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Soul Glo posted:Eh, it's not like the restock that came the following week was because they actually manufactured units that quickly, right? The Toys R Us near me got 48 of them last Sunday, but they all got sold to people who camped out overnight. Amazon's physical stores had them the other day, and they're promising more will be available to order soon. And the Nintendo store in NYC has been getting a limited number a few times a week. Other than that, not really any sign of them yet.
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Dexo posted:Still waiting to hear an argument about how forced scarcity is good for anything that isn't specifically a status item(shoes, cars). Manufacturers don't get charged for unsold stock.
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Dec 11, 2016 04:21
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Jonas Albrecht posted:Manufacturers don't get charged for unsold stock. oh well yeah. that's what Nintendo is trying to avoid. having to pay for storing and paying for unsold stock. I was speaking more towards the notion that Nintendo is maliciously holding items back.
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Great Joe posted:I don't gotta prove poo poo. It's the oldest trick in the book and a huge part of why Black Fridays get so violent. This is why we have a President Trump!!!
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Louisgod posted:This is why we have a President Trump!!! 
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Nintendo Switch comes out during Trump presidency, coincidence? I think no
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Nintendo is laughing as it maliciously creates artificial scarcity. They paid these big factories to make their products and then they just...decided not to sell them! It's great, it's brilliant...it's evil! Oh, they'll sell them eventually. For twice what they cost to produce! Hahahaha! The cost of storing them, rather than selling to retailers, can't possibly eat into that faster than what they gain from their magically malicious artificial scarcity!
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Decus posted:Nintendo is laughing as it maliciously creates artificial scarcity. They paid these big factories to make their products and then they just...decided not to sell them! It's great, it's brilliant...it's evil! Oh, they'll sell them eventually. For twice what they cost to produce! Hahahaha! The cost of storing them, rather than selling to retailers, can't possibly eat into that faster than what they gain from their magically malicious artificial scarcity! I get the feeling you don't understand the argument.
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Cojawfee posted:I get the feeling you don't understand the argument. Maybe I don't, but as I understand artificial scarcity there'd only be benefit to Nintendo if it allowed them to sell the product at a higher price than they normally would. That has never applied to any of their stuff. edit: v Yeah, that's the thing with that. You can't really prove that it was driving demand nor can you prove Nintendo was estimating its projected sales and then adjusting downward on purpose just to drive it. Proving both things would be kind of impossible and sounds very unreasonable versus, with the Wii, Nintendo having just come off of an unsuccessful console. And well what do you know the Switch is going to be the same. Decus fucked around with this message at 06:56 on Dec 11, 2016 |
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Dec 11, 2016 06:47
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There's also intangibles like the "buzz" of a hard-to-find item, but at a certain point that marketing upside must be vastly outweighed by the tangible downside of moving less of the product.
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Dec 11, 2016 06:50
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Decus posted:Maybe I don't, but as I understand artificial scarcity there'd only be benefit to Nintendo if it allowed them to sell the product at a higher price than they normally would. That has never applied to any of their stuff. People are saying "artificial scarcity" to say that Nintendo simply didn't produce very many NES Classics. If it isn't popular, they don't lose any money. If it is popular, the scarcity drives up buzz about it and they can leisurely make some more until people stop buying them.
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Dec 11, 2016 06:53
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That's actual scarcity though not an artificial one.
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Dec 11, 2016 06:55
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Nintendo, while a big company, isn't a mega corporation like Sony or Microsoft. They can't afford to overextend and take a bath on a huge retail venture and it would defeat the whole point anyway. They're not looking to break into an Action Figure or Emulator Rom Box market, they just want to make some cash. They'd rather risk making a little less than risk blowing a ton of cash and rendering the whole thing a failure.
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Dec 11, 2016 07:03
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Sakurazuka posted:That's actual scarcity though not an artificial one. It's artificial if they have the capacity to make more but don't.
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I was always under the impression that Nintendo never considered the NES Classic to be a long-term thing (especially with the Switch on the horizon). Just a bone that they threw out there not knowing that a glorified ROM Box was something people wanted.
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Dec 11, 2016 07:07
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Hopefully there is someone at Nintendo that is able to log in to the internet and check out all the various generations of people who have childhood memories of playing "the Nintendo." Especially with all the people who are making fantasy lists of what would be in a SNES classic of N64 classic. Even people trying to think up a list of what they could put into an NES Classic II.
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Dec 11, 2016 07:09
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With the Nintendo Switch being a new gaming console coming out soon, and with Shadow Mewtwo being in Pokken Tournament, I wonder if that means well see a remake of pokemon colossem or pokemon xd:gale of darkness? or perhaps a sequel will come out some time?
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I bought a NES Mini day 1 and I've still only played it for a grand total of about 20 minutes since then
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Guy Goodbody posted:It boggles my mind that people get mad at Nintendo about this. Of course they don't want other people making games featuring Nintendo trademarks. If I made a game and called it Halo The Master Chief Collection, I'm pretty sure Microsoft would tell me to knock it off. Microsoft never shut down Red vs. Blue. Decus posted:There's a difference between "not wanting a dedicated fanbase" and "protecting what you own". Nobody has ever made a fan thing public out of the kindness of their heart--it wins ad revenue or brand recognition for other projects--and even if such a pure, miracle project existed it would still get shut down right away for using and potentially misusing an IP. Imagine if a kid had never played, say, a pokemon game before and the first thing they have suggested to them is one of the fan games. Yikes. There's several games on Steam that take place in the Half-Life universe that are up for sale and Valve's cool with it, I mean poo poo the Half-Life remake is all fan-made and sold on Valve's own storefront. I'm sure there's more of this going around too. It really just comes down to a developer being a tight-rear end or not.
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a.lo posted:With the Nintendo Switch being a new gaming console coming out soon, and with Shadow Mewtwo being in Pokken Tournament, I wonder if that means well see a remake of pokemon colossem or pokemon xd:gale of darkness? or perhaps a sequel will come out some time? pokemon colossem seem really pointless in 2017. it was good back when the main pokemon games where black and white sprites and you want to see a pokemon battle in 3d but the handhelds can show pokemon battles just as good as a console.. i rather have more pokken.
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Cyron posted:pokemon colossem seem really pointless in 2017. it was good back when the main pokemon games where black and white sprites and you want to see a pokemon battle in 3d but the handhelds can show pokemon battles just as good as a console.. i rather have more pokken. Yeah, I mean it might have meant something it we had gotten a Coliseum for Wii U that worked with the 3DS games, but now the Switch will make it truly pointless when Pokemon Stars (probably) comes out.
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s.i.r.e. posted:There's several games on Steam that take place in the Half-Life universe that are up for sale and Valve's cool with it, I mean poo poo the Half-Life remake is all fan-made and sold on Valve's own storefront. I'm sure there's more of this going around too. Yes, but those glorified mods have permission from Valve that was asked by the developers. That's an important detail. They wouldn't be on Steam storefront in the first place without it. As for fan projects, they could have just made Wacky Wally's Bug Hunt and called it a homage to Pokémon. Nobody would've complained. But they had to be the heroes of something. Also, I don't think Nintendo would have minded of a Metroid Blue vs Red. They'd just monetise the video in YouTube. 
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Guy Goodbody posted:It boggles my mind that people get mad at Nintendo about this. Of course they don't want other people making games featuring Nintendo trademarks. If I made a game and called it Halo The Master Chief Collection, I'm pretty sure Microsoft would tell me to knock it off. There are of course a million free flash fangames that Nintendo never shut down, but they've definitely been on a tear lately with No Mario's Sky, AM2R, and Pokemon Uranium. http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/534416
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Cardboard Box A posted:http://www.kongregate.com/games/beacle/halo-2d The difference is one is owned by a studio, and the other is the assets and likeness of a world-recognised set of characters. Most small studios love fan-made stuff because it only boosts interest in their titles. Nintendo-sized companies tend to crush it hard because their stuff is known in the same general sense as characters like Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny and anything negative might be perceived as something they themselves created.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The difference is one is owned by a studio, and the other is the assets and likeness of a world-recognised set of characters. Most small studios love fan-made stuff because it only boosts interest in their titles. Nintendo-sized companies tend to crush it hard because their stuff is known in the same general sense as characters like Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny and anything negative might be perceived as something they themselves created.
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Cardboard Box A posted:What are you talking about? Microsoft owns Halo, John Halo, Mister Chef, Cortana et. all just as Nintendo owns Mario and Zelda and Metroid. I thought 343 had the rights?
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I thought 343 had the rights? 343 is just a studio microsoft made to make halo games after bungie sold the rights to them
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I thought 343 had the rights? lol
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Brother Entropy posted:343 is just a studio microsoft made to make halo games after bungie sold the rights to them Ahhhh. gotcha.
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To ask yourself whether Nintendo created artificial scarcity, which do you believe? A) Reggie is going around the office high fiving people over the success at how many people want an NES classic but couldn't get one B) Reggie regrets the millions of lost sales and profits, and having to explain the under-order to NCL.
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greatn posted:To ask yourself whether Nintendo created artificial scarcity, which do you believe? A He is also laughing like a power crazed maniac while ordering the shutdown of every deviant art page that has Mario art on it.
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Does anyone here have a list of confirmed Switch games? Not necessarily launch titles, tho that'd be nice too, just games we definitely know are coming to the Switch.
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FirstAidKite posted:Does anyone here have a list of confirmed Switch games? Not necessarily launch titles, tho that'd be nice too, just games we definitely know are coming to the Switch. Pretty sure nothing is officially Nintendo confirmed until the next reveal event in January.
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There's some pretty broad misconceptions about product inventories out there. Companies like Nintendo only fulfill orders made by retailers and distributors so it's really the companies like Amazon and Wal Mart who are underestimating demand that create the shortages. Compounding on top of that is how most manufacturers switched to a 1 day inventory model back in the 90's which saves a ton of money but makes it hard to compensate for shortages. It really all goes back to how Steve Jobs revolutionized supply chain management when he rejoined Apple.
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RVWinkle posted:Nintendo Switch: It really all goes back to how Steve Jobs revolutionized supply chain management when he rejoined Apple. 
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Stux posted:the reason why those mobile piracy rates posted earlier were so high was because most piracy comes from poorer countries where games are a luxury and might cost a significant portion of their income but its ok to keep pretending those places dont exist if u want nah I'm pretty sure most piracy is done by cheap nerds.
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I just started playing ff15 and it's extremely fun. I hope it comes to the Switch, because there should be more access to fun in this world.
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Guy Goodbody posted:nah I'm pretty sure most piracy is done by cheap nerds. ya def isnt in the places where they literally cant afford the apps ur right.
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The majority of the cracking and distribution into the "piracy scene" is done by people in countries like Russia and Ukraine.
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Rexroom posted:Yes, but those glorified mods have permission from Valve that was asked by the developers. That's an important detail. They wouldn't be on Steam storefront in the first place without it. As for fan projects, they could have just made Wacky Wally's Bug Hunt and called it a homage to Pokémon. Nobody would've complained. But they had to be the heroes of something. Pretty sure they only got permission once they were ready to put their mods on Steam, the difference is that Valve didn't care to shut them down while they were being developed because they used their IPs. They could of said no once they wanted to get on Steam though, but they didn't.
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