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Zogo posted:That isn't close to the record. http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pstreak.cgi?request=1&year_min=2012&year_max=2017&is_playoffs=N&c1stat=fg3&c1comp=ge&c1val=1 OK I double checked and it's consecutive games with at least 3 3Pa http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pstreak.cgi?request=1&year_min=2012&year_max=2017&is_playoffs=N&c1stat=fg3&c1comp=ge&c1val=3 e: It's also not right if you keep going back in time. I can't believe Jonathan Feigen of the Houston Chronicle would lie about this!! chunkles fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Dec 12, 2016 |
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Zogo posted:Horace Grant Didn't Always Need Those Goggles, But He Kept Wearing Them For The Kids We all know Wilt would have like 7,600 or something if the stats were available. 
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Zach LaVine is so loving smooth. He always reminds me of T-Mac (movement wise).
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I refuse to believe Anthony Bennett was averaging double digit points. Also Brandon Ingram isn't a fat asthmatic who doesn't appear to give a poo poo about basketball so his potential for improvement is much higher.
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Henchman of Santa posted:I refuse to believe Anthony Bennett was averaging double digit points. Also Brandon Ingram isn't a fat asthmatic who doesn't appear to give a poo poo about basketball so his potential for improvement is much higher. That's true. Ingram is a small forward that can't shoot, which means he could end up as good as Alonzo Gee, Stanley Johnson or PJ Hairston.
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37 points, 12 rebounds, and 6 assists Westbrook sucks now. Can't even get a triple double 8 games in a row. I'm OFF the MVP train!!!!
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Also somewhat important that Age is given as "Age; player age on February 1 of the given season." Relative to the start of their careers Bennett is about a year and a half older than Ingram, and those months make a huge difference at that stage of development. Ingram is a stick insect, he's going to get bigger and stronger. Bennett was, uh, sort of the opposite Ingram is going to get a whole lot better. It's not right to compare anyone to Anthony Bennett, the worst #1 pick we may ever see. He's like if someone used the #1 pick on Earl Clark.
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A PF shooting 35% is way worse than a perimeter-oriented wing shooting 36%. Brando is taking 2.5x more 3s than Tony was (though that's still not a lot). Also Ingram handles the ball ok which is also important. Remember, Durant shot 43% his rookie season and 28% from 3. Durant scored a lot more on a lot more shots, something I wouldn't mind seeing Ingram do.
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Henchman of Santa posted:I refuse to believe Anthony Bennett was averaging double digit points. Also Brandon Ingram isn't a fat asthmatic who doesn't appear to give a poo poo about basketball so his potential for improvement is much higher. It's per 36. Anthony Bennett couldn't average 10 ppg if you paid him. Oh wait
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Cool Buff Man posted:It's per 36. Anthony Bennett couldn't average 10 ppg if you paid him. Oh wait That #1 pick will never not be amazing. "He's like Larry Johnson! Here are two power dunks where he screams!!" edit: The Ringer has a new piece called "Andrew Wiggins vs. Advanced Stats": https://theringer.com/andrew-wiggins-timberwolves-advanced-stats-debate-1588a6909ce8 quote:According to VORP — a metric which gauges “value over replacement player” — Wiggins has one of the worst ratings in the NBA this season, with a ranking that places him alongside such names as Jarell Martin, Isaiah Whitehead, and Semaj Christon. ESPN’s RPM (real plus-minus) ranks Wiggins 68th among small forwards, sandwiched between Kelly Oubre Jr. and Derrick Jones Jr. With all due respect to the juniors, this is not the company we expect Wiggins to be keeping in his third season. Jack's Flow fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Dec 12, 2016 |
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NBA 2016-17 N/V: “Did Wiggins bang ur GF or something? You salty AF fam,” someone named Billy rebutted
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Jack's Flow posted:That #1 pick will never not be amazing. "He's like Larry Johnson! Here are two power dunks where he screams!!" Truthfully he might be the best argument against the old "20 ppg = star" reasoning. He does nothing else on the court. Pulling a .47 ws/48 while you're scoring 22 ppg on decent efficiency should not be possible e: Actually that'd be interesting, could one of you stat boys cull a list of all people who scored >20ppg and sort it by ascending ws/48 Cool Buff Man fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Dec 12, 2016 |
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Jota posted:NBA 2016-17 N/V: “Did Wiggins bang ur GF or something? You salty AF fam,” someone named Billy rebutted
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Cool Buff Man posted:Truthfully he might be the best argument against the old "20 ppg = star" reasoning. He does nothing else on the court. Pulling a .47 ws/48 while you're scoring 22 ppg on decent efficiency should not be possible He's bad. http://bkref.com/tiny/32AYQ edit: Shorter list: 1984-85 to today (so we've seen most of the dudes actually play): http://bkref.com/tiny/CXBG5 Jack's Flow fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Dec 12, 2016 |
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Jack's Flow posted:He's bad. Lol holy poo poo. Thank you. This is a very interesting list I knew Antoine had to be up there
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I missed Warriors chat but I have to say I will always be grateful to them for knocking the #1 seed Mavericks out of the playoffs 
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Wiggins has at least been getting more rebounds this year. I'm still confused about his defense never really progressing though. Can someone make a looping avatar out of Zach's transforming dunk in this video? https://vimeo.com/191069090 Starts about 1:45. If you have to cut out the end and some of the beginning to make it work that's fine, as long as the cupcake is in it.
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Cool Buff Man posted:Lol holy poo poo. Thank you. This is a very interesting list I like how basically the entire career of Glenn Robinson is visible in this puddle of mud.
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Monta/JR Rider/Spreewell/Antoine/Bargnani How long until there's a reenactment of that basketball scene from Fresh Prince?
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Ramadu posted:37 points, 12 rebounds, and 6 assists His numbers during that streak. They are weird and not great. 
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Man, that Raptors Celtics game... Raptors came back and won while having half the assists the Celtics put up. Which was nice for me as a Raptors fan, but kind of a clear indication that the Celtics have a great system but are still a little low on high end talent. And also a warning sign that Raptors garbage basketball like that isn't gonna hold up against real contenders, sweet.
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attackmole posted:Man, that Raptors Celtics game... Raptors came back and won while having half the assists the Celtics put up. Which was nice for me as a Raptors fan, but kind of a clear indication that the Celtics have a great system but are still a little low on high end talent. They play better without Isaiah as a team but they don't have the scoring punch to win tough games without him. As much as I like Isaiah, we're not going anywhere with a 5 foot 9 guy as our only potent scoring option, especially seeing as apparently Marcus Smart takes the shots at the end of games when Isaiah is out. The system is great but goddamn get a normal star please
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Can someone who is smarter than me at advanced metrics explain why Wiggins is so bad when his stats are at least ok by the eye test? He shoots 3s well, he doesn't turn the ball over a ton. I understand he takes to many 2s a game, but they don't really seem like they should rate him THAT low. e: eyeballing his stats, I'd guess he was a .09-.1 WS/48 player and he is .047.
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Zogo posted:They have the best D FG% in the entire league right now. Now I know what stat to point to when someone tries to discredit GSW because of "defense." Thanks, Zogo!
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Paul Zuvella posted:Can someone who is smarter than me at advanced metrics explain why Wiggins is so bad when his stats are at least ok by the eye test? His numbers are bad partially because he got the ball in low-efficiency situations (especially before this season). isolations and post ups are low efficiency plays, so even good players's numbers look bad. This season he is playing off the ball more, and his shooting numbers have naturally improved. He is still taking too many bad shots for him to put up good numbers. If he played for my team I would threaten to bench him every time he dribbled more than once without moving the ball or driving. I don't know why he still has bad habits. I get the feeling his previous coaches allowed him to get away with this, but I can't imagine Thibs encouraging it. dokmo fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Dec 12, 2016 |
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Paul Zuvella posted:Can someone who is smarter than me at advanced metrics explain why Wiggins is so bad when his stats are at least ok by the eye test? Team defense goes into Winshare. If you are playing on a really bad defensive team, you'll get "blame". His DRTG is 116 (and you can argue DRTG effectiveness) which feeds into Winshare. Towns' winshare is lower than a lot of other guys who have worse PERs/Stats overall too. Wiggin's PER (which measures production) is decent enough, his efficiency is alright for his usage. Saying "He is so bad" is kind of a misnomer here, there aren't many 21 year olds getting minutes at the Wing, and him and LaVine are the two best. That appears to be true if you extend it out to 21 and younger. If you look at guys 21 or younger getting minutes, there are only 6 in the league who have WS of .100 or higher, and it's 5 big men + LaVine. Wiggins is the #1 pick so he'll get a lot of scrutiny, but people are quick to throw him under the bus. He'll probably not be a superstar, but in that list of "Points but lowish WS" list I kinda like the Glen Robinson comp. Also, don't use VORP, VORP is dumb. It has Ariza (#20) and Caldwell-Pope (#21) ranked higher than DeRozan (#41) and DeAndre Jordan (#45).
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Paul Zuvella posted:Can someone who is smarter than me at advanced metrics explain why Wiggins is so bad when his stats are at least ok by the eye test? I'm not too sure on how ws is calculated but it's gotta have to do with him being dead last in DRPM for SFs e: yuck https://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/DRPM/position/5 Cool Buff Man fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Dec 12, 2016 |
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Jack's Flow posted:He's bad. 96-97 Jerry Stackhouse and Allen Iverson both on this list LOL
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dokmo posted:His numbers are bad partially because he got the ball in low-efficiency situations (especially before this season). isolations and post ups are low efficiency plays, so even good players's numbers look bad. This season he is playing off the ball more, and his shooting numbers have naturally improved. He is still taking too many bad shots for him to put up good numbers. sam mitchell knows the key to an effective play is being athletic and having 'that look in your eye'
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dokmo posted:His numbers during that streak. They are weird and not great. Really you're going to nitpick 7 straight triple doubles
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Metapod posted:Really you're going to nitpick 7 straight triple doubles They are 7/3 over their last 10 games. Russ gonna russ and all that but Okie pls.
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Metapod posted:Really you're going to nitpick 7 straight triple doubles You bet what is this the dark ages? We have access to real data now no need to rely on medieval numerology anymore. His cherry picking number quest is killing their offense.
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dokmo posted:You bet what is this the dark ages? We have access to real data now no need to rely on medieval numerology anymore. His cherry picking number quest is killing their offense. They've got the 10th best offense in the league and their ortg is better with him on the floor so I'm not sure that's a very good argument as long as they're still winning
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