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H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde
we need an LBJ who's not afraid to dickshame congressmen into socialism

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Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Serf posted:

we need a Huey Long who is willing to head into Congress and sit on desks and bully people

or an LBJ who isn't afraid to menace people and dress them down loudly and publicly

We need an American leftist Voltron, basically

Sanders! Long! FDR! LBJ! Debs! Unite for whats right!

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
LBJ had liberal majorities in both houses which allowed him to implement the Great Society.

There's not gonna be a Great Man savior. Gotta get to work down ballot.

Segmentation Fault
Jun 7, 2012

Accretionist posted:

Or for everyone who wants a nice European style social democracy to move to cascadia and build a new political party from the ground up.

Cascadia is a retarded idea

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

Accretionist posted:

Or for everyone who wants a nice European style social democracy to move to cascadia and build a new political party from the ground up.

Give'm Silicon Valley. I think they'll prefer living in a tech-utopian bubble.

Plus it'll literally let us kill two birds with one stone. :kheldragar:

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

Segmentation Fault posted:

Cascadian Independence* is a retarded idea

Cascadia's actually the strip along the coast, west of the mountains.

Serf
May 5, 2011


GalacticAcid posted:

LBJ had liberal majorities in both houses which allowed him to implement the Great Society.

There's not gonna be a Great Man savior. Gotta get to work down ballot.

oh I know

I think it would work well in our new politics-as-entertainment world tho

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Accretionist posted:

Cascadia's actually the strip along the coast, west of the mountains.

what, like the tsunami inundation zone?

Segmentation Fault
Jun 7, 2012

Accretionist posted:

Cascadia's actually the strip along the coast, west of the mountains.

peh dahnce

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

what, like the tsunami inundation zone?

Some of it, yeah. Volcanos are the real enemy.

Achieve Full Communism or die horribly to a volcano trying


Edit: I'm an idiot. It's shorthand for both, my bad

SickZip
Jul 29, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Accretionist posted:

Or for everyone who wants a nice European style social democracy to move to cascadia and build a new political party from the ground up.

Cascadia - White Flight The Country

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

Joementum posted:

Interesting take from Adam Curtis on what a new left movement might look like, if it happens. [Obligatory soundtrack]

That's it. I think I'll start pushing mild-forms of Anarchism. The write-up inspired me to cross the line.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

SickZip posted:

Cascadia - White Flight The Country

We can petition for foreign refugees to flood out rural conservative voters and keep it from becoming an accidental white enclave

Like a benevolent Free State Project

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
Under Donald "One is Too Many" Trump?

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Accretionist posted:

We can petition for foreign refugees to flood out rural conservative voters and keep it from becoming an accidental white enclave

Like a benevolent Free State Project
that doesn't get rid of the gentrification-promoting predominantly white professionals tho

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

Serf posted:

we need a Huey Long who is willing to head into Congress and sit on desks and bully people

Tell me more.

GalacticAcid posted:

LBJ had liberal majorities in both houses which allowed him to implement the Great Society.

There's not gonna be a Great Man savior. Gotta get to work down ballot.

This is true. Only so many people can be bullied.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


The whip should have a literal whip and crack it menacingly during voting sessions.

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


SickZip posted:

Cascadia - White Flight The Country

That was Arizona until they found Joe Arpaio's phylactery

SickZip
Jul 29, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Accretionist posted:

We can petition for foreign refugees to flood out rural conservative voters and keep it from becoming an accidental white enclave

Like a benevolent Free State Project

The white flight isn't an accident, it's a feature. There's a distinct strain within American liberalism of people who want white supremacy but lack the stomach for the methods required to maintain it. This is basically pandemic in the "I'm Going To Cascadia/Canada/New-Zealand/Whitest-Place-They-Can-Think-Of-At-The-Time" Krew.

edit: these people are unaware of their own tendencies to the extent they'd probably agree with your plan. then in 20 years they'd be talking about moving to iceland

SickZip has issued a correction as of 05:53 on Dec 13, 2016

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Agean90 posted:

The whip should have a literal whip and crack it menacingly during voting sessions.

and filibustering means you hafta duck and weave to avoid it w/o leaving the floor

SickZip
Jul 29, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Lord of Pie posted:

That was Arizona until they found Joe Arpaio's phylactery

Arizona's state motto should be "No Beaches Is An Acceptable Trade Off For Less Mexicans"

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
I feel like I am falling to despair in thinking there will never be a tax increase that is not a sales or payroll tax ever again. Taxing corporation income, capital gains, or progressive personal income tax in any greater way will never happen.

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


SickZip posted:

Arizona's state motto should be "No Beaches Is An Acceptable Trade Off For Less Mexicans"

I know some people who moved to Arizona because Louisiana wasn't quite racist enough

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Lord of Pie posted:

I know some people who moved to Arizona because Louisiana wasn't quite racist enough

impossible

unless they actually meant louisiana "wasn't quite white enough"

Bodyholes
Jun 30, 2005

Grognan posted:

I feel like I am falling to despair in thinking there will never be a tax increase that is not a sales or payroll tax ever again. Taxing corporation income, capital gains, or progressive personal income tax in any greater way will never happen.

We won't fix our taxes until every baby boomer dies.

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Bodyholes posted:

We won't fix our taxes until every reaganite dies.
fixed. a lot of people across generations understand the importance of taxing the rich, they just need to dislodge the unsapient who thought things got better under reagan while their wages and social services shuttered down

this includes the democrats that adopted the reagan economic policy

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

SickZip posted:

The white flight isn't an accident, it's a feature. There's a distinct strain within American liberalism of people who want white supremacy but lack the stomach for the methods required to maintain it. This is basically pandemic in the "I'm Going To Cascadia/Canada/New-Zealand/Whitest-Place-They-Can-Think-Of-At-The-Time" Krew.

edit: these people are unaware of their own tendencies to the extent they'd probably agree with your plan. then in 20 years they'd be talking about moving to iceland

Jokes on them, New Zealand is slightly less white than the US

Edit: Nevermind, just checked, depends on if you count Hispanics. NZ's 67% 'European' while America's 64% white non-hispanic or 72% white overall.

Accretionist has issued a correction as of 06:58 on Dec 13, 2016

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven
David Brock on the Politico Podcast. Why Hillary lost:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/politicos-off-message/id987591126

Reasons why Hillary lost:

Comey.
Loretta Lynch - She should have stopped Comey.
Russians!
Voter Suppression.
Fake News!
The Main Stream media.
Sexism.
Millennials(This is Bernie's fault)
Bernie.
The Hillary campaign didn't compete in Wisconsin.
Didn't press the fact Trump is a conman. Instead focused on racism/fitness to lead.

Other stuff:
- Brock is REALLY angry when people say Hillary was a bad candidate with no message.
- Blames the campaign press strategy for destroying Hillary's credibility with voters(not taking down CLINTON CASH)
- Brock says media brass is completely in the tank for Trump, including MSNBC(???)
- Times is anti-Clinton.
- Hillary was liked by the press, should have been feared. The press are animals and Trump made them fear him.
- Too much analytics.
- Brock says the way Trump played PUSSYGATE was perfect. He went right after the Clintons. Brock says his sister bought the "Locker room-talk" line and voted Trump.
- Clinton foundation and the Clinton campaign couldn't come up with a joint defense from attack(Brock blames the HRC campaign for this)
- Brock brings up PIZZAGATE. His ex-boyfriend, James Alfeantis, is the owner of Comet Ping Pong. James is under constant death threats. Broke starts to tear up here.

On Trump:
- Trump is a proto-fascist
- "Keep him unpopular" should be the strategy moving forward.
- The Generals in his cabinet are the only ray of light. Brock thinks they will keep Trump in check.

Lots of stuff there. Brock puts a lot on Sanders. Says CTR was only 15 kids...

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

GalacticAcid posted:

LBJ had liberal majorities in both houses which allowed him to implement the Great Society.

There's not gonna be a Great Man savior. Gotta get to work down ballot.
if only Obama had a sweeping mandate and 58% majorities in both houses of congress for the majority of his first congressional term and a short period of a few months of a filibuster-proof senate majority

just think of what great things obama could have accomplished then

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven
Brock says the HRC campaign had no persuasion script for campaign canvassers... That they had deep analytics but no real outreach.

Also he says HRC is not going to retire, and that she's more popular than Bernie, and she won the popular vote!

Breakfast All Day
Oct 21, 2004

man who built latter 2/3rds of story fabrication career around clinton brand insistent that clinton brand will go on, news at 11

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
forget putting the broctopus in the gulag, the broctopus needs to have the gulag built on top of him.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

If David Brock were a pet you'd euthanize him and put 'im out of his misery.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool
david brock slut shamed a sexual assault victim for money

Bushiz
Sep 21, 2004

The #1 Threat to Ba Sing Se

Grimey Drawer
The comet ping pong guy doesn't deserve a bunch of psychopaths threatening to kill him but David Brock definitely deserves the sort of anguish you get from having a loved one getting death threats. Like if the comet ping pong dude were doing just great but David Brock still felt like he was getting death threats, that would be ideal.

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool
i like how he blames lynch but not the man who gave comey, a partisan piece of poo poo, his job

barack hussein obama

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.
Team of rivals!

I'm starting to think Democrats may need to stop taking inspiration from Abe Lincoln.

Trumpenproletariat
Nov 26, 2016

by zen death robot

Serf posted:

why do this when 2017 is guaranteed to be 1000x worse

actually I have a strong inkling that 2017 will be my BEST YEAR YET

coming up strong after 2016, which apart from myriad celebrity deaths, was fucken awesome

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


It's gonna be annoying, but Dems would be wise to turn the Russia hacks into Trump's Benghazi.

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Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

The Kingfish posted:

It's gonna be annoying, but Dems would be wise to turn the Russia hacks into Trump's Benghazi.

That seems like a bad idea. Like I know you don't mean this at the exclusion of all else, but even in a greater context, I don't think the Dem base would take that seriously. And Trump blithely dismissing this stuff will be the even more cool, relatable version of Hillary looking annoyed with Trey Gowdy.


Dems' eyes should be on Paul Ryan. This entire idea that people are painting him as the 'good sensible Republican' when they need to have the knives out for him as he plans to dismantle entitlement programs further- that's a narrative you can win against a snot-eating dork like Ryan, and it's the right thing to do for people.

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