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awesmoe posted:I've never resisted the temptation to start a war for 5 years regardless of speed. I got a fever and the only cure is to paint the world red with blood Play Buddhists. I'm doing a game as Pagarruyung (best start in Malaya tbqh). I've gone Exploration -> Quality -> Expansion -> Trade -> Naval for my idea groups. To me, maritime seems like the logical next idea group but I've only ever seen people deride it as a joke idea group. Is it really that? I'm almost entirely reliant on my navy and with quality, my army is more than capable of squashing the neighbours. I don't foresee a war with the European powers on land, maybe a fight with Japan so I can control the whole Pacific Ocean but they're way behind on military tech. Talk me out of this bad decision if it's really such a bad idea group.
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Baron Corbyn posted:Play Buddhists. If you get maritime you can finally confirm the thalassocracy 
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Dec 9, 2016 05:53
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Tsyni posted:If you get maritime you can finally confirm the thalassocracy Mainly I want to circumnavigate the world and it seems they've made that a lot harder to do with attrition since I got the achievement.
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Dec 9, 2016 05:54
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Fintilgin posted:I wish they'd play around with idea groups a bit more, beyond just rebalancing the lovely ones and the plutocratic/aristocratic split. Games are usually over by the time you can fill out 4 idea groups though, adding more is just unnecessary bloat.
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Dec 9, 2016 05:58
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The problem is maritime doesn't actually give you that much. The back half is decent, but the first ideas are pretty poor. Generally you're better off making more money and then improving your navy via building more boats.
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Jabor posted:The problem is maritime doesn't actually give you that much. The back half is decent, but the first ideas are pretty poor. I control the Malacca trade node so money isn't an issue. I considered economic ideas but I'm still making my way through expansion even with getting 13 admin points per month so I'm not sure another admin group makes sense.
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Dec 9, 2016 06:20
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Eej posted:Games are usually over by the time you can fill out 4 idea groups though, adding more is just unnecessary bloat. That depends what you consider over and what achievements/goals you're going for imo. Some of the tougher ones I've done have come down to the wire and I certainly felt that my later idea picks were still relevant.
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Dec 9, 2016 07:17
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awesmoe posted:anyway: janissaries - yes or no? I went with no (I didn't create them) but I think that's a bad call, since it looks pretty easy to avoid the disaster? The Janissary decadence disaster is trivially easy to avoid now, assuming you have Rights of Man, since you can choose from one of three heirs. If none of your three options have a 5+, just pick one and disinherit him, and you'll get the new heir event fairly soon. Just make sure you keep your prestige high. And you get the penalty until you disband the Janissaries.
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Dec 9, 2016 07:33
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Wafflecopper posted:That depends what you consider over and what achievements/goals you're going for imo. Some of the tougher ones I've done have come down to the wire and I certainly felt that my later idea picks were still relevant. I mean "over" in that your individual idea choices aren't as important in achieving your goals for that playthrough. I would say most cheevos fall under that general umbrella.
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Dec 9, 2016 08:14
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Truces seem very bugged in my current run: The truce says it ends on December, yet it ends on the 19th of November...  And the truce is still up.  It disappears 3 days later, for some reason 
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Dec 9, 2016 16:52
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Wafflecopper posted:That depends what you consider over and what achievements/goals you're going for imo. Some of the tougher ones I've done have come down to the wire and I certainly felt that my later idea picks were still relevant. It's a little disappointing that your later idea picks are going to end up less and less exciting, since you're going to start by picking the most interesting one, then the second-most, etc, and by the end of the game all you have are the dregs. Not an insanely high priority thing to 'fix', but it'd be nice.
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Dec 9, 2016 17:32
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Baron Corbyn posted:I control the Malacca trade node so money isn't an issue. I considered economic ideas but I'm still making my way through expansion even with getting 13 admin points per month so I'm not sure another admin group makes sense. Naval is good when you can't afford more boats than the opposition and is usually only used in multiplayer if someone *really* wants to rule the seas. In singleplayer, you never have any competition expanding at a similar rate to the player, so you can just throw more boats at everyone after the first 50-100 years.
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Dec 9, 2016 17:35
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Ran into a fun bug (?) during my Great Perm game, yesterday. I released Norway as a vassal since they're a colonizer; I was hoping they'd help me fill up Canada. They did colonize, but they went to Colombia instead, which in retrospect was probably for the best!  See, it turns out that vassals can have their own colonial nations. That's not unreasonable in itself, but what's odd is that your subjects' subjects don't count as your own subjects. That probably means that I'd have been out of luck for the Great Perm cheevo if there was a Norwegian Canada (until I broke vassalization & conquered them). I discovered this through another small effect, when to go in and clear out their rebels, I had to get military access from them, which took up a diplo slot as normal.  That would've been okay, too, would've just cost me a few diplo points for going over my relations limit... except that when I tried to cancel the military access, I couldn't.  See, I was in a war at the time, and wars call in both your subjects and your subjects' subjects, meaning that Norwegian Colombia was now my ally in a war. And since they had troops inside their own borders (right under the tooltip), I couldn't cancel military access with them, since my allies (them) had forces inside their borders... Thankfully the war was a quick one & I was able to cancel military access once it was over, but man, Paradox is really something.
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Dec 9, 2016 17:40
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PleasingFungus posted:Ran into a fun bug (?) during my Great Perm game, yesterday. That is a bit odd, but if you annexed them you should get their colonial nations.
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Dec 9, 2016 18:21
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Tsyni posted:That is a bit odd, but if you annexed them you should get their colonial nations. Fair point! I'd made them a march, they had ~200 development, and my rivals were constantly sabotaging my diplomatic reputation (even with diplomats dedicated to counterespionage!), all of which made annexing vassals a real pain... but you're right that it might still have been easier than releasing & re-conquering them, in the hypothetical necessity. Other fun from that game:  I guess my armies brought traders along with them? Funny that the Chinese are dictating terms under the circumstances, though...
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Dec 9, 2016 20:21
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Did you need to ask for military access? If they're your allies in war then you should already have military access
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PleasingFungus posted:It's a little disappointing that your later idea picks are going to end up less and less exciting, since you're going to start by picking the most interesting one, then the second-most, etc, and by the end of the game all you have are the dregs. Not an insanely high priority thing to 'fix', but it'd be nice. Might be fun to have ideas cheaper and come faster. Have some other mechanic late game
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Dec 9, 2016 23:16
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Fintilgin posted:Might be fun to have ideas cheaper and come faster. Have some other mechanic late game Obvious easy solution would be having different tiers of ideas which unlock with tech. You could throw in some really broken stuff if it only worked from 1750 or whatever.
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Dec 9, 2016 23:28
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RabidWeasel posted:Obvious easy solution would be having different tiers of ideas which unlock with tech. You could throw in some really broken stuff if it only worked from 1750 or whatever.
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Dec 9, 2016 23:42
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Most of my liking of national ideas is that they aren't your typical 50 branch 4x tech trees. Adding more would certainly fun to an extent (though what else can they really add without making up a bunch of new mechanics?) But you lose me once you start layering or branching. This really isn't that kind of game IMO.
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Dec 9, 2016 23:50
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QuarkJets posted:Did you need to ask for military access? If they're your allies in war then you should already have military access I might have asked for military access before the war started? You don't seem to automatically get military access from allies, though - earlier in that game, I was unable to go through Brandenburg to get to France after calling them in to my war until I'd explicitly asked them for military access.
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PleasingFungus posted:I might have asked for military access before the war started? You don't seem to automatically get military access from allies, though - earlier in that game, I was unable to go through Brandenburg to get to France after calling them in to my war until I'd explicitly asked them for military access. Is this maybe a day-1 travel issue? Calling an ally into a war usually takes at least a day, and the ability to actually travel through their territory may not kick in until the next month starts
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:This should be the future of ideas. *Monkey paw clenches a finger* Patch 1.2.0. Administrative and Religious can only be chosen after you have chosen 2 other Administrative idea groups Diplomatic and Influence can only be chosen after you have chosen 2 other Diplomatic idea groups Defensive, Quality, Offensive can only be chosen after you have already chosen 2 other Military idea groups
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PleasingFungus posted:I might have asked for military access before the war started? You don't seem to automatically get military access from allies, though - earlier in that game, I was unable to go through Brandenburg to get to France after calling them in to my war until I'd explicitly asked them for military access. I've had some weird access things happen. AI armies going into countries that they had no access to, and not being able to follow. An army being stuck and only able to go between a fort and neighboring province in a country I just peaced out -- and who was the only enemy -- until I got access from a neighbor and escaped there. AI armies not knowing which way they wanted to go and changing their mind every day. Granted, that one's been in various forms since forever. Seems most of these are new from the past patch or two.
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My only issue with that from the recent patch is that sometimes when I peace out with someone that isn't the war leader, one of my armies gets stuck in enemy territory and can only move between two provinces. The other armies get the black flag and can go wherever.
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Tsyni posted:My only issue with that from the recent patch is that sometimes when I peace out with someone that isn't the war leader, one of my armies gets stuck in enemy territory and can only move between two provinces. The other armies get the black flag and can go wherever. Eej posted:*Monkey paw clenches a finger* 
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I tried playing Mutapa recently but Kilwa came in immediately when they hit tech 3 and I just couldn't beat them. If I want to try them again, should I switch to mil focus immediately and see if I can get the tech upgrade before them?
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Dec 10, 2016 05:21
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Always MIL focus, at least outside of Europe.
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Mysticblade posted:I tried playing Mutapa recently but Kilwa came in immediately when they hit tech 3 and I just couldn't beat them. If I want to try them again, should I switch to mil focus immediately and see if I can get the tech upgrade before them? Mutapa has gold mines so you can smash Kilwa right from the start with mercs over force cap. Which you should probably do asap to weaken an annoying neighbor.
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Mysticblade posted:I tried playing Mutapa recently but Kilwa came in immediately when they hit tech 3 and I just couldn't beat them. If I want to try them again, should I switch to mil focus immediately and see if I can get the tech upgrade before them? yes, miltechs 2-5,7, and 12 are some of the strongest single military boosts a nation can get and should usually be prioritized as any nation but especially if any neighbor is ahead of you
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679 loving provinces, every one of them dutifully sunni, including Thatta (504), Córdoba (225), Constantinople (151), Baghdad (410), Mecca (385), Medina (384), Messina (124), Palermo (125), Dagestan (425), Damascus (382), Samarkand (454), Ifni (347), Aden (388) and Muscat (400), and I just realized I don't have the Star and Crescent dlc man
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awesmoe posted:679 loving provinces, every one of them dutifully sunni, including Thatta (504), Córdoba (225), Constantinople (151), Baghdad (410), Mecca (385), Medina (384), Messina (124), Palermo (125), Dagestan (425), Damascus (382), Samarkand (454), Ifni (347), Aden (388) and Muscat (400), and I just realized I don't have the Star and Crescent dlc I  'd
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:I I'm actually glad that Unify Islam is so annoying to activate since otherwise I would probably feel compelled to shell out for Star & Crescent (which would be bad since it's really lovely value for money as it's part of the deluxe edition crap) Eej posted:Mutapa has gold mines so you can smash Kilwa right from the start with mercs over force cap. Which you should probably do asap to weaken an annoying neighbor. This strat work really well, your starting ruler is also a fairly badass leader which helps. You also need to do mil focus if you start anywhere that has starting mil tech 2 but you can totally wreck Kilwa with mercs due to being so rich.
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PittTheElder posted:I I SAM'd that motherfucker with no shame whatsoever
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99% of all OPM or small country starts consist of "build over your force limit and smash your nearest neighbor as soon as you can"
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sloshmonger posted:I've had some weird access things happen. AI armies going into countries that they had no access to, and not being able to follow.
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Eej posted:99% of all OPM or small country starts consist of "build over your force limit and smash your nearest neighbor as soon as you can" Hey now, let's not forget "restart the game until you get the right combination of major powers rivalling each other so you can ally one.
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That only applies to like... Grenada and Byzantium starts off the top of my head. Which, of course, are super frustrating. e: probably also some random German OPMs but I never play that region
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Which of Brandenburg or Teutonic Order is a more fun country for forming Prussia these days? I'm leaning towards TO because I have so little experience with theocracies. Does Rights of Man add anything interesting for them?
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Eej posted:That only applies to like... Grenada and Byzantium starts off the top of my head. Which, of course, are super frustrating. Byz is actually very consistantly doable in the latest patch with just Albania + 2 (wallachia / serbia / bosnia, or even candar or trebizond will work) as allies. The AI will repeatedly attack your 5/5 general in mountains which lets you crush them in spite of the huge disparity in raw strength. Though obviously this requires Albania to not hate you. If you get bigger allies it actually makes the Ottomans leave you alone which means waiting decades to get enough favour to start a war, or you can do the whiny baby method of turning off Cossacks to make alliances into an I win button again. Vivian Darkbloom posted:Which of Brandenburg or Teutonic Order is a more fun country for forming Prussia these days? I'm leaning towards TO because I have so little experience with theocracies. Does Rights of Man add anything interesting for them? RoM adds a unique government for Prussia which guarantees your monarchs will have 3+ mil score and makes your military even more brokenly strong but the bonuses deplete if you get lots of provinces; however I believe you don't get this government type until you actually form Prussia. I don't believe that anything else changed significantly, but there is a DHE which must have been added at some point which will give Brandenburg a free PU over Ansbach under some circumstances, which is cool. I generally think that Brandenburg is the more enjoyable start since it lets you gently caress with the HRE more openly, and there's a few events and mission which help you expand a little more quickly compared to the TO, which is basically forced into warring with Poland or Austria early on. Also the number of events which add development to Berlin is kind of funny, I think you end up with a good 15 or so free development over a campaign if you take the right decisions though most of them aren't until the 18th century. RabidWeasel fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Dec 10, 2016 |
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