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Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



Cat Mattress posted:

Everyone knows what caused the ruin of this city and the death of its inhabitants, it was the demon invasion.

We need to send a guy with a shotgun to fix this problem.

I think you'll find that it was actually the WW2 Soviet Army.

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Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE

3peat posted:

I haven't posted one of these in a long time; here's the latest iteration of who romanians like/hate



Still clinging to the fantasy of somehow being a Latin people :cheeky:

Is there a historical reason for the relatively high dislike of Ukrainians that I don't know about? Are they just seen as Russians lite?

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Baronjutter posted:

Romanians hate Iran more than Hungary, that's insane.

Has there been an influx of Iranian asylum seekers lately or what could explain this?

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Torrannor posted:

Still clinging to the fantasy of somehow being a Latin people :cheeky:

Is there a historical reason for the relatively high dislike of Ukrainians that I don't know about? Are they just seen as Russians lite?

Romania hates any country it touches because of sacred clay being taken some time in the last 2,000 years. Hungary and Romania specially hate each other because there's a lot of bad clay between them.

AceRimmer
Mar 18, 2009

Baronjutter posted:

Romania hates any country it touches because of sacred clay being taken some time in the last 2,000 years. Hungary and Romania specially hate each other because there's a lot of bad clay between them.
I really want to know how Romanians feel about the other :tito: countries.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Looks like Russia is chasing American and French aircraft carriers, with NATO anti-submarine warfare planes searching for at least one Oscar II "carrier killer" sub.

https://theaviationist.com/?p=40704

quote:

According to military sources close to The Aviationist, a big hunt is underway in the eastern Med: several MPA aircraft, including U.S. Navy P-8 Poseidon jets operating from NAS Sigonella, Sicily, are looking for one, possibly two, Russian Navy submarines operating in the vicinity of a group of warships of the NATO Maritime Group.

What makes the news even more interesting is the fact that the Russian Navy submarine would be an Oscar II Class, that is to say a “carrier killer” sub, designed with the primary mission of countering aircraft carrier battlegroups. Among the NATO vessels in proximity of the Oscar II there is also the French Charles De Gaulle nuclear-powered aircraft carrier and the USS Eisenhower is not too far away either.

Therefore a massive Cold War-style hide-and-seek in underway, keeping both sides quite busy.

Although heavily defended, large flattops are vulnerable to submarines and can’t be considered immune from receiving battle damage or being limited in their fighting ability by a modern sub operating nearby: nuclear or diesel-powered subs have proved to be able to slip in the middle of the multi-billion-dollar aircraft carrier’s defensive screen, while avoiding detection by ASW (Anti-Submarine Warfare) aircraft, and pretend-sinking U.S. (or allied) carriers and most of their escort vessels.

Those were scripted drills, with the flattops put in the most challenging conditions for training purposes; still, the simulated sinkings once again prove that aircraft carriers’ underwater defenses, albeit excellent, are not impenetrable and subs still pose a significant threat to powerful Carrier Strike Groups.

Especially when the attacker is a quite advanced Oscar II class nuclear-powered guided-missile submarine (SSGN) using long-range SS-N-19 “Shipwreck” ASCMs (anti-ship cruise missiles).

Based on the latest reports, 8 Oscar IIs are in active service built in the 1980s and early 1990s, eight remain in service. Even though deemed to be inferior to those of the Akula II, the acoustic performance of the Oscar II class is believed to be superior to early Akula-class submarine.

In 2016 Russia has started a multiyear plan to modernise all its Project 949A Oscar II-class subs that includes replacing the 24 SS-N-19 missiles with up to 72 newer 3M55 Oniks (SS-N-26 ‘Strobile’) or 3M54 Klub (SS-N-27 ‘Sizzler’) anti ship missiles.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Torrannor posted:

Still clinging to the fantasy of somehow being a Latin people :cheeky:

Is there a historical reason for the relatively high dislike of Ukrainians that I don't know about? Are they just seen as Russians lite?

Part of what is now Ukraine was stolen from Romania by the Soviet Union in 1940.

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

OH well I'm sure this is absolutely nothing to worry about.

NPR posted:

In what could mark an escalation of tensions with the West, commercial satellite images suggest that Russia is moving a new generation of nuclear-capable missiles into Eastern Europe.

Russia appears to be preparing to permanently base its Iskander missile system in Kaliningrad, a sliver of territory it controls along the Baltic coast between Lithuania and Poland. Arms control experts shared fresh satellite imagery with NPR, which they say provides evidence that the Iskander will soon be housed in the Russian-controlled enclave.

The images show ground being cleared for tentlike shelters used at other Iskander bases, says Jeffrey Lewis, a nonproliferation expert at the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies. "The pattern, and the size, and the location strongly suggest to us that this is the beginning phase of construction of the shelters for Iskander," Lewis says.

Lewis and Finnish defense analyst Veli-Pekka Kivimäki, a doctoral student on open-source intelligence, discovered the construction through digital sleuthing. First, they searched Russia's Facebook, known as VKontakte, for images taken by military conscripts assigned to missile units (Russian grunts are prolific on social media, according to Lewis). Comparing the images posted by conscripts to the satellite imagery, they were able to pinpoint the missile base in Kaliningrad where the Iskanders have sometimes been sent on training exercises.
Protoges of yours, BM?

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

Tor is being blocked in Belarus.

https://ooni.torproject.org/post/belarus-fries-onion/

Only registered members can see post attachments!

AceRimmer
Mar 18, 2009
Brown Moses is our Nate Silver really, mock all you want folks

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




AceRimmer posted:

Brown Moses is our Nate Silver really, mock all you want folks

I'm the gleeful Kremlin columnists years ago.

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002


Veli-Pekka is, he was part of the team who worked on the MH17 stuff, he ended up being hired by the Finnish military because of it. Jeffrey Lewis runs Armscontrolwonk and does a bunch of different stuff at Monterey University in Canada on non-proliferation, a lot with remote sensing on open source material. They been running a crowdsourced satellite analysis project for a while.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Brown Moses posted:

Veli-Pekka is, he was part of the team who worked on the MH17 stuff, he ended up being hired by the Finnish military because of it. Jeffrey Lewis runs Armscontrolwonk and does a bunch of different stuff at Monterey University in Canada on non-proliferation, a lot with remote sensing on open source material. They been running a crowdsourced satellite analysis project for a while.
:laffo: Which thread did you get mad this time?

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

AceRimmer posted:

Brown Moses is our Nate Silver really, mock all you want folks


I have no idea why people think this is mockery. Wiki is of course a source, among many others.

When you're doing an investigation you use any source that is even remotely credible or related. You cast a wide net and start winnowing it down based on consistency and cross-checking.

It only works as mockery if you're deliberately looking for dumb things that distort the truth for the benefit of people who are impressed by those things.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
not the eu :ohdear:

AceRimmer
Mar 18, 2009

Deteriorata posted:

It only works as mockery if you're deliberately looking for dumb things that distort the truth for the benefit of people who are impressed by those things.
"Why are these dumb scientists studying earthquakes in Missouri? Don't they know that earthquakes only happen in California???" :eng101:
-Bobby Jindal

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

cinci zoo sniper posted:

:laffo: Which thread did you get mad this time?

The only other thread I read on the forums.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Middle Eastern politics thread I take it then. :rip:

AceRimmer
Mar 18, 2009

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Middle Eastern politics thread I take it then. :rip:
Appropriate analogy:

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

NATO only pays me to police this and the other one.

Dodoman
Feb 26, 2009



A moment of laxity
A lifetime of regret
Lipstick Apathy

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Middle Eastern politics thread I take it then. :rip:

Some new guys came in and started going off on BM and his cronies over the past week or so. It was funny at the start but went on for 6 pages.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

AceRimmer posted:

Brown Moses is our Nate Silver really, mock all you want folks

Can't be, too much hair/not shook enough.

More generally, do people not get that that was stated that way as a joke line?

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

AceRimmer posted:

Appropriate analogy:


Man, Conflict was such a great game. I remember using nukes against Iran without blowing up the world, got placed under U.N. sanctions, and ending up outlasting the sanctions.

Also, they used The The's "Sweet Bird Of Truth" as one of their loading screens.

Dodoman posted:

Some new guys came in and started going off on BM and his cronies over the past week or so. It was funny at the start but went on for 6 pages.

They were supposedly a bunch of tankies (or guys impersonating tankies) from C-SPAM's Manly Marxist Memes thread.

Pajser
Jan 28, 2006

Brown Moses posted:

NATO only pays me to police this and the other one.

you should just admit it, you're just Caro's sidekick and he the one calling all the shots

AceRimmer
Mar 18, 2009
Twilight Struggle for $15 on Steam, masterfully ported to PC, is one of my highlights of 2016.
I can't imagine a better educational tool for understanding the Cold War personally, particularly the crisis management aspect.

Young Freud posted:

[quote="Pajser" post="467244055"]
you should just admit it, you're just Caro's sidekick and he the one calling all the shots
Whoa, end of the month quota is upon you at the troll factory, Bossman Ivan just throwing papers around "INSUFFICIENT SHITPOSTS, MORE MORE MORE"

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Brown Moses posted:

Veli-Pekka is, he was part of the team who worked on the MH17 stuff, he ended up being hired by the Finnish military because of it. Jeffrey Lewis runs Armscontrolwonk and does a bunch of different stuff at Monterey University in Canada on non-proliferation, a lot with remote sensing on open source material. They been running a crowdsourced satellite analysis project for a while.
Somehow I miss your old AV.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
There needs to be a version of Papers Please for internet shitposting.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Forever shook

Remember the Ukraine War began around the 25 years later of 'Twin Peaks'

Dead...wrapped in plastic.

Remember the Leveson Inquiry? I knew even then the NSA surveillance was the Damocles sword just waiting to slice through the tabloids.

The Truth is Out There...

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


Mc Do Well posted:

Forever shook

Remember the Ukraine War began around the 25 years later of 'Twin Peaks'

Dead...wrapped in plastic.

Remember the Leveson Inquiry? I knew even then the NSA surveillance was the Damocles sword just waiting to slice through the tabloids.

The Truth is Out There...

McDowell please return to the loving embrace of Maoism-Third Worldism so that your posts make more sense.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

Kurtofan posted:

Russian is a really cool language to listen to

You should try their (not awful byproduct of Soviet attempts to produce pop) music: https://youtu.be/v21sCcBl0nw

While that is quite old, thank god that their indie scene finally grew out of its "we must sing in English so as to be internationally marketable" phase.

The above dig aside, the one modern group that tries to emulate the main Soviet state-endorsed style of popular music is actually pretty good.

AceRimmer
Mar 18, 2009
Don't break you country dummies :downs: :tito:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INc4eOgEpUU

AceRimmer
Mar 18, 2009
All their music videos are Gogol Bordello for Yugoslavia, pretty cool band.

a podcast for cats
Jun 22, 2005

Dogs reading from an artifact buried in the ruins of our civilization, "We were assholes- " and writing solemnly, "They were assholes."
Soiled Meat

jonnypeh posted:

Estonia also getting sugar tax and car registration tax (which applies every time the car gets a new owner in the registry, that also means used cars).

Can you please elaborate on the car registration tax? Social media in Latvia is routinely overran by self-employed people and micro/small business owners, etc who keep pointing to the favorable tax regime of Estonia as being extremely small business friendly and use that to oppose even reasonable (not that those are very common) attempts to change the tax code. Car registration and road taxes is one of the most commonly brought up examples.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Estonian economic reforms that created the business-friendly environment end up netting only a short-term gain, and backfired in the long run?

a podcast for cats
Jun 22, 2005

Dogs reading from an artifact buried in the ruins of our civilization, "We were assholes- " and writing solemnly, "They were assholes."
Soiled Meat
I am not sure that is the case, really. They are moving out of the flat income tax pit and apparently, whatever it is they do with their education policy is paying off, as Estonia boasts really good PISA scores. And, for whatever that's worth, I can see Estonian companies in my industry being noticeably more together and in line with Nordic/Western European thinking, than their Latvian or Lithuanian counterparts.

On the other hand, they seem to be riding the tech startup cargo cult really hard. So win some, lose some?

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Tonton Macoute posted:

I am not sure that is the case, really. They are moving out of the flat income tax pit and apparently, whatever it is they do with their education policy is paying off, as Estonia boasts really good PISA scores. And, for whatever that's worth, I can see Estonian companies in my industry being noticeably more together and in line with Nordic/Western European thinking, than their Latvian or Lithuanian counterparts.

On the other hand, they seem to be riding the tech startup cargo cult really hard. So win some, lose some?
Their education policy is pretty straightforward, they pay teachers well. It helps that they didn't make a drama out of it, unlike us.

jonnypeh
Nov 5, 2006

Tonton Macoute posted:

Can you please elaborate on the car registration tax? Social media in Latvia is routinely overran by self-employed people and micro/small business owners, etc who keep pointing to the favorable tax regime of Estonia as being extremely small business friendly and use that to oppose even reasonable (not that those are very common) attempts to change the tax code. Car registration and road taxes is one of the most commonly brought up examples.

I'm not entirely sure of the details, currently we have this thing with firms getting some sort of tax exemptions off their cars, so as a result we have a number of one-man firms buying an expensive car for the sole purpose of using it for the owner's private purpose. There's even a term for putting down your expenses as "office supplies", "business lunch" while in reality it was something else, and it's punishable by one law or another. And here is a related sketch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rSmj2ZB01A

Okay. So this new tax has nothing to do with that.

quote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Estonian economic reforms that created the business-friendly environment end up netting only a short-term gain, and backfired in the long run?

From how I see it, what used to work no longer works because the growth has gone down to < 1%. It did serve us well for all those years though, starting with early 90s minus the recession of 2008-2011. edit: We got this thing with profits, if reinvested no tax applies. If paid out, income tax applies. Some big companies like Swedbank can decide to give the government a substantial "gift" (meaning higher tax revenue) if they decide to pay out dividends.

Though they've also done that thing where they loan that money out to their parent company on good terms and we can kiss it goodbye.

It also costs a lot to hire Estonians. Here, try this tax calculator (which happens to be in English): http://www.kalkulaator.ee/?lang=3&page=1

jonnypeh fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Dec 11, 2016

RocketSurgeon
Mar 2, 2008
Despite having a fairly high average wage in the region about 70% of estonians make less than the average. That makes it hard to get rid of the flat tax rate. They are trying to supplement the tax revenue they lose with trying to change up the tax system with tax hikes on fuels, alcohol and the newly proposed car registration tax.
The car tax has seen some revisions with the first iteration being a tax on engine power of the car paid once when first registering the car, all subsequent transactions with the car were exempt from it. The idea that is being floated now is that you need to pay a tax every time the car changes owners, the sum is governed by CO emissions or the engine power of the car. That would mean that if you were to buy an older car the tax would be higher than the percieved value of the car itself.

A Pale Horse
Jul 29, 2007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3sBayYseEM

Putin brought his Japanese doge to bark at Japanese people.

:3:

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Lucy Heartfilia
May 31, 2012


Putin really likes dogs. :3: LIKE HITLER

...

DEATH TO PUTIN

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