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Grognan posted:Establishment Independent independent that just happens to caucus and fall in line with the DNC
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:neoliberalism has a specific definition related to economic policy, but I forget the specifics The specifics is that the best means to achieve social progress is by encouraging it through the private sector of the economy. The premise is that corporations and NGOs are better at addressing the needs of populace at practically every level and the government should just be there to support their projects and campaigns.
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He falls in line with the base, not the DNC.
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my use of neoliberal is short hand for "business-and-finance friendly, always tries for market-backed solutions, more concerned about inflation than unemployment, hostile to regulation, tax decreasing, and obsessed with increasing globalization regardless of its human cost." since I don't feel like typing that out every time I'm going to consider using the dreaded "n-word"
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loquacius posted:This is the most likely reason Schumer jumped on the Keith train so quick i would suggest it's pretty likely that schumer (and other senior democrats) recruited ellison. i think it's more that the democrats are an opposition party and revving up the activist base and bringing the party back together again after a brutal election year is vital in order to mount resistance to the gop's efforts to dismantle the government. everyone itt imagines there is a war in the democratic party between the centrist Establishment, lead by the nefarious and shadowy Billionaire Donors, and the true-blue Progressives lead by Sen. Sanders. there's no war or struggle, there isn't gonna be some kind of purge. the real democratic party is a lot more boring than this game of thrones poo poo. the dnc chair and the democrats are going to throw a lot of poo poo at the gop over the next couple of years and the left is gonna love it, because it's really easy to fling poo poo when you're the minority and don't really have to worry about governing. and when democrats re-take power, it'll go back to the way it was - a democratic party with a majority of left and center-left members and a faction of centrist dems in marginal seats who will flex their muscles to block progressive bills unless they get their due.
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Also 2020 is dead. https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/807271756499140608
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:my use of neoliberal is short hand for "business-and-finance friendly, always tries for market-backed solutions, more concerned about inflation than unemployment, hostile to regulation, tax decreasing, and obsessed with increasing globalization regardless of its human cost." since I don't feel like typing that out every time I'm going to consider using the dreaded "n-word" Yeah I don't see why it's such a bad thing to have a catch-all word for Dem politicians who are like this because there are plenty of them.
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Nonsense posted:Also 2020 is dead. I look forward to bill mitchell's column in the NYT
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Yaaas! Slay!
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Neo-liberalism is an economic position that emphasizes, in its current incarnation, free trade and deregulation of domestic finance and industry, plus the sort of third-way stuff the Clinton administration pulled back in the 90s. While it's not therefore necessarily wrong to call Hillary herself a neo-liberal, since she was knee-deep in that stuff back then and hasn't changed her relative stances overmuch, most often when it gets brought up in CSPAM it's just someone slagging on disappointing Democrats by trying to call them the centrist equivalent of the neo-cons of the W era. That's because neoconservatives and neoliberals are effectively the same thing. They both want to cede all economic matters to Capital, wage stupid wars etc. The only difference lies in a superficial social agenda.
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MaxxBot posted:Yaaas! Slay! jake sullivan got it right, says jake sullivan's friends.
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Concerned Citizen posted:jake sullivan got it right, says jake sullivan's friends. 
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Nonsense posted:Also 2020 is dead. b..but... we gotta hear both sides...
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Digiwizzard posted:That's because neoconservatives and neoliberals are effectively the same thing. They both want to cede all economic matters to Capital, wage stupid wars etc. The only way to differentiate them is a superficial social agenda. I was going to point out that while a neolib will be doing war things in other countries, so far we have not completely occupied another country yet. Small and silly difference but important to a veteran's perspective.
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HorseRenoir posted:b..but... we gotta hear both sides... The truth is always in the middle, and if there is no middle then by god we'll create one.
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I look forward to the day* that someone working for Breitbart for the cynical paycheck just can't take it any more and breaks down halfway through a Real America = White America column to just start ranting THIS IS BULLSHIT FULL COMMUNISM NOW #RESIST ___ *Even if it will come only in my dreams, as seems likely
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Concerned Citizen posted:i would suggest it's pretty likely that schumer (and other senior democrats) recruited ellison. I agree with most of this. I'd also say that it's impossible right now to know where the Democratic Party needs to be at in four years. If Trump, as President, completely abdicates all presidential authority to Pence and others, as I think he will, theres the possibility of a huge backlash against his completely false progressive, populist appearance. I think what's left of the middle class is going to be far worse off in four years than they are now. That could be fertile ground for the Democrats in presidential politics.
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in a way that's strangely hopeful because it proves you can't buy an election
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Zikan posted:in a way that's strangely hopeful because it proves you can't buy an election 600 million dollars still
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or i may just be rationalizing the horror and shock at the complete incompetence of the clinton campaign
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radical meme posted:I agree with most of this. I'd also say that it's impossible right now to know where the Democratic Party needs to be at in four years. If Trump, as President, completely abdicates all presidential authority to Pence and others, as I think he will, theres the possibility of a huge backlash against his completely false progressive, populist appearance. I think what's left of the middle class is going to be far worse off in four years than they are now. That could be fertile ground for the Democrats in presidential politics. Why would Americans backlash against the government actually working to do things again, even if people find things to snipe at them about like this Carrier deal? 500 jobs? 1000? 2000? Who cares, he did something Obama would never have done (because Obama isn't an idiot)
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Zikan posted:in a way that's strangely hopeful because it proves you can't buy an election I was under the impression that the soft money numbers can never be truly known, that these are just official figures - i.e, no Koch money
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Nonsense posted:Why would Americans backlash against the government actually working to do things again, even if people find things to snipe at them about like this Carrier deal? 500 jobs? 1000? 2000? Who cares, he did something Obama would never have done (because Obama isn't an idiot) because people won't like what the country is doing. i mean if they actually like nuking medicare and social security, i guess we're all doomed anyway and we live in a right-wing country
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Nonsense posted:Why would Americans backlash against the government actually working to do things again, even if people find things to snipe at them about like this Carrier deal? 500 jobs? 1000? 2000? Who cares, he did something Obama would never have done (because Obama isn't an idiot) trump also had absolutely nothing to do with the carrier deal beyond talking about them a few times during the campaign. the Indiana state government (Mike Pence) did all the actual work, a prelude to the next 4-8 years trump will take credit for everything halfway good that happens anywhere in the world and get the media to bury all the awful poo poo by tweeting about Merkel's great rack
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Concerned Citizen posted:because people won't like what the country is doing You mean what those loser Democrats who are getting in the way of Making America Great Again are doing, which is why you should support Amendment 28, which outlaws the Democratic Party. Also we have your dog.
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Fullhouse posted:trump also had absolutely nothing to do with the carrier deal beyond talking about them a few times during the campaign. the Indiana state government (Mike Pence) did all the actual work, a prelude to the next 4-8 years I'm just hoping Trump's favorability numbers drop like a rock in February or something because they skyrocketed because of some fuckery Pence pulled off, I'm also worried the attention falls solely on Trump and Pence is able to maneuver out of the line of fire. He's the one ensuring a successful Republican administration win, the win denied to Dems, post-Trump.
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Digiwizzard posted:That's because neoconservatives and neoliberals are effectively the same thing. They both want to cede all economic matters to Capital, wage stupid wars etc. The only difference lies in a superficial social agenda. Eh Neoliberalism is economic policy, is more about free markets and free trade than regular (economic) liberalism Neoconservatism is foreign policy, endorses free markets and free trade abroad to spread empire/US-led globalization There's serious overlap between the two groups but I wouldn't call them the same thing. They just dovetail beautifully
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just don't call the upcoming revolution neocommunism that might not go over well neobernieism maybe
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The blacks, whether originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments both of body and mind. It is not against experience to suppose, that different species of the same genus, or varieties of the same species, may possess different qualifications. Thomas Jefferson america is rotten to its very core burn it all down imo and start from scratch Phi230 has issued a correction as of 21:30 on Dec 9, 2016 |
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Phi230 posted:The blacks, whether originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments both of body and mind. It is not against experience to suppose, that different species of the same genus, or varieties of the same species, may possess different qualifications. nearly every other major country on earth (except for the UK, gently caress them) has rewritten their founding laws and constitutional document in the past century. Ours is 230 years old
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Nonsense posted:Also 2020 is dead. They actually think Trump supporters read newspapers?
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Fullhouse posted:nearly every other major country on earth (except for the UK, gently caress them) has rewritten their founding laws and constitutional document in the past century. Ours is 230 years old its an affront to the our founders that we even kept the constitution around for so long
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Accretionist posted:Eh Economic Liberalism has been about free trade since the very beginning. The leftist economics you're thinking of is Socialism, and the Democrats have refused to touch it since Reagan.
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radical meme posted:They actually think Trump supporters read newspapers? They're trying to attract positive reinforcement from his twitter followers.
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Zikan posted:I look forward to bill mitchell's column in the NYT Washington Post Columnist S. E. Cupp
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Concerned Citizen posted:i would suggest it's pretty likely that schumer (and other senior democrats) recruited ellison. Lol and then climate change kills us all. You and the rest of the Shillary backers are hilarious
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Lol and then climate change kills us all. what the gently caress even is the point of this thread
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