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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Well, I don't think I agree with the thesis, so that's hard to say. Chomsky says "don't waste your time speculating that maybe the powers that be killed a guy in the absence of any evidence to support the claim." That seems so eminently sensible that it's completely bizarre to me to lead off with it as part of a section on how Chomsky is too dismissive of conspiracy theories. He leads with that, then he ends with this: Agree. That part was strange.
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Well, I don't think I agree with the thesis, so that's hard to say. Chomsky says "don't waste your time speculating that maybe the powers that be killed a guy in the absence of any evidence to support the claim." That seems so eminently sensible that it's completely bizarre to me to lead off with it as part of a section on how Chomsky is too dismissive of conspiracy theories. He leads with that, then he ends with this: basically, nothing that people do is unintelligible, even if it seems that way - there is always a 'logic' to those actions, however many steps removed
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rudatron posted:he's half correct: obama is genuinely a nice guy who is great to hang out with, and the conspiracy people are partly correct, in that people in those leadership positions are ultimately parasitic Yezhov was a nice guy too.
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Well, I don't think I agree with the thesis, so that's hard to say. Chomsky says "don't waste your time speculating that maybe the powers that be killed a guy in the absence of any evidence to support the claim." That seems so eminently sensible that it's completely bizarre to me to lead off with it as part of a section on how Chomsky is too dismissive of conspiracy theories. He leads with that, then he ends with this: Chomsky said a lot of things and yet doesn't have a unified theory of linguistics isn't he still working on that
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Chomsky does not seem to have grasped the idea that constantly calling America a "Terrorist State" would cause people to stop listening to him. That's pretty sad for a linguist.
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rudatron posted:chomksy is still a moron though, and his greatest 'contribution' (universal grammar) now appears to be scientifically dubious. The two books that have been attempting to assert that Chomsky's contributions to linguistics are false are straight-up hit pieces written by people who do not understand the basics of what they attempted to disprove: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2016/12/thousand-ways-to-misrepresent-noam-chomsky
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LegoPirateNinja posted:Chomsky does not seem to have grasped the idea that constantly calling America a "Terrorist State" would cause people to stop listening to him. That's pretty sad for a linguist. It's still true though.
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Atrocious Joe posted:Old socialists are cool and young socialists are cool. I've yet to meet many ~35-55 year olds though, Reaganism must have been a hell of drug for that generation. Also hippies from the 60s who decided to join wall street
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's still true though. it's also alienating and unpersuasive.
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LegoPirateNinja posted:it's also alienating and unpersuasive. New thread title.
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LegoPirateNinja posted:it's also alienating and unpersuasive. Alienating, maybe. Unpersuasive, no.
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Dec 12, 2016 03:23
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Plenty of people I know have said "I don't care about the facts, this is how I 'feel'" so appealing to things being true is pretty useless imo
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LegoPirateNinja posted:it's also alienating and unpersuasive. Either you tell the truth or you won't be able to say anything at all. There's no easy way to say that the United States is the biggest state sponsor of terror in the world.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Either you tell the truth or you won't be able to say anything at all. There's no easy way to say that the United States is the biggest state sponsor of terror in the world. Sounds like a job for Frank Luntz
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Just ask people what it would feel like to live across the ocean from a kingdom with magic death wizards who send flying monsters that shoot fireballs at your weddings.
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 We think of ourselves as morally righteous!
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In the CIA, we spend more money to kill one Yemeni than he'll ever make in his lifetime. Are YOU in? *yeeeeeeah*
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Yezhov was a nice guy too. WRONG. Grover Furr posted:We now have much more evidence about the role of NKVD chief Nikolai Ezhov than we had in 2005. Ezhov, head of the NKVD (People’s Commissar for Internal Affairs), had his own conspiracy against the Soviet government and Party leadership. Ezhov had also been recruited by German intelligence. Would a nice guy betray Comrade Stalin like that?
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Stalin was a bad guy so it stands to reason that a nice guy would betray him. Checks out.
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LegoPirateNinja posted:it's also alienating and unpersuasive. Depends on how you frame it. "Amerikkka is literally Hitler and you're Hitler for supporting it" is unproductive. "As Americans, we stand for freedom, democracy, and the inalienable rights of all people. So why does the government keep supporting people who clearly don't believe in that?" is good.
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:WRONG. Well, sure, but that's still all a bunch of bunk. Yezhov didn't personally carry out the executions of almost 700,000 people as a conspiracy to undermine the Soviet Union. The Terror was being carried out by all sorts of low level officials and agents according to their own ends. Yezhov's problem is that he was conspiratorially minded because of his background in labor radicalism & the Red Guard, and he pursued the terror with too much zeal. He's still a secret policeman I could have a beer with.
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COMRADE STALIN DID NOTHING WRONG
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Just kidding bro, let's go to Normandy
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Well, sure, but that's still all a bunch of bunk. Shush, you're gonna hurt GCF's feelings with that talk. Not very comradely.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:He's still a secret policeman I could have a beer with. MARXISM THREAD: A secret policeman I could have a beer with.
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I can't believe I picked up a 30 day probe for that post DnD is such a loving joke.
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The Kingfish posted:I can't believe I picked up a 30 day probe for that post DnD is such a loving joke. welcome back friendo how have you been
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I've been good but it was tough to watch the salt mines from the sidelines. It was a well timed probation at least- I'll be done with my first semester of law school on Wednesday. E: what the gently caress happened to my trump tower?!?
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The Kingfish posted:I've been good but it was tough to watch the salt mines from the sidelines. It was a well timed probation at least- I'll be done with my first semester of law school on Wednesday. Being remodeled so that it's secure enough to be the presidential residents.
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The Kingfish posted:I've been good but it was tough to watch the salt mines from the sidelines. It was a well timed probation at least- I'll be done with my first semester of law school on Wednesday. lol holy poo poo that's quite the post to get a 30 for the trump towers were demolished in a freak accident
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My biggest regret about this election: I let pro-DNC liberals browbeat me into pretending I don't think Obama is a trash president.
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The Kingfish posted:My biggest regret about this election: I let pro-DNC liberals browbeat me into pretending I don't think Obama is a trash president. I remember how much pushback the Obama Was a Bad President thread got. Shameful.
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rudatron posted:they were probably not up to fire code, i saw a few of them on fire That was the result of a low energy arsonist.
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