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I think a party wide policy of being pro gun would earn the dems a lot of rural voters who otherwise sympathize with liberal ideals but do not trust dems on gun control, or at least stop driving them into Republican arms. Is this something you actually disagree with, McClaine, or is the main objection that you dont think the dem image can be reformed on the issue?
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Dec 12, 2016 04:24
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most poorer/working class dems in my experience do not give a poo poo about gun control or are pro-gun it's the snooty types that clutch their pearls around guns, and we all know how reliable and trustworthy those people are
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Dec 12, 2016 04:26
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That second paragraph is exactly the sort of disparagement he seems to not want to see. You might want to edit that out asap Keep it focused
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Dec 12, 2016 04:27
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:most poorer/working class dems in my experience do not give a poo poo about gun control or are pro-gun this exactly I live in a rural area where almost everyone owns a gun, if not for hunting then for home defense. any insinuation that you want to deny them access to guns/ammo is a dealbreaker. guns are a part of life and there's no way to change that.
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Dec 12, 2016 04:28
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i know precisely 1 goon who would've voted dem if guns were on the table but im in a conservative hellscape so guns guns guns says clarence boddeker
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Dec 12, 2016 04:28
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GlyphGryph posted:That second paragraph is exactly the sort of disparagement he seems to not want to see. You might want to edit that out asap
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Dec 12, 2016 04:30
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Phi230 posted:i know precisely 1 goon who would've voted dem if guns were on the table I am not actually sure how to read this
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Dec 12, 2016 04:31
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GlyphGryph posted:I am not actually sure how to read this i know it could be read as like a anti-yourstatement but its actually an affirmation of it gun control is ad ead issue
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Dec 12, 2016 04:31
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Joementum posted:Apparently I'm also a Clinton apologist because I think hiring message consultants to talk down to people he can't help calling the "lowest common denominator" is a bad idea. Tailoring your message to different groups is not the same as loving talking down to people, nor does stating that some people are dumb mean they aren't entitled to have their opinions taken seriously. You have been willfully and deliberately missing my point.
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Dec 12, 2016 04:33
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Ace of Baes posted:So are you saying we can discuss gun controls place in the DNC platform or not? This is the page for Gun Control discussion by the current Democratic Party. 
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Dec 12, 2016 04:34
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GlyphGryph posted:I think a party wide policy of being pro gun would earn the dems a lot of rural voters who otherwise sympathize with liberal ideals but do not trust dems on gun control, or at least stop driving them into Republican arms. Is this something you actually disagree with, McClaine, or is the main objection that you dont think the dem image can be reformed on the issue? I think it would require one hell of a campaign and one incredibly authentic spokesman to sell that, as well as a major shift within the party that I don't think is compatible with the larger issues it is actually somewhat or at least-theoretically equipped to fight. The GOP owns the gun issue, and I don't see any way to co-opt it, or even bring it up, without shoveling more ammunition to them to scream conspiracy theories about how this really means that the Dems want to steal all your guns and force everyone to get gay married. In short: it's a lose-lose to even bring up, which is probably why they didn't this time around, despite Aurora and Sandyhook and all the rest being fresh enough in everyone's memory. And seriously, is my username that hard to get right?
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Dec 12, 2016 04:35
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Tons of people in the military are literally single issue gun voters because they don't have to care about healthcare or the economy.
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Dec 12, 2016 04:35
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GlyphGryph posted:I think a party wide policy of being pro gun would earn the dems a lot of rural voters who otherwise sympathize with liberal ideals but do not trust dems on gun control, or at least stop driving them into Republican arms. Is this something you actually disagree with, McClaine, or is the main objection that you dont think the dem image can be reformed on the issue? This is almost certainly me casting my gut feeling on this, but I think they're better off just not really talking about it- and really anything that's been labeled 'culture wars' over the past few years. Regardless of the merits of continuing to fight on issues like gun rights, abortion, LGBT rights, etc., the issue is that Democrats need to make a clear effort to engage in the issues of today, not fight the same battles of the late 90s. [Adam Curtis voice] While they slept, the economy went off the rails, income inequality skyrocketed, and the US is now mired in an endless list of covert wars across the world. The big winners this year both saw that those issues had come back to peoples' minds with a vengeance. This blind spot hurt Hillary, but it hurt most all of the Republican candidates as well. Look at how little evangelicals cared about Trans bathroom poo poo and came out to vote for a guy who'd call the penitent man a loser for kneeling.
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Dec 12, 2016 04:37
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Captain_Maclaine posted:And seriously, is my username that hard to get right? You have no face and I am phoneposting. Yes. The main dems might have trouble recovering on guns. The sanders wing earned a bit of respect over the primary as not being gun haters among rural gun people i know. I think if the dems pushed for a repeal of assault weapon bans in dem states, they would earn a lot good will. It would probably take four to eight years for it people to really start buying it, but just conceding the issue to the republicans certainly isnt gonna fix anything and helps them, and if we get a second term of Trump we will need every person we can get
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Dec 12, 2016 04:41
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A bunch of awkward house reps sitting in an office trying to figure out how to take apart and put together an AR-15 for their latest campaign ad.
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Dec 12, 2016 04:44
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NITE CREW nostalgia givin me the feels.
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Dec 12, 2016 04:49
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punk rebel ecks posted:I always felt socialism should be called "economic democracy", because that's essentially what it is. "Economic National Defense" The system is made of people, our nation is made of people, and this only works if people have money. I'm bad at talking points but you get the idea
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Dec 12, 2016 05:15
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loving go all the way and call it a National Self-Sufficiency Program, that sounds nice and bootstrappy you could even use the slogan "Keep Dollars American"
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Dec 12, 2016 05:23
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Economic Freedom
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Dec 12, 2016 05:23
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Dec 12, 2016 05:24
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Buy American Goods and Keep Your Dollar American hell, use a variation like Buy Local, Buy American that'll play with the Whole Foods Organic Labeling or Die crowd
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Dec 12, 2016 05:24
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debbie does universal basic income
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Dec 12, 2016 05:25
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doritos locos spicy socialism
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Dec 12, 2016 05:26
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put a cap on income and sell it as "equality of expenditure" you could even give the rich bastards tax breaks if they spend their over-the-cap income on things like parks or infrastructure maintenance or donations to school districts
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Dec 12, 2016 05:28
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Every Man A King was a badass name for socialism that Huey Long came up with, but it wouldn't fly today
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Dec 12, 2016 05:30
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Serf posted:Every Man A King was a badass name for socialism that Huey Long came up with, but it wouldn't fly today Regicide is a moral good.
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Dec 12, 2016 05:33
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Phi230 posted:quick and pleasant reminder that the cherished CA assault weapons ban/ban on open carry was in direct response to African Americans exercising their 2nd amendment rights it also made gun manufacturers a shitload of money
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Dec 12, 2016 05:34
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Dec 12, 2016 06:06
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Dems putting forth any kind of gun control measures over the next four years would be counterproductive. The best way to increase support for gun control long term is to arm black and Muslim groups. Raise funds and create programs that arm and train Black Lives Matter activists, Muslims, undocumented immigrants, and other groups that are feared by Republicans.
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Dec 12, 2016 06:09
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kenner116 posted:Dems putting forth any kind of gun control measures over the next four years would be counterproductive. The best way to increase support for gun control long term is to arm black and Muslim groups. Raise funds and create programs that arm and train Black Lives Matter activists, Muslims, undocumented immigrants, and other groups that are feared by Republicans. ironically this gives more power to the nra who will keep spending money on republicans. its kind of a losing battle at this point tho when theres a billion better places to focus.
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Dec 12, 2016 06:10
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GlyphGryph posted:I think a party wide policy of being pro gun would earn the dems a lot of rural voters who otherwise sympathize with liberal ideals but do not trust dems on gun control, or at least stop driving them into Republican arms. Is this something you actually disagree with, McClaine, or is the main objection that you dont think the dem image can be reformed on the issue? why are we changing from 'just shush about guns' to now being pro guns?
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Dec 12, 2016 06:12
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Tatum Girlparts posted:why are we changing from 'just shush about guns' to now being pro guns? Because there's a literal fascist about to receive full and total control of the most powerful military in the world.
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Dec 12, 2016 06:24
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Ace of Baes posted:Because there's a literal fascist about to receive full and total control of the most powerful military in the world. oh so now are WE the party of armchair soldiers who need guns because that'll stop the drones and tanks and poo poo?
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Dec 12, 2016 06:26
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the problem with left wing positions on gun control is that, aside from dyed in the wool communists, the Moms Demand Action folks are the ones who care the most about guns and they're clueless about guns in the way that old right wing dudes are clueless about how gay sex works. Like suppressor bans are pointless, and regulation on anything other than barrel length and caliber only creates confusion.
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Dec 12, 2016 06:28
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Tatum Girlparts posted:why are we changing from 'just shush about guns' to now being pro guns? If we just shush about guns they'll think we're just biding our time until their guard is down so we can Finally Ban Guns Forever and frankly they'd probably be right.
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Dec 12, 2016 06:30
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reignonyourparade posted:If we just shush about guns they'll think we're just biding our time until their guard is down so we can Finally Ban Guns Forever and frankly they'd probably be right.
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Dec 12, 2016 06:31
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reignonyourparade posted:If we just shush about guns they'll think we're just biding our time until their guard is down so we can Finally Ban Guns Forever and frankly they'd probably be right. right yea we've been over that, so the solution is to go pro gun and...just gently caress it then? Just accept that nothing will ever change? I mean, this is assuming they don't instantly go "THOSE LIBERALS ARE LYING THEY WANNA TAKE YOUR GUNS NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY" because of that whole 'the gun lobby isn't actually a rights group it's a business group' thing.
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Dec 12, 2016 06:41
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'Guns for Gays/Gals' if you want the left pro-gun in earnest 'Guns for Minorities' if you want the right anti-gun a little
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Tatum Girlparts posted:right yea we've been over that, so the solution is to go pro gun and...just gently caress it then? Just accept that nothing will ever change? the gun lobby actually is very much a rights group actually they wouldn't be able to block jack poo poo if it wasn't for the fact they're backed by lots of very opinionated voters
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