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HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

TimNeilson posted:

It seems like a self-reinforcing cycle, really.

and then everyone gets drafted by Swedes

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aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Finland is my new favorite place. Photoshopping stuff out of pics of your enemies' stuff and posting that poo poo on Twitter seems like it would definitely still work.

WoodrowSkillson posted:

But how would they know its Tuesday?

In the dark ages, every day was Tuesday.

aphid_licker fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Dec 10, 2016

FastestGunAlive
Apr 7, 2010

Dancing palm tree.
Someone several pages back asked about the Netflix movie on the siege of jadotville. I stopped watching about half way thru. Budget was fine and they had some good actors. I'm not a mil realism nit picker or anything but if you're trying to stay keep your movie grounded I can't watch dudes standing up out their fighting positions, firing pistols and full auto SMGs at the bad dudes three hundred meters away who are just standing there firing full auto AKs or truck mounted weapons without protection. It did inspire me to go research the story and it is very fascinating and informative for my dumb American self who did not even realize the Irish had a military.

Tias
May 25, 2008

Pictured: the patron saint of internet political arguments (probably)

This avatar made possible by a gift from the Religionthread Posters Relief Fund

FastestGunAlive posted:

Someone several pages back asked about the Netflix movie on the siege of jadotville. I stopped watching about half way thru. Budget was fine and they had some good actors. I'm not a mil realism nit picker or anything but if you're trying to stay keep your movie grounded I can't watch dudes standing up out their fighting positions, firing pistols and full auto SMGs at the bad dudes three hundred meters away who are just standing there firing full auto AKs or truck mounted weapons without protection. It did inspire me to go research the story and it is very fascinating and informative for my dumb American self who did not even realize the Irish had a military.

I know this one from a "bad rear end quotes" collection! The Irish commander radios command saying something to the effect of "We will fight to the end. Send whiskey!", right?

E: "We will fight to the last bullet. Could do with some whisky." :iamafag:

FastestGunAlive
Apr 7, 2010

Dancing palm tree.
Yup that was in real life and the movie (he tells his CO over the radio, who happens to be played by Mcelhatton aka Roose Bolton). Pretty bad rear end quote

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

HEY GAL posted:

and then everyone gets drafted by Swedes

well at least that would improve their accommodation issues

except I was reading the history of Villmanstrand's fortress which was founded after the Not-So-Great Northern War and in 1739 500 men was sent there for garrison. At the beginning of 1740 already 40 men including some officers had died of sicknesses and only half of the men were deemed fit for service. During peacetime when they are inside the fortress, not while besieging an enemy fortification!

Of course it didn't help that a) these guys had come from southern Sweden and had trouble bartering with locals, b) prices in the tiny border town were ridiculously high and there were no opportunities for earning side income, and c) their daily supplement was given in the form of unmilled grain instead of flour and they had to grind it to flour with hand stones before they could take it to bakery, which also had too few ovens for the garrison so instead men were trading their grain around for beer and vodka.

Then in 1741 Swedish revanchists started a new war and Russians attacked the fortress and only 33 men of the garrison escaped the slaughter.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

WoodrowSkillson posted:

But how would they know its Tuesday?

The pig wrapped the baby in a tortilla first.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

HEY GAL posted:

as i remember hearing, and this was forever ago and possibly wrong, you'd build a divider in your main room so the animals were on one side and you were on the other, or you'd build a sort of loft thing above the stalls and sleep in that. It's so their body heat helps heat the house, because they weigh several tons apiece.

That's how it worked in the Irish village where I lost my interest in archeology.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

aphid_licker posted:

e: come to think of it I have read a scene in And Quiet Flows the Don where the viewpoint cossack family keeps a calf in the family living space but no reason is given and the scene is kinda played for laughs.

A very zany and uplifting movie, those whacky rural cossacks!

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

I like the concept of heating your home with barn animals, it's like the old-timey equivalent of using the excess heat from your PC to heat a room.

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese
Use this one weird trick to dehydrate strawberries with your farm animals, bitcoin miners hate it!

Panzeh
Nov 27, 2006

"..The high ground"

FastestGunAlive posted:

Someone several pages back asked about the Netflix movie on the siege of jadotville. I stopped watching about half way thru. Budget was fine and they had some good actors. I'm not a mil realism nit picker or anything but if you're trying to stay keep your movie grounded I can't watch dudes standing up out their fighting positions, firing pistols and full auto SMGs at the bad dudes three hundred meters away who are just standing there firing full auto AKs or truck mounted weapons without protection. It did inspire me to go research the story and it is very fascinating and informative for my dumb American self who did not even realize the Irish had a military.

Realistic behavior in firefights is kinda boring to film. It's like complaining about the scene in Fury with the tanks fighting the tiger. Honestly, it's a pretty good scene even if the ranges are scrunched out. A realistic tank battle is kinda boring and just a matter of getting shot out of nowhere, you would just see someone blow up or someone get shot at and back up immediately, or whatever.

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

SlothfulCobra posted:

I like the concept of heating your home with barn animals, it's like the old-timey equivalent of using the excess heat from your PC to heat a room.
frederick the great used soldiers as free and non-fire-hazard heating for either a theater or an opera house, i forget
just get a company in there and make them stay there, they can't say no

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Panzeh posted:

Realistic behavior in firefights is kinda boring to film. It's like complaining about the scene in Fury with the tanks fighting the tiger. Honestly, it's a pretty good scene even if the ranges are scrunched out. A realistic tank battle is kinda boring and just a matter of getting shot out of nowhere, you would just see someone blow up or someone get shot at and back up immediately, or whatever.

Except if you're in the desert or fighting on a vast, flat expanse.


Gimme a Kursk movie is what I'm saying. Or a Patton remake that doesn't have post-war stuff (CGI THEM ALL! :homebrew:)

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

Pornographic Memory posted:

if the siege of paris during the franco-prussian war is any indication, it's by eating literally anything remotely edible that wouldn't normally be considered food - weeds, pets, zoo and work animals, vermin, etc.

Sounds like southern China.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
SRW Fanatic




OwlFancier posted:

If too many peasants spend too much time in close proximity they get their legs tangled in each other and form a sort of amalgam creature of arms and heads and that's how feudalism got started.



It all makes sense now.

the JJ
Mar 31, 2011

It's really not that bad. Sure, some teachers are going to be poo poo but the test itself is more or less accurate. That's the whole point; it's a standardized test that doesn't vary in quality despite the vagaries of the American education system.

FastestGunAlive
Apr 7, 2010

Dancing palm tree.

Panzeh posted:

Realistic behavior in firefights is kinda boring to film. It's like complaining about the scene in Fury with the tanks fighting the tiger. Honestly, it's a pretty good scene even if the ranges are scrunched out. A realistic tank battle is kinda boring and just a matter of getting shot out of nowhere, you would just see someone blow up or someone get shot at and back up immediately, or whatever.

Except Fury isn't trying to be particularly historical. But, like I said, this stuff usually doesn't bug me. Something about it this time made me be a nit picker.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
Which movies does the thread think have the best, most realistic battle scenes?

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

Fangz posted:

Which movies does the thread think have the best, most realistic battle scenes?
ride with the devil is good

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Fangz posted:

Which movies does the thread think have the best, most realistic battle scenes?

Dr. Strangelove

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


SeanBeansShako posted:

A very zany and uplifting movie, those whacky rural cossacks!

I have not seen the movie but the book drifts into slapstick comedy a lot in the rural life scenes

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Fangz posted:

Which movies does the thread think have the best, most realistic battle scenes?

Battle of Britain

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Fangz posted:

Which movies does the thread think have the best, most realistic battle scenes?

Das Boot

Mycroft Holmes
Mar 26, 2010

by Azathoth

Fangz posted:

Which movies does the thread think have the best, most realistic battle scenes?

Come and See

Corsair Pool Boy
Dec 17, 2004
College Slice

SlothfulCobra posted:

I like the concept of heating your home with barn animals, it's like the old-timey equivalent of using the excess heat from your PC to heat a room.

gently caress that, I'm opening windows in December to cool my room because my PC heats the whole thing up too fast.


Fangz posted:

Which movies does the thread think have the best, most realistic battle scenes?

Nenonen posted:

Das Boot

Except for a few of the depth-charging scenes. The yells and whatnot of the crew would not have happened to a boat that survived IRL. But that's about it, my only real complaint with Das Boot: the acceleration of time in the battle sequences to fit a single movie, instead of a really boring 3-week long miniseries.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

aphid_licker posted:

I have not seen the movie but the book drifts into slapstick comedy a lot in the rural life scenes

The movie is uh, a lot less slapstick than the book. There are a few scenes but if you want to depress yourself with only a mild slice of misery that was the Russian Civil War it is a great place to start!

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


SeanBeansShako posted:

The movie is uh, a lot less slapstick than the book. There are a few scenes but if you want to depress yourself with only a mild slice of misery that was the Russian Civil War it is a great place to start!

I do like being miserable...

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

the JJ posted:

It's really not that bad. Sure, some teachers are going to be poo poo but the test itself is more or less accurate. That's the whole point; it's a standardized test that doesn't vary in quality despite the vagaries of the American education system.

It's still terrible. The worst aspect is that it sells itself as being a college equivalent course when the material isn't dealt with on anything approaching the level of an intro university course.

The test design is also abysmal. It encourages awful writing and, since it's explicitly a situation where you are teaching towards a test, that's what gets taught to students. Most of those students are bright kids who think because they took a "college level AP class" then passed a test that they can write at a college level.

Why yes I devote a sizable chunk of my syllabi towards retraining students into writing thesis based analytical papers why do you ask?

Edit: this isn't just me my last job interview turned into me talking with the 4 committee members about what a broken clusterfuck AP history is.

Lobster God
Nov 5, 2008

Cyrano4747 posted:

It's still terrible. The worst aspect is that it sells itself as being a college equivalent course when the material isn't dealt with on anything approaching the level of an intro university course.

The test design is also abysmal. It encourages awful writing and, since it's explicitly a situation where you are teaching towards a test, that's what gets taught to students. Most of those students are bright kids who think because they took a "college level AP class" then passed a test that they can write at a college level.

Why yes I devote a sizable chunk of my syllabi towards retraining students into writing thesis based analytical papers why do you ask?

Edit: this isn't just me my last job interview turned into me talking with the 4 committee members about what a broken clusterfuck AP history is.

Yeah, this. I used to work in admissions for a major UK university and the sample essays we got from AP students were so much worse than A Level or IB students. In terms of knowledge, analysis and structure. By and large they were about on a level with what I'd expect for a high C or B at GCSE. And these were all essays graded as 5.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

In a way, finding out that something that you were taught and have internalized was wrong and you need to re-learn everything is a valuable academic experience in itself.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


AP is rad as gently caress since you can take it for a course you dont give a gently caress about and get a college credit for it without paying thousands in tuition and hundreds in textbooks

HEY GUNS
Oct 11, 2012

FOPTIMUS PRIME

Agean90 posted:

AP is rad as gently caress since you can take it for a course you dont give a gently caress about and get a college credit for it without paying thousands in tuition and hundreds in textbooks
i couldn't afford ap history so i got the book myself and read it for fun
the class is free. the test costs, iirc, $50.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


True, but 50 bux for the test is a good price thats like 1/3 of a college textbook.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Lobster God posted:

Yeah, this. I used to work in admissions for a major UK university and the sample essays we got from AP students were so much worse than A Level or IB students. In terms of knowledge, analysis and structure. By and large they were about on a level with what I'd expect for a high C or B at GCSE. And these were all essays graded as 5.

I can't stand this

WHAT THE HECK IS AP IN THIS CONTEXT

I thought I'd figure it out by listening, but I haven't :negative:

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Nebakenezzer posted:

I can't stand this

WHAT THE HECK IS AP IN THIS CONTEXT

I thought I'd figure it out by listening, but I haven't :negative:

Advanced Placement.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug

Nebakenezzer posted:

I can't stand this

WHAT THE HECK IS AP IN THIS CONTEXT

I thought I'd figure it out by listening, but I haven't :negative:

Advanced Placement. You can take a course in high school and get a credit for a first or second year university course.

thatbastardken
Apr 23, 2010

A contract signed by a minor is not binding!
I want to take this moment to share a story about my grandad that's highly relevant to the thread title.

He was in a Royal Navy beach clearing unit on D-Day, but that's not the story.

The story is that on D+something he and his (handful of surviving) mates found a house with an intact cellar containing a barrel of some spirit or other (he said it was rum, but it could have been brandy I guess) and it being his 21st they all got loving plastered.

Then he got court-martialed for being drunk in the face of the enemy, but escaped punishment.

The end!

Lobster God
Nov 5, 2008

Nebakenezzer posted:

I can't stand this

WHAT THE HECK IS AP IN THIS CONTEXT

I thought I'd figure it out by listening, but I haven't :negative:

Sorry-

AP- Advanced Placement: the American excuse for decent secondary education. Normal US high school diplomas are insufficient for entry to UK universities (well, the decent ones anyway).

A Level- probably the most rigorous standard secondary qualification available, the standard pre-university qualification in the UK.

IB- The international baccalaureate- a great qualification albeit not quite as in depth as A Levels.

AP is a joke.

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Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Thanks. I've never heard of this but I went to the worst high school in Canada apparently, so it does not surprise me.

I'm not even sure why you would do such a thing, I mean the thing you get in university are courses (hopefully) taught to university standards. Why would you get such a thing in High School?

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