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Hey friends, if you haven't voted in the SAS MLB Hall Of Fame Ballot yet you should! We can discuss stuff like putting relievers in the HoF or whether being a bad human should stop you from getting in.
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Both those things have been really famous, what are the discussions about?
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Dec 12, 2016 16:34
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achillesforever6 posted:https://twitter.com/adamdberry/status/808004535167881216 Give that fan a loving medal, that's an ice cold burn
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Dec 12, 2016 16:57
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Sydin posted:Taillon looked good though? 3.46 ERA across 104 IP is pretty rock solid for a 24 year old in his first major league season. Glasnow probably needs some more time in AAA, although he projects to have below average command regardless so idk Yeah, Taillon looked good last season, I wouldn't be very  about him.
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Dec 12, 2016 16:59
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Dec 12, 2016 19:28
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Good, please keep Turner off the Cardinals. That's certainly going to be a payroll though  e. Also  if the Nationals fail to acquire yet another target. Can't wait for them to trade what little is left of their farm to the ChiSox for Robertson.
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Dec 12, 2016 19:34
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https://twitter.com/JimBowden_ESPN/status/808379559779430400 Good times!
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Dec 12, 2016 19:36
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Man is it rough rooting for a plucky small market team like the San Francisco Giants. Pretty unfair when these rich teams can just ignore the tax and spend infinity dollars. Can I get some revenue sharing please this is bullshit.
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Dec 12, 2016 19:36
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That's a lot of scratch for not-Champan
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The Pussy Boss posted:Man is it rough rooting for a plucky small market team like the San Francisco Giants. Pretty unfair when these rich teams can just ignore the tax and spend infinity dollars. Can I get some revenue sharing please this is bullshit. Intruder posted:That's a lot of scratch for not-Champan
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Dec 12, 2016 19:37
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Either the Marlins were bluffing or Jansen really wanted to stay in California, since IIRC the rumor was the Marlins offered him $100m. Also Nationals.
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Dec 12, 2016 19:40
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I thought the rumor was 5/80 which is exactly what he got in LA
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Dec 12, 2016 19:42
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Sydin posted:Either the Marlins were bluffing or Jansen really wanted to stay in California, since IIRC the rumor was the Marlins offered him $100m.
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Dec 12, 2016 19:45
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bawfuls posted:Or maybe Loria's habit of making splashy signings and then trading everyone away a year later is finally catching up to him and making free agents hesitant to sign with Miami? Perhaps Kenley woke up today and remembered that the Dodgers are actually good and likely to be good for the next 5 years, and he wants to continue to get opportunities to pitch in the postseason? Alternatively, Jansen didn't want to shave his beard.
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Dec 12, 2016 19:46
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Chapman deal looking great for the Yankees.
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Dec 12, 2016 19:47
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Were almost to the point were minor league guys start denying call ups to the Marlins.
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Dec 12, 2016 19:48
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Intruder posted:I thought the rumor was 5/80 which is exactly what he got in LA All the rumours I saw were that it was the same ballpark as (though slightly less than) the Chapman deal. It would have been much bigger news if the Marlins were trying to smash the reliever contract record after the Yankees had done it themselves.
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Dec 12, 2016 19:52
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Sydin posted:Either the Marlins were bluffing or Jansen really wanted to stay in California, since IIRC the rumor was the Marlins offered him $100m. Yes, the Nationals did not commit $16 mil/year to a relief pitcher. It is they who are owned.
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Dec 12, 2016 19:58
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mcmagic posted:Chapman deal looking great for the Yankees.
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Dec 12, 2016 20:05
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Turner coming back too :party:
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Dec 12, 2016 20:11
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ego symphonic posted:Yes, the Nationals did not commit $16 mil/year to a relief pitcher. It is they who are owned. They were certainly trying to commit $16 mil/year to a relief pitcher, or at least something in that ballpark. Now they have no closer and farm that was gutted for Adam Eaton. Time to resign Papelbon I guess? 
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Dec 12, 2016 20:12
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This is the face of a man who really wanted a to play for a different franchise with a notoriously evil owner and minimal hope of postseason contention, all in order to (maybe) make slightly more money.
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Dec 12, 2016 20:17
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Paying big money for a closer is stupid unless you're a high-budget team with a WS-quality roster, and that's few enough that the contracts have stayed relatively same till this year. What's changed? Why so many huge multi-year contracts now when so many previous attempts at them have busted so badly?
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Dec 12, 2016 20:24
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bawfuls posted:Do people really think there's that large a gulf between Chapman and Jansen? Over the last 4 years their results are remarkably similar. Chapman has a slightly higher K rate but Jansen has half the walk rate. I'd argue Jansen shows more signs of durability than Chapman and is more likely to retain effectiveness if he loses some velocity since Jansen's command is better, but that's speculation. Yeah, if it were my money (and ignoring off field issues) for longer than one or two years, I would opt for Jansen myself.
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Dec 12, 2016 20:26
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elentar posted:Paying big money for a closer is stupid unless you're a high-budget team with a WS-quality roster, and that's few enough that the contracts have stayed relatively same till this year. What's changed? Why so many huge multi-year contracts now when so many previous attempts at them have busted so badly?
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Dec 12, 2016 20:27
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Because having a super dominant bullpen is in vogue. People are going to look at what the Indians did and want to copy it I for one miss the days of having a ridiculously dominant bullpen (Lidge/Dotel/Wagner was sooooo good, Qualls/Wheeler/Lidge was pretty good also but nowhere near as dominant)
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Dec 12, 2016 20:27
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The whole "closers are overrated and overpaid" applies to dudes who suck but rack up 30 saves in the AL Central, not guys who are in the top 5 relievers in the game
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Dec 12, 2016 20:34
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Intruder posted:Because having a super dominant bullpen is in vogue. People are going to look at what the Indians did and want to copy it
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Dec 12, 2016 20:34
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bawfuls posted:Perhaps the Dodgers liked the way their own bullpen functioned this October and aren't trying to copy Cleveland so much as continue what has been working? Man you're getting pretty testy over innocuous comments itt
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Dec 12, 2016 20:35
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Also, this is a historically weak free agent class, especially for pitching, and teams have money burning a hole in their pockets
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Dec 12, 2016 20:36
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The Pussy Boss posted:Also, this is a historically weak free agent class, especially for pitching, and teams have money burning a hole in their pockets Some teams Still dreaming of EE in my lineup, ~chasing that dream~
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Dec 12, 2016 20:37
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elentar posted:Paying big money for a closer is stupid unless you're a high-budget team with a WS-quality roster, and that's few enough that the contracts have stayed relatively same till this year. What's changed? Why so many huge multi-year contracts now when so many previous attempts at them have busted so badly? A weak free agent class combined with a healthy chunk of post season teams showing off the value of high leverage relievers who can come in and lock down a lead for multiple innings. Jansen isn't just a closer, he can come in an throw three perfect innings with remarkable consistency. Miller is the same, and while he wasn't on the market his success absolutely drove up the price for good relievers. Oh, and healthy number of teams looking to compete now that lacked a dominant closer coming into the offseason. bawfuls posted:Perhaps the Dodgers liked the way their own bullpen functioned this October and aren't trying to copy Cleveland so much as continue what has been working? Boy are you acting like a big salty baby over dumb poo poo today.
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Dec 12, 2016 20:38
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Intruder posted:Man you're getting pretty testy over innocuous comments itt
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Dec 12, 2016 20:40
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Part of the reasons the Mariners won 116 games was that they had an insane bullpen behind Arthur Rhodes, Jeff Nelson, and Kazuhiro Sasaki. edit: for funsies, a Republican lawmaker in the WA state house is proposing a bill that allows you into bring firearms to stadiums for some dumb reason.
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Dec 12, 2016 20:41
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Sydin posted:big salty baby On a serious note, I'm still sad about see Dex in a Cardinals uniform. Has there been any word on Travis Wood?
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Dec 12, 2016 21:26
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Sounding like Turner back to the Dodgers for 4/64 is done. Also sounds like the Cardinals signed Eric Fryer again to backup Yadi. Nice to have him back after losing him on waivers last season. He is a solid backup.
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Dec 12, 2016 22:19
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Jeff Sullivan did some poking into Chapman's look when he loses velocity and it's not nearly as apocalyptic as some people are making it out to be.
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Dec 12, 2016 22:58
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At work, we have a bathroom that also has a locker room and a shower. Right now the smell of raw sewage backing up through the shower drain is filling the entire office I officially know what it's like to play for the Oakland A's
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Dec 12, 2016 22:59
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N: Fowler's got a strong Twitter game https://twitter.com/DexterFowler/status/807643030836514816 V: Liking this signing more each day.
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Pancakes posted:N: Fowler's got a strong Twitter game https://www.instagram.com/p/BD142JfIdTn/
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