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Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

X-O posted:

Well, not line-wide as IDW isn't a shared universe, but the Hasbro titles that crossed over are.

Oooooh is that what it was? I guess that makes sense

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X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

site posted:

Oooooh is that what it was? I guess that makes sense

Sorry to be the one to break it to you that you'll never get that Ghostbusters/Locke & Key crossover you wanted.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
My dreams

They have been crushed

Threep
Apr 1, 2006

It's kind of a long story.
Unworthy Thor #2



Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"


The Question IRL posted:

Fun fact if you go back and look at the trade paper backs of Knights End (where Batman comes back and claims his title back of Jean Paul Valley) there is a bit where Az-Bat is talking about how he is a good guy because he beats up villains.
He mentions that he defeated "Jigsaw."

Which is a reference to the Chuck Dixon Punisher/Batman crossover. So that one was cannon, I guess.


Wrong Batman/Punisher crossover. Azbats and Jigsaw were in Lake of Fire by Denny O'Neil. "And the damned do not always scream and moan. Sometimes they suffer in silence."

Don't know why I still remember that after all these years.

OldTennisCourt
Sep 11, 2011

by VideoGames
Do we know why Thor is Unworthy? Is it something hinted at or one of those "we'll figure it out at some point" things writers do?

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST

OldTennisCourt posted:

Do we know why Thor is Unworthy? Is it something hinted at or one of those "we'll figure it out at some point" things writers do?

Nick Fury whispered something to him.

We don't know what it is yet.

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

Pureauthor posted:

Nick Fury whispered something to him.

We don't know what it is yet.

The implication from Unworthy 2 seems to be "Gods are unnecessary" Which... is loving retarded.

Ignite Memories
Feb 27, 2005

Pureauthor posted:

Nick Fury whispered something to him.

We don't know what it is yet.

The only thing that makes sense to me, as terrible as it is, is that the hammer is strictly homophobic

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!
This happened in August 2014. Thor has been Unworthy for 2 and a half years at this point.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


To be honest the only acceptable explanation at this point would be that Nick Fury whispered some kinda failsafe spell he learned from some old tomes. It would be a copout, but at least it wouldn't be retarded.

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.
Like the actual hint in Unworthy 2 is Thor has a dream sequence where upon he's being crushed by Mjollnir's and then the God Butcher shows up and says "You're afraid I was right"

EDIT: Actual dialog

" 'What if they really are better off without us' Thor wondered in fear, even as he swung his mighty hammer. 'What if a Godless Age is what they deserve?' 'What if Gorr isn't a madman at all' 'Gods help us, what if he's...'"

So yeah, intent seems to be that the whisper is related to Gods being obsolete... Which is loving dumb.

Onmi fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Dec 9, 2016

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Toshimo posted:

This happened in August 2014. Thor has been Unworthy for 2 and a half years at this point.

Also, during the "Time Runs Out" storyline, he grabs the hammer of Thorr, which requires the wielder to be unworthy, and right before he charges at the bad guys, he can no longer carry the unworthy hammer.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Yeah but he forgot that happened.

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band
Not to mention that it's not up to Thor or anything he knows/thinks he knows to decide whether or not he's worthy. It's Odin's frickin' spell, and it knows what's going on. :rant:
:goonsay:

Ignite Memories
Feb 27, 2005

UNLESS, OF COURSE, whatever nick fury said to odinson made him SUPER GAY and the hammer is not cool with that.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


The entire point of that whole sequence is that he's not unworthy anymore. The hammer was responding to him being willing to die to save some kid he'd never met. The Collector is such a loving goon that he doesn't get it so he's going to make him fight towards the thing over and over so he can measure worthiness on his space scanners.

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

prefect posted:

Not to mention that it's not up to Thor or anything he knows/thinks he knows to decide whether or not he's worthy. It's Odin's frickin' spell, and it knows what's going on. :rant:
:goonsay:

Yes, but Odin doesn't know why it's not working because this is horrifically thought out and pretty much done to build up a mystery and almost everyone's been massively out of character for it. because apparently the Hammer has its own spirit and personality.

Ignite Memories
Feb 27, 2005

I'M JUST SAYING, IT'S A REALLY OLD HAMMER

Horrible Taste
Oct 12, 2012

Onmi posted:

Like the actual hint in Unworthy 2 is Thor has a dream sequence where upon he's being crushed by Mjollnir's and then the God Butcher shows up and says "You're afraid I was right"

EDIT: Actual dialog

" 'What if they really are better off without us' Thor wondered in fear, even as he swung his mighty hammer. 'What if a Godless Age is what they deserve?' 'What if Gorr isn't a madman at all' 'Gods help us, what if he's...'"

So yeah, intent seems to be that the whisper is related to Gods being obsolete... Which is loving dumb.

But that dialog is originally from the God-Butcher arc during Thor and Gorr's fight. He was still worthy after that.

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

Horrible Taste posted:

But that dialog is originally from the God-Butcher arc during Thor and Gorr's fight. He was still worthy after that.

Yes but why is he dreaming of that being crushed by many Mjollnir's if it doesn't have something to do with it? And. at the least, then we can go "Jane got the hammer because she's a human and not a God." Which is still retarded, but if you don't think the answer to this whisper ISN'T going to be Retarded... You have more faith than I do.

Ignite Memories
Feb 27, 2005

Onmi posted:

Yes but why is he dreaming of that being crushed by many Mjollnir's if it doesn't have something to do with it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAHnXnU7RMI&t=109s

Horrible Taste
Oct 12, 2012

Onmi posted:

Yes but why is he dreaming of that being crushed by many Mjollnir's if it doesn't have something to do with it? And. at the least, then we can go "Jane got the hammer because she's a human and not a God." Which is still retarded, but if you don't think the answer to this whisper ISN'T going to be Retarded... You have more faith than I do.

Oh, I know the answer will be retarded as hell and I have no faith in Aaron writing a competent answer. There's no way that it'll be worth the 2 1/2 years that it's dragged on.

Duke Igthorn
Oct 11, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Spider-Man has "lost" his powers at least two times because he didn't "feel" like he deserved them so superheroes having psychosomatic power troubles IS cannon.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

I HEX YE!!!


Has he actually tried to pick Mjolner up in the last few years?

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
Fury told odinson he's been a slavemaster since taking the hammer

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat
Fury said the same thing Bill Murray did at the end of Lost in Translation.

CannonFodder
Jan 26, 2001

Passion’s Wrench

BROCK LESBIAN posted:

Fury said the same thing Bill Murray did at the end of Lost in Translation.

"Wait till next year"


Well this was finally the year, now what?

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
It wasn't something Fury said, it was his hot insistent wet probing tongue gently entering Thor Odinson's ear, tracing every crevice softly, gently, and the little nip of the earlobe at the end

THEN it was, that Thor Odinson became gay, and unworthy

graham cracker
Mar 8, 2004

"There is no God! Right, Mama?"

"True."


Fury actually said "Stop. Hammertime."

Thor just misheard him.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

graham cracker posted:

Fury actually said "Stop. Hammertime."

Thor just misheard him.

He just wanted to try and relate to his son and get into this 'hippity hop' the kids listen to.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

Gaz-L posted:

He just wanted to try and relate to his son and get into this 'hippity hop' the kids listen to.

Has there ever been an arc dealing with Thor probably having populated thousands of demigods around Scandinavia through the ages

EvilJay
Jul 25, 2005
Does Odinson know Jane is This yet? I can't remember at this point.

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat

site posted:

Has there ever been an arc dealing with Thor probably having populated thousands of demigods around Scandinavia through the ages

Thor: The Paternity is a mini I could get behind. Especially if it shows him picking up ladies.

"Hey girl is your rear end the end of the world? Cause it Ragnaroks."

Edit: "Excuse me, can I introduce you to the Midgard Serpent?"

Push El Burrito fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Dec 9, 2016

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

me omw 2 steal ur girl

CannonFodder posted:

"Wait till next year"


Well this was finally the year, now what?

Nick Fury leans in close and whispers

"hashtag maga"

Ferrule
Feb 23, 2007

Yo!
This all makes me ask two things:

One - when did Mjolnir suddenly become sentient? I've seen folks post about this in the past. Just curious when the all happened.

Two - how come Jane Foster, a human, is suddenly transformed into a god? I mean, this just kinda came into my head. Thor (Odinson) is a god and he wields a magic hammer giving him even more power. But he's a god (or magical Asgardian, whatever hand-wave). So he's tough even without Mjjjornilir. But since when does the hammer have the ability to turn a normal whatever into a god? Is it a radioactive hammer giving the proportionate strength and speed of a stone hammer to it's worthy weirder? Where did this new ability of the hammer come from? The whole Don Blake thing was a disguise - not empowering a human, no matter how worthy - with this power.

bobkatt013
Oct 8, 2006

You’re telling me Peter Parker is ...... Spider-man!?

Ferrule posted:

This all makes me ask two things:

Two - how come Jane Foster, a human, is suddenly transformed into a god? I mean, this just kinda came into my head. Thor (Odinson) is a god and he wields a magic hammer giving him even more power. But he's a god (or magical Asgardian, whatever hand-wave). So he's tough even without Mjjjornilir. But since when does the hammer have the ability to turn a normal whatever into a god? Is it a radioactive hammer giving the proportionate strength and speed of a stone hammer to it's worthy weirder? Where did this new ability of the hammer come from? The whole Don Blake thing was a disguise - not empowering a human, no matter how worthy - with this power.

1983 with Beta Ray Bill!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Ray_Bill

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

Ferrule posted:

This all makes me ask two things:

One - when did Mjolnir suddenly become sentient? I've seen folks post about this in the past. Just curious when the all happened.

Two - how come Jane Foster, a human, is suddenly transformed into a god? I mean, this just kinda came into my head. Thor (Odinson) is a god and he wields a magic hammer giving him even more power. But he's a god (or magical Asgardian, whatever hand-wave). So he's tough even without Mjjjornilir. But since when does the hammer have the ability to turn a normal whatever into a god? Is it a radioactive hammer giving the proportionate strength and speed of a stone hammer to it's worthy weirder? Where did this new ability of the hammer come from? The whole Don Blake thing was a disguise - not empowering a human, no matter how worthy - with this power.

1. On October 19th.

quote:

Ages ago, an unimaginably powerful cosmic storm called the God Tempest approached Asgard. Called the "Mother of Thunder," the storm possessed the power to knock planets out of their orbit and make black holes shake. Odin, chief of the Norse gods, battled the storm for many days when it threatened Asgard. Once the storm was weakened enough, Odin defeated the God Tempest by trapping it into a chunk of Uru that was given to him by the Dwarves of Nidavellir as a gift.

2. Understand that the hammer has... changed how exactly it works over the years. In the beginning Donald Blake was a human man who turned into a super hero with the hammer. Then it was revealed he was Actually Thor and all that. Basically, where the Hammer sits now is sort of just a mid-point of how it worked. Now it bestows "The Powers of Thor" even though that doesn't really make much sense since Thor didn't derive his powers from the hammer until very recently. In short. It's magic. Ain't gotta explain poo poo. There are examples of it in the past. Erik Masterson who later became Thunderstrike was Thor for a while (After being merged with Thor). It worked that way when Beta Ray Bill was first introduced, later Bill got Stormbringer which has "Energy Projection" to simulate the lightning.

There are also examples of the Hammer absolutely not working that way, but as with all things Comic Books, you can basically pick and choose.

Android Blues
Nov 22, 2008

Donald Blake wasn't originally just a disguise. In early Thor, he was an existing person that Odin had shunted Thor into, which is really weird ethically if you think about it, but I don't think 60's Thor concerned itself with this much. That got retconned later to Blake having been a mortal disguise devised by Odin who had never been anything but a shell for an amnesiac Thor, but originally (when the "if he be worthy..." thing was written), Blake was an actual mortal whose body was transformed by the hammer.

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Ferrule
Feb 23, 2007

Yo!

Already a genetically modified warrior, pre-hammer. Not a doctor. With cancer. Who's dying.

EDIT for clarification:

I meant "when in comics did the hammer become sentient?" Like, point me to that arc or whatever. Sorry.

And as for my second question...yeesh, I forgot about Thunderstrike. Sorry all.

Ferrule fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Dec 10, 2016

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