty much in his sphere of influence I think those countries are full of living, breathing humans who deserve to not have their hospitals and markets bombed and territory taken
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So Assad has no problem killing dissenters who aren't jihadists but for some reason releases all kinds of jihadists who are now the core of the rebellion that almost toppled him, created Isis so that he could let Isis seize his oilfields so that he can buy oil from isis, and... I think people are really taking the whole " our enemies are at the same time terrifying diabolical 4d chessplayers and also hilariously incompetent subhumans" thing a bit too far.
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Throatwarbler posted:So Assad has no problem killing dissenters who aren't jihadists but for some reason releases all kinds of jihadists who are now the core of the rebellion that almost toppled him, created Isis so that he could let Isis seize his oilfields so that he can buy oil from isis, and... whats wrong with jihad????????????????????????????????
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rear end struggle posted:whats wrong with jihad???????????????????????????????? I never said there was anything wrong with jihad?? Honestly Nusra probably isn't even the worst group amongst the rebels these days, let one all the factions in Syria. From that article I posted it sounds like they don't even actually care that much about women's clothing. But I'm not American so maybe I would feel differently about al Qaeda if I were
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Sergg posted:I think those countries are full of living, breathing humans who deserve to not have their hospitals and markets bombed and territory taken
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Throatwarbler posted:I never said there was anything wrong with jihad?? Then grow a pair and support our boys in black fight against Russian imperialism.
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Throatwarbler posted:So Assad has no problem killing dissenters who aren't jihadists but for some reason releases all kinds of jihadists who are now the core of the rebellion that almost toppled him, created Isis so that he could let Isis seize his oilfields so that he can buy oil from isis, and... This is at best a tremendous misrepresentation of the theory you are attempting to describe.
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rear end struggle posted:Then grow a pair and support our boys in black fight against Russian imperialism. Oh cool, our thread has its first terrorist recruiter.
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Throatwarbler posted:So Assad has no problem killing dissenters who aren't jihadists but for some reason releases all kinds of jihadists who are now the core of the rebellion that almost toppled him, created Isis so that he could let Isis seize his oilfields so that he can buy oil from isis, and... Assad releases jihadists to muddy the waters regarding who the dissidents are increasing his justifications for the terrorisation of his own populace. Large parts of his armed forces defect and the conflict spirals beyond his control. Wanting to keep all Syria, and defeat all his enemies, he focuses first on the forces that don't fit his propaganda and works with ISIS in some areas (in terms of keeping infrastructure running, not militarily) while fighting them on other fronts. But that's a narrative and it assumes a bit. All we can really do is go off the verifiable and consistently corroborated evidence of specific actions.
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Throatwarbler posted:So Assad has no problem killing dissenters who aren't jihadists but for some reason releases all kinds of jihadists who are now the core of the rebellion that almost toppled him, created Isis so that he could let Isis seize his oilfields so that he can buy oil from isis, and... Go on a bit further with that logic and you'll be able to prove that the USA never supported the Afghan mujahideen against Soviet Russia because 9/11 makes that idea look silly. 75 years ago Japan attacked Pearl Harbor to get the USA to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki and force them to rebuild their country as they occupy it? Terrifying incompetent 4D chessplayers the Japanese! Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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Sinteres posted:Oh cool, our thread has its first terrorist recruiter. please, im sure a state department employee has posted in this thread before.
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rear end struggle posted:please, im sure a state department employee has posted in this thread before. RIP Vilerat
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Sinteres posted:RIP Vilerat those manpads could have made all the difference in the mujahadeen's struggle against the crusader's hawks of war
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Cat Mattress posted:Go on a bit further with that logic and you'll be able to prove that the USA never supported the Afghan mujahideen against Soviet Russia because 9/11 makes that idea look silly. What? The US supported Afghan mujahedeen didn't do 9/11 or have anything to do with 9/11. A Saudi who also happened to support the Afghan Mujahedeen at the time organized and funded a group of mostly Saudis to do 9/11 and then fled to Afghanistan seeking sanctuary with the Taliban, a group that was created decades after the Soviet invasion that overthrew the government created by the US funded mujahedeen and had been at war with then ever since, a day before or after 9/11 Said Arabs even assassinated one of the last leaders of the us supported mujahedeen who was still fighting them and the Taliban.
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Sinteres posted:Nice of you to volunteer others to die on their behalf. They seem quite eager to die on their own behalf EDIT: Wait when the gently caress did not wanting them to have their hospitals and markets bombed and territory taken become some kind of controversial statement? What kind of bizarro universe do I live in? Sergg fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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Sergg posted:They seem quite eager to die on their own behalf Mission accomplished then? Sergg posted:EDIT: Wait when the gently caress did not wanting them to have their hospitals and markets bombed and territory taken become some kind of controversial statement? What kind of bizarro universe do I live in? That's not controversial, but when you start pointing that out as an argument against recognizing that Russia has a sphere of influence, it suggests you want to do something to stop them, which makes it a bit more of a contentious issue. It's possible to think that Russia's behavior is monstrous while still thinking the drawbacks of acting against them outweigh the benefits. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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The more images come out of Al Salam hospital in Mosul the bigger the ISF's gently caress up looks.
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Throatwarbler posted:So Assad has no problem killing dissenters who aren't jihadists but for some reason releases all kinds of jihadists who are now the core of the rebellion that almost toppled him, created Isis so that he could let Isis seize his oilfields so that he can buy oil from isis, and... Almost toppled him? Seized his oilfields? ISIS and Assad's forces largely left each other alone for the first few years. ISIS set up shop in Syria in the East, where the pro-Assad forces had already lost control or withdrawn and proceeded to battle it out with the other rebel factions for territory and resources. Assad bought oil from ISIS during that period of stability, with ISIS only beginning large scale operations against the SAA around the time they pushed to Palmyra. This took place as the SAA was looking pretty weak on that front and ISIS was retreating in Iraq and Northern Syria from <everybody who isn't Assad/Russia>. They never came anywhere close to toppling Assad or even threatening his major strongholds. Even these days all the major regime offensives have been aimed at <not-ISIS> despite the substantial front with them. The closest thing to a major offensive on ISIS was the counter-attack to Palmyra which re-captured much of the lost territory before going right back into a defensive posture. Throatwarbler posted:Also IS looks like is making a serious push to recapture all of Palmyra. Assad probably withdrew most of the units holding it (again) for the push on Aleppo. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 03:29 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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Throatwarbler posted:So Assad has no problem killing dissenters who aren't jihadists but for some reason releases all kinds of jihadists who are now the core of the rebellion that almost toppled him, created Isis so that he could let Isis seize his oilfields so that he can buy oil from isis, and... Cirofren posted:Assad releases jihadists to muddy the waters regarding who the dissidents are increasing his justifications for the terrorisation of his own populace. Large parts of his armed forces defect and the conflict spirals beyond his control. Wanting to keep all Syria, and defeat all his enemies, he focuses first on the forces that don't fit his propaganda and works with ISIS in some areas (in terms of keeping infrastructure running, not militarily) while fighting them on other fronts. https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/4ody75/new_syrian_army_confirms_they_are_being_bombed_by/ https://twitter.com/south_front_sy/status/743444709369065472 quote:#Breaking "It's Assad or ISIL, and we're gonna loving make sure that's the only choice, no matter how many people we have to kill to make it so!" Saladin Rising fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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If guns could tell their stories: https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/806633992271392769 Nazi and Soviet small arms, united in purpose.
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ecureuilmatrix posted:Nazi and Soviet small arms, united in purpose. It's like Poland 1939.
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Whats the shelf life of assault rifle weapons and their ammunition? really bizarre to see an STG-44 still in use.
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Next to the ppsh, is that a johnson rifle? Even in the horrible condition those guns are in that's a lot of money at auction.
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Fizzil posted:Whats the shelf life of assault rifle weapons and their ammunition? really bizarre to see an STG-44 still in use. Really hard to explain because it's not going to be in years, because most often times these are guns that are dipped in cosmoline, sealed in a bag, and kept on a shelf. In actual use, going off the experience from a Nevada rental range and other places, most guns will probably go 5,000 to 10,000 rounds without minor parts breaking. 15k to 20k rounds before the barrel needs replacing and that's more due to accuracy loss: if you don't care about being able to hit a human target at 400m fifty-percent of the time and you spray-and-pray, you could put double that before the barrel weakens enough to be a hazard. The bolts can go about 20,000 rounds before feeding and misfire problems come up. The receivers themselves could go for about 100,000 to 200,000 rounds depending on the gun: for example, the stamped steel lower receiver of the Kalashnikov will crack around 100k+ but the cast or billeted aluminium upper and lower of the AR will continue to go past 200k. The major thing about some of those old guns is what they're using for ammunition. In some cases, they're is a chance they could be converted to a more plentiful ammunition, which could affect their reliability. The other thing is maintenance and stress. A gun sitting a state arsenal soaked in cosmoline is probably going to be in better shape than a gun that was cannibalized from other guns, dropped a dozen times, and then taken off a dead body found after an artillery barrage. Ammunition has a shorter shelf date due to powders, but people are still using 100-year-old ammunition just fine as long as the casings haven't corroded.
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Its probably Yugoslav licenses and East-German surplus, though a lot of confiscated Nazi weapons were put to use rather then being destroyed. The French and the Britts wanted to leave their mandates with atleast a rudimentary security force, and war spoils was a cheap alternative. If you remember Hajar Seniors "Charge of the light brigade", they had an MG42 clone. Lets not go overboard with the NRA/CoD chat.
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Iraq hospital battle looks bad. https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/5hbjie/islamic_state_media_for_the_battle_of_mosul/ http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/lethal-mistake-leads-to-harrowing-ambush-in-mosul-1.3196113
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http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...tack?src=usn_fb It screams clickbait but the entire concept is so naff, selfdefeating and they are selling it like a Agile Project Methodology.
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54.4 crowns posted:http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...tack?src=usn_fb You can't use statistical analysis on problems that are inherently unquantifiable...  Major fail. They admit rigt off the bat in the article that they just arbitrarily assign weight values to "evidence and reliability of sources". So they're just a bunch of dudes just like us, but they wring their biases through a magic algorithm and that makes it probabilistic somehow.
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After a blitz broke Assad's lines in Palmyra it seems his forces are either under tremendous strain or have potentially even collapsed. A counter attack failed in a big way, ambushed with dozens killed and wounded, and ISIS has continued to take positions that are threatening to cut off Palmyra entirely. Reports that ISIS has begun to enter the city from the east while pinching the supply line in the west, with rumors of a retreat by Assad's forces from the Palmyra salient into Homs proper. Follow the Palmyra hashtag on Twitter for more information, it's coming out in a storm right now. Fog of war, ect. My understanding is that ISIS somehow found enough soldiers to field one last offensive gasp, perhaps taking forces withdrawn from either Al-Bab or Iraq and assembled them throughout their positions along the Palmyra salient. The abrupt Russian departure a few days ago may have been a similar event to when the Tigers withdrew during the Tabq offensive, where Assad's forces were surprised by a big build up by the enemy right under their noses and the elite forces fled and left the regular militias to fight off the overwhelming attack. Whatever the outcome, this doesn't change the course of the war but I feel very bad for the civilians who may wind up being trapped by ISIS for a second time in two years. This does showcase that ISIS is one of the most oddly competent forces in the war, capable of pulling this stunt off at all is impressive considering the advanced stage of atrophy of their position. Another thing to consider in that regard is how they handled the four different armies that were pushing on Al-Bab, bleeding each of them and letting them closer and closer to the city until everyone was just a few miles away from it. Now Al-Bab is a geo political football and all of their enemies are suffering heart burn from it, although perhaps not Assad's faction because this is a short term aberration before they start being able to apply the forces in Aleppo to critical areas throughout the country. Another thing to note is that the US destroyed a hilarious number of oil tankers, over 160, in the past 48 hours. With the amount of oil fields that have fallen to ISIS I wonder if that was a precautionary measure in case they did actually close this salient and were able to operate the oil rigs, if they're even operational at this point of the war. I think the oil rigs west of Palmyra have been fought over and captured so much that they're inoperable, but it's just a thought.
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Brother Friendship posted:After a blitz broke Assad's lines in Palmyra it seems his forces are either under tremendous strain or have potentially even collapsed. A counter attack failed in a big way, ambushed with dozens killed and wounded, and ISIS has continued to take positions that are threatening to cut off Palmyra entirely. Reports that ISIS has begun to enter the city from the east while pinching the supply line in the west, with rumors of a retreat by Assad's forces from the Palmyra salient into Homs proper. Follow the Palmyra hashtag on Twitter for more information, it's coming out in a storm right now. Fog of war, ect. Most likely the SAA gutted the units guarding the ISIS borders again to throw them at the other rebels. It's been a pretty quiet front for a while and ISIS simply isn't a priority for Assad yet. They probably don't have the troops available to make a concerted counterattack. There will probably be a week or two of consolidation until units can be brought back over.
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ISIS has a pretty consistent strategy of shifting their forces around to hit weak fronts. It's one of their strong suites, along with their slick PR department and unnervingly good/prolific use of suicide troops.
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Even self aware robots are willing to martyr themselves for the restoration of the Caliphate https://twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/status/807312954014265344
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*drunk post*
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echomadman posted:Even self aware robots are willing to martyr themselves for the restoration of the Caliphate 'suicide drone', or in plain speak guided missile, unless the operator shoots himself in the head after he's done
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so why are folks suddenly talking endlessly about these white helmet dudes? i've been following this conflict since assad was shooting folks at protests and i'd never heard of them before like a month or two ago
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Jazerus posted:so why are folks suddenly talking endlessly about these white helmet dudes? Because they film stuff like this during their work, so it's important to some people to delegitimatise them and their work as much as possible https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ82dCcqpBY
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Jazerus posted:so why are folks suddenly talking endlessly about these white helmet dudes? I think they're getting increasing play from international media. There was also a controversy around them recently, where they staged a mock rescue, which they ended up apologizing for.
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Count Roland posted:I think they're getting increasing play from international media. There was also a controversy around them recently, where they staged a mock rescue, which they ended up apologizing for. More details on that here, probably not the smartest thing to try the mannequin challenge in a war zone. Not looking forward to the ISIS attempt.
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Nenonen posted:'suicide drone', or in plain speak guided missile, unless the operator shoots himself in the head after he's done I think it occupies a useful linguistic niche for flying, remote-guided bombs that are far slower than missiles.
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