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Pistol_Pete posted:I could go on but the whole book is like this. I love the image of the peasant venturing a few fields too far from home, becoming hopelessly lost and wandering the country forever. this is what I was taught in my AP european high school history class this was only six years ago.
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Stairmaster posted:this is what I was taught in my AP european high school history class I just can't stop picturing Tony Robinson's Baldrick from Blackadder 2 now.
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quote:The bomb is carried on specially adapted Lancaster aircraft. The striking velocity of the bomb, when released at an altitude of 18000 feet, and an air speed of 200 mph, is stated at 1,097 ft/sec at which speed it has developed a rotational velocity of 300 rpm. 
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Darkman Fanpage posted:I haven't read AWLOBF, so I don't know if the author actually has evidence for it or not So aside from the fact that what you said is prima facie dumb, you could also have looked at the book's Wikipedia and found out this dude assembled his evidence exclusively from secondary sources lmao
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SeanBeansShako posted:So I finally got around to my Crimean War 101 by finishing Trevor Royle's history of the conflict. My favourite thing about the Crimean War is how the British had forgotten how small their army was and had to go around the empire scrounging up functional soldiers to send over and faff about. Stairmaster posted:this is what I was taught in my AP european high school history class God, AP is such a loving joke. Slim Jim Pickens fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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HEY GAL posted:ww1--that was ALL PRO SEXMAN's best bud and true hero niall fergueson Why do you hate me so much, HEY GAL?
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:My favourite thing about the Crimean War is how the British had forgotten how small their army was and had to go around the empire scrounging up functional soldiers to send over and faff about. It was more of a case of 'holy poo poo, we really should have been more aware about taking care of our sick/wounded!' as death due to disease and injury hit the smaller force of British soldiers constantly. But yeah, the size of the force really didn't help and they forgot that the glories of the Napoleonic Wars were shared with the Spanish/Prussians/Portugal. The need for new men was so bad they had to revive the Foreign Legions once more and this led to a 2nd incident that pissed the United States government off that could have led to conflict in a less sane world. The experienced soldiers fought well in the land battles of the more active phase but the problem being of course is that dead soldiers stay dead. The French Army on the other hand had twice the amount of soldiers and were more prepared in treating the wounded. Both armies however simply had the poo poo kicked out of them by disease and inefficient management/command. Also, Mary Seacole and William Howard Russel are still amazing. Also, major props to the Russian Engineers during the siege. They kept that poo poo up until they were constantly being bombarded by an obscene amount of weaponry. SeanBeansShako fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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HEY GAL posted:niall fergueson this dude is hilarious. I watched his Netflix special about how Britain could have just sat out of WWI and then been best EU buds with Imperial Germany, which was 40 minutes of highly produced graphics and him lecturing. And then at the end even the general audience he had in the studio was like "none of this makes any sense"
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The title of my lecture today will be "Check out my sweet loving LP of Darkest Hour: Kasierreich."
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OwlFancier posted:The title of my lecture today will be "Check out my sweet loving LP of Darkest Hour: Kasierreich." "World War 2: How Hitler Could Have Done It - Featuring Hearts of Iron IV"
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OwlFancier posted:The title of my lecture today will be "Check out my sweet loving LP of Darkest Hour: Kasierreich." gently caress, I have a save half way through turning China into a Republic. I stopped just after beating up some rebels with mountain infantry. Sometime I should go back and continue saving China.
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PittTheElder posted:this dude is hilarious. I watched his Netflix special about how Britain could have just sat out of WWI and then been best EU buds with Imperial Germany, which was 40 minutes of highly produced graphics and him lecturing. And then at the end even the general audience he had in the studio was like "none of this makes any sense" Funny thing is, Niall Ferguson on WWI is actually at his best, insofar as its a subject on which he has done some real grownup research, and managed to reach a conclusion that isn't just retrofitted to his political idealogy. Books like Civilisation are much, much worse.
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Mr Enderby posted:Niall Ferguson... at his best This is a contradiction in terms. Also the last month has proved that Spengler may have had a point after all.
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Mr Enderby posted:Funny thing is, Niall Ferguson on WWI is actually at his best, insofar as its a subject on which he has done some real grownup research, and managed to reach a conclusion that isn't just retrofitted to his political idealogy. Books like Civilisation are much, much worse. incorrect: his book on the rothschilds is the only good thing he ever did.
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Mr Enderby posted:Funny thing is, Niall Ferguson on WWI is actually at his best, insofar as its a subject on which he has done some real grownup research, and managed to reach a conclusion that isn't just retrofitted to his political idealogy. Nah mate he's kind of talking entirely through his hoop on that one, hth
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Trin Tragula posted:Nah mate he's kind of talking entirely through his hoop on that one, hth Not denying that, I'm just saying as weird as his conclusion on that subject, at least he's attempting to do history, not just political propaganda.
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HEY GAL posted:we should Let's Read it I'm down.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:This is a contradiction in terms. That being? I'm not familiar off the top of my head.
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Let's Read Let's Read Let's Read
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Oh by the way, the new series of TIME COMMANDERS starts at 9PM this monday on BBC4. It'll be on iPlayer later. The host is Greg Wallace. Yes. The Chef. I dunno why.
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JcDent posted:Let's Read Someone do this, or I'll have to do it and I'm no where near as smart or knowledgeable as the rest of the thread and it won't be any good. However, just going off the title, I feel like it's worth mentioning that it's not even true. The medieval world was not in fact lit only by fire. The had this amazing technology called the sun.
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I understand how this book came to be ( sloppy research from incompetent amateur who didn't give a poo poo) but what I really want to know is why it was such a success and why it is widely used in classrooms. Like is it tapping into some unconscious desire to distance ourselves from the past by asserting everyone born before 1500 was naked and barely sentient? Does it just fit so comfortably into the traditional Rome>Dark Ages>Renaissance narrative that the goofier assertions slide by unchallenged?
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well...yeah. for one thing, those fuckers were catholic and mainstream american culture decidedly is not. for another, the book supports the myth of progress, that everything gets better the later it happens, which americans love. there's all sorts of reasons.
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SeanBeansShako posted:That is true, but what if you know about incidents like that terrible US Civil War historian that got publically dumped by HEY GAL's friend and can't keep a straight face trying to read the stuff? link to this?
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It was WW1 and ALL-PRO-SEXMAN.
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Adding my voice to the growing chant of "Let's Read". Also, what's the average experience level in this thread? As a newcomer who's a 19 year old college kid I feel pretty out of my depth, it seems like half of you could be my professors.
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quote:Professional historians, however, have dismissed or ignored the book because of its numerous factual errors and its dependence on interpretations that have not been accepted by experts since the 1930s at the latest. In a review for Speculum, the journal of the Medieval Academy of America, Jeremy duQuesnay Adams remarked that Manchester’s work contained "some of the most gratuitous errors of fact and eccentricities of judgment this reviewer has read (or heard) in quite some time."[3] In particular, Adams pointed out that Manchester's claims about diet, clothing, and medieval people's views of time and their sense of self all ran counter to the conclusions of 20th-century historians of the Middle Ages. Manchester’s views on the transition from medieval to modern civilization, though they were popular in the 19th and early 20th century (and still are current in some segments of contemporary culture), have long been rejected by professional scholars in the relevant fields. Despite this, the book is often taught at the beginning of College Board's AP European History class.[4] lol AP
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Crazycryodude posted:Adding my voice to the growing chant of "Let's Read". Also, what's the average experience level in this thread? As a newcomer who's a 19 year old college kid I feel pretty out of my depth, it seems like half of you could be my professors. This is true of a few people (Hey Gal, Cyrano, Grand Fromage, and Rodrigo Diaz come to main) who are actively involved in historical research and/or teaching, but most of us are just armchair historians who read a lot.
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Baron Porkface posted:How does a city with half a million or more people like Leningrad or Aleppo stay besieged for years without everyone running out of food and dying within 3 months or so? Leningrad could be resupplied, It was tragically very difficult though.
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brugroffil posted:lol AP I aced the AP Euro Exam as a wee lad. I didn't actually take a class, just crammed with a cheap review guide and poo poo out an essay about the Zollverein. I'm now really glad I dodged that one.
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I think I found a complete copy of AWLOBF on Google and hoo boy does this look fun.quote:THE DARK AGES were stark in every dimension. Famines and plague, culminating in the Black Death and its recurring pandemics, repeatedly thinned the population. Rickets afflicted the survivors. Extraordinary climatic changes brought storms and floods which turned into major disasters because the empire’s drainage system, like most of the imperial infrastructure, was no longer functioning. It says much about the Middle Ages that in the year 1500, after a thousand years of neglect, the roads built by the Romans were still the best on the continent. Most others were in such a state of disrepair that they were unusable; so were all European harbors until the eighth century, when commerce again began to stir. Among the lost arts was bricklaying; in all of Germany, England, Holland, and Scandinavia, virtually no stone buildings, except cathedrals, were raised for ten centuries. The serfs’ basic agricultural tools were picks, forks, spades, rakes, scythes, and balanced sickles. Because there was very little iron, there were no wheeled plowshares with moldboards. The lack of plows was not a major problem in the south, where farmers could pulverize light Mediterranean soils, but the heavier earth in northern Europe had to be sliced, moved, and turned by hand. Although horses and oxen were available, they were of limited use. The horse collar, harness, and stirrup did not exist until about A.D. 900. Therefore tandem hitching was impossible. Peasants labored harder, sweated more, and collapsed from exhaustion more often than their animals chitoryu12 fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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a guy wrote a book on medieval European history and apparently never heard of castles, one of the, like, 2 things every Westerner knows about medieval European history.
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Also his justification for peasants walking around naked in the summer is that medieval people had no sense of self, or ego. Everyone but nobles went around with just a single name, with a nickname if they needed further identification, and would just take a surname from their occupation if necessary. He believes that the casual "anything goes" spelling utilized was due to medieval people literally not giving enough of a poo poo about their identity in the mortal world to care. As such, they had so little care for themselves as individuals that they also had no sense of privacy and would go dicks out whenever they felt like it.
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He said that "prosperous peasants" lived in a single room in a large building that also included the farm animals' pens and feed storage, and everyone in the family slept on a communal bed of vermin-filled straw and even had sex among everyone else. Travelers who stayed the night would be invited to sleep in the pile. Meanwhile, the regular peasants slept on the bare dirt and spend 1/3 of their lives in famine so severe that they'd have to sell all their belongings and live naked for a while until they could buy clothes, and travelers, strangers, and execution victims would regularly be cannibalized. He also somehow thinks that dinner was always at 10:00 AM and supper at 5:00 PM despite peasants living entirely outside of time. This is a rabbit hole worth reviewing.
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Crazycryodude posted:Adding my voice to the growing chant of "Let's Read". Also, what's the average experience level in this thread? As a newcomer who's a 19 year old college kid I feel pretty out of my depth, it seems like half of you could be my professors. BA in history and two decades' random reading. Don't worry, you'll get there 
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xthetenth posted:That being? I'm not familiar off the top of my head. It's packaged with a lot of the usual turn-of-the-century German volkisch and agrarian-romantic angst and fear of non-European cultures (even though Spengler loving hated the Nazis) but his central premise is broadly speaking that civilizations have a life cycle and that the final stage before ruin is idiotic decadence and the triumph of demagogues. Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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