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Kikas: Oct 30, 2012

Love the sweater on Bonnie in the illustration. Also Jacket not understanding which holiday is this :allears:

# ? Dec 8, 2016 22:40

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spit on my clit: Jul 19, 2015; by Cyrano4747

what the hell is with the escape on this heist

# ? Dec 8, 2016 23:02

RandallODim: Dec 30, 2010; Another 1? Aww man...

Kikas posted:

Love the sweater on Bonnie in the illustration. Also Jacket not understanding which holiday is this

Jimmy's a snowman.

# ? Dec 8, 2016 23:05

22 Eargesplitten: Oct 10, 2010

How does this look for an Anarchist LBV build using a Loco and either an AMR-16 or Raven, all with silencers? My main concern is once you put the DMR kit on the AMR it has jack for ammo. It would be nice to be able to stick Fully loaded on there, but there are just no points for it. I need one more infamy for it, and the final Anarchist skill. It just doesn't without that constant armor boost. The stability boosts are kind of useless for shotguns, but the AMR seems like it can really use it.

http://pd2weapons.com/l/83bc40436d6f59e9e126fd8bb5a1955e

# ? Dec 9, 2016 00:01

Mystic Stylez: Dec 19, 2009

Mystic Stylez fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Dec 15, 2016

# ? Dec 9, 2016 00:13

Legit Businessman: Sep 2, 2007

Yes. Pretty much any weapon can be used to murder cops on ovk.

# ? Dec 9, 2016 00:30

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Crabtree posted:

Now its just trying to keep 10 civvies alive around a tree with plenty of corners and floors for tasers to sit and be

Absolutely go for it on normal. The group I was with did it with a ton of sentries.

# ? Dec 9, 2016 00:38

Legit Businessman: Sep 2, 2007

In 2.5 hours from this post, we will be tackling euro bag simulator, and then 1d cheevos. We have 2 spots left.

# ? Dec 9, 2016 00:41

Psion: Dec 13, 2002; eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS

I'm surprised it's not 3 spots left, because gross :v:

# ? Dec 9, 2016 00:46

THE CHORSE: May 17, 2005; CHORSY MOOMS CHORSE JEEF

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

wat

Drewjitsu posted:

euro bag simulator

# ? Dec 9, 2016 01:35

Shooting Blanks: Jun 6, 2007; Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade

Drewjitsu posted:

In 2.5 hours from this post, we will be tackling euro bag simulator, and then 1d cheevos. We have 2 spots left.

Need 1D stuff but going to be eating then. If at 9PM CST there's room for 1 I will jump in.

# ? Dec 9, 2016 01:43

UnknownMercenary: Nov 1, 2011; I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD

The new map is great.

https://gfycat.com/NextResponsibleIceblueredtopzebra

# ? Dec 9, 2016 01:58

Psion: Dec 13, 2002; eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS

Not carrying a single beta improvement over to the main branch, on the other hand, is awful. New map is good though, so whoever made it deserves some good feedback, but maybe they could fix the balance problems already? Feels like it's taking a lot longer than usual from previous "classic Overkill blunder -> fixing it" cycles.

Psion fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Dec 9, 2016

# ? Dec 9, 2016 05:47

spit on my clit: Jul 19, 2015; by Cyrano4747

mayhem's still hosed

# ? Dec 9, 2016 05:50

UnknownMercenary: Nov 1, 2011; I LIKE IT
WAY WAY TOO LOUD

Psion posted:

Not carrying a single beta improvement over to the main branch, on the other hand, is awful. New map is good though, so whoever made it deserves some good feedback, but maybe they could fix the balance problems already? Feels like it's taking a lot longer than usual from previous "classic Overkill blunder -> fixing it" cycles.

It is shockingly inept how Overkill, instead of fixing the handful of balance issues it had before, created a shitload of more issues with a single change and is going about fixing those problems in the most obtuse way possible.

# ? Dec 9, 2016 15:42

John Murdoch: May 19, 2009; I can tune a fish.

Speaking of!

quote:

Beta changes

Hitman - Tooth and Claw - Armor now recover after 1.5 seconds instead of 5.
Cavity 9 mm - Changed to DMR assault rifle sub type ( damage is increased from 65 to 160 )
Cavity 9 mm - Accuracy reduced by 8
Cavity 9 mm - Concealment increased by 2
Cavity 9 mm - Ammo capacity from 99 to 66
Broomstick - Damage from 37 to 65
Broomstick - Ammo from 150 to 90
Broomstick - Accuracy from 44 to 80
Broomstick - Rof from 480 yo 361
Broomstick - Precision Barrel - Damage from -3 to +110
Broomstick - Precision Barrel - accuracy from +12 to -8
Broomstick - Precision Barrel - stability from +4 to +8
Broomstick - Precision Barrel - Ammo cap is now reduced by 45
Fire axe, Spear, Gold Fever, Great Sword, Ice Pick, Pitch Fork, katana and Chain Whip went from 70(450) to 30(200)
Brawler - Bloodthirst - Now stacks up to 1600% instead of 300%
GSPS 12G - Ammo from 42 to 28
GSPS 12G - Damage from 90 to 155
Police can only use flashbangs every 15 seconds (instead of 4)

??????

# ? Dec 9, 2016 17:30

Psion: Dec 13, 2002; eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS

I'm glad the beta fork is back at least but I'm not glad to see them trying to fix symptoms instead of problems.

also, the Broomstick, wtf. Who even uses that, ever? I'm not even going to start on the Cavity.

# ? Dec 9, 2016 17:39

FAUXTON: Jun 2, 2005; spero che tu stia bene

Psion posted:

I'm glad the beta fork is back at least but I'm not glad to see them trying to fix symptoms instead of problems.

also, the Broomstick, wtf. Who even uses that, ever? I'm not even going to start on the Cavity.

I remember the Cavity being pretty boss like when they put it in the game, but they also put the ~~buzzer~~ TICKLE STICK in and it completely overshadowed the Cavity.

# ? Dec 9, 2016 17:45

Dr Cheeto: Mar 2, 2013; Wretched Harp

The Broomstick's precision barrel reduces accuracy in the beta?

The Cavity being a proper DMR is great, though.

# ? Dec 9, 2016 17:54

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

FAUXTON posted:

I remember the Cavity being pretty boss like when they put it in the game, but they also put the ~~buzzer~~ TICKLE STICK in and it completely overshadowed the Cavity.

you are confusing the Nova's Shank for the Cavity. the Cavity is a 9mm shooty iron.

# ? Dec 9, 2016 17:55

Dr Cheeto: Mar 2, 2013; Wretched Harp

Coolguye posted:

you are confusing the Nova's Shank for the Cavity. the Cavity is a 9mm shooty iron.

The cavity and buzzer were both released with the Golden Grin, and though the cavity was a pretty great gun at the time everyone understandably focused their attention on the thing that let you tase tasers and stop charging cloakers.

That's how I read Faux's comment anyhow

# ? Dec 9, 2016 18:01

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Why do they keep making swat flashbangs weaker? I could understand if it was per difficulty, but every 15 seconds makes them a total nonissue.

# ? Dec 9, 2016 18:05

Psion: Dec 13, 2002; eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS

Dr Cheeto posted:

The Broomstick's precision barrel reduces accuracy in the beta?

I just checked, it does.

# ? Dec 9, 2016 18:05

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

Discendo Vox posted:

Why do they keep making swat flashbangs weaker? I could understand if it was per difficulty, but every 15 seconds makes them a total nonissue.

ostensibly to make stun resistance less of an absolutely vital skill, potentially as a larger push to make cops use them more intelligently instead of just pooping one out for vaguely definable reasons.

# ? Dec 9, 2016 18:07

22 Eargesplitten: Oct 10, 2010

I don't think Overkill understands the word "precision".

# ? Dec 9, 2016 18:07

Sykic: Feb 9, 2004; Resist! Humanity demands it! Resist!

Discendo Vox posted:

Why do they keep making swat flashbangs weaker? I could understand if it was per difficulty, but every 15 seconds makes them a total nonissue.

We'll soon find out the flash lasts 14.9 seconds with Resilience Ace.

# ? Dec 9, 2016 18:08

22 Eargesplitten: Oct 10, 2010

The broomstick seems like it could be pretty okay as an alternative to the bronco. Especially since it can take a suppressor to go up to 220 damage or something before pistol skills. I'm not sure, though. It also depends on whether they remember to nerf the pickup rate.

26 concealment seems on the low end for a dodge build once you factor in the+1 from the suppressor concealment skill and the -3 from the barrel, though.

# ? Dec 9, 2016 18:17

Dr Cheeto: Mar 2, 2013; Wretched Harp

22 Eargesplitten posted:

It also depends on whether they remember to nerf the pickup rate.

Most guns just use the base total ammo count to calculate pickup, there isn't a separate variable they'd need to change in this case.

# ? Dec 9, 2016 18:23

chairface: Oct 28, 2007; No matter what you believe, I don't believe in you.

John Murdoch posted:

Fire axe, Spear, Gold Fever, Great Sword, Ice Pick, Pitch Fork, katana and Chain Whip went from 70(450) to 30(200)

Wtf don't nerf my katana you jackasses. Melee already was Not Good. I'm gonna wind up packing a buzzer on OVK if they actually nerf swords that drat bad. :argh:

# ? Dec 9, 2016 18:45

AAAAA! Real Muenster: Jul 12, 2008; My QB is also named Bort

Discendo Vox posted:

Why do they keep making swat flashbangs weaker? I could understand if it was per difficulty, but every 15 seconds makes them a total nonissue.

Because they are annoying as gently caress. Dont you remember me bitching the other night when I spent a good 2-3 solid minutes flashbanged? It was a miracle I didnt go into custody a number of times because I was standing around like an idiot on OD, blind.

# ? Dec 9, 2016 19:24

spit on my clit: Jul 19, 2015; by Cyrano4747

Discendo Vox posted:

Why do they keep making swat flashbangs weaker? I could understand if it was per difficulty, but every 15 seconds makes them a total nonissue.

just flashed back to yesterday during santa mayhem when i was flashbanged for a total of two minutes and then immediately getting flashbanged again

cant think of a reason why

# ? Dec 9, 2016 19:35

Psion: Dec 13, 2002; eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS

Dr Cheeto posted:

Most guns just use the base total ammo count to calculate pickup, there isn't a separate variable they'd need to change in this case.

This is true of most guns but DMR kits require special calculation because they would otherwise use the non-DMR ammo totals (and given how DMRs work, have very good pickup) - unless that changed in the last patch or three, that is.

like, in terms of the lua code, a DMR kit is a fairly extensive modification of an existing gun's stats. It's not a whole new weapon with a whole new pickup calculation. Take the AMR-16 for example: base ammo 90, which is true even when the DMR kit is equipped. Unless you specify "also recalculate ammo pickup rate after equipping the DMR kit" it will still use base 90 when calculating pickup rates.

Here's some old lua which demonstrates this:

code:

	tweak_data.weapon.factory.wpn_fps_ass_m16.override = {
		wpn_fps_upg_ass_m4_b_beowulf = {
			stats = {
				value = 1,
				spread = 1,
				recoil = -14,
				total_ammo_mod = -6,
				damage = 125,
				concealment = -4
			},
			custom_stats = {ammo_pickup_min_mul = 0.8, ammo_pickup_max_mul = 0.8}
		},
	}

The stats object (this is for the AMR DMR kit) has all the changes to base stats which make up the DMR kit: accuracy, stability, total ammo modifier, all that) - but pickup rate isn't modified unless you also include specific ammo pickup multipliers, in this case the custom_stats line. Overkill has forgotten that line in the past.

It's a reasonable mistake; only DMR kits need you to recalculate ammo pickup like that, and there are a ton of guns without DMR kits compared to the number with them. I didn't know I had to do it when I first started editing stats either :shrug:

this also works in the reverse: if you give a gun more base ammo you also need to explicitly tell it to recalculate pickup based on the new, higher total as well.

Psion fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Dec 9, 2016

# ? Dec 9, 2016 19:38

evilmiera: Dec 14, 2009; Can't post for 6 hours!

Just sat through a lecture by a Starbreeze guy today, and Payday 2 was mentioned a whole lot.

Just know that the dev team and Starbreeze themselves love you guys a lot, no BS.

# ? Dec 9, 2016 19:42