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Concerned Citizen posted:i think it's fair to question the wisdom of this given today's political climate, although i imagine the designers of this program would never have imagined a day when fighting poverty would suddenly be unpopular. given how much of the electorate are Christians In Name Only, this isn't too surprising.
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GlyphGryph posted:You seem pretty familiar with him - can you explain in what way? I have trouble seeing how he could be a friend to labour and also a staunch supporter of the free trade agenda. An ally of convenience, maybe, but a "friend"? I think his problem is indicative of the Democratic party at large - in private, he supports a lot of things (he's even acknowledged and expressed support of the need to rework major labor law, such as Taft Hartley, although I dunno to what extent) but he also can pander a bit (such as the Dakota Access stuff). he also definitely plays ball with Democratic national priorities, which includes free trade. he caveats this stuff to us in private by talking about stricter labor protections and a need to rework labor law on a macro scale in order to combat the 'inevitability' of free trade. in a purely practical sense, though, his department has been one of the most responsive and proactive DoL in decades
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http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/thirteen-women-who-should-think-about-running-for-president-in-2020 For some, the Presidency is literally all about aesthetics.
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RENEGADE CUCKSKY posted:I think his problem is indicative of the Democratic party at large - in private, he supports a lot of things (he's even acknowledged and expressed support of the need to rework major labor law, such as Taft Hartley, although I dunno to what extent) but he also can pander a bit (such as the Dakota Access stuff).
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:we're approaching a time where realpolitik matters less and less though, and people definitely want some factors working outside the current system judging by the swath of vote abstaining among democrats lately I don't disagree with you The labor community is a fan of his though because the way he's ran the DoL has legitimately helped a lot of people better themselves and their communities. I would still prefer Ellison as DNC chair, because although they hold similar positions there are a few (very) noticeable differences between them and the D establishment (and particularly those affiliated with the Clintons) should be rocketed into the Sun ASAP
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/thirteen-women-who-should-think-about-running-for-president-in-2020 yes the democrats should take a page from such runaway success stories as marco rubio and ted cruz e: lmao sheryl sandberg what the gently caress is wrong with these people.
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/thirteen-women-who-should-think-about-running-for-president-in-2020 susan collins lmao quote:*A previous version of the photo caption on this piece incorrectly identified Susan Collins as a Democrat.
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lmao if you dont have fits my needs and concerned citizen on your block list
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Some of those choices were solid (Warren, Duckworth, and until a few weeks ago I'd have said Gabbard  ) but yeah the majority of them just make her come off as someone who is super desperate to have a woman President and is kind of desperately casting about for someone else to fill the rolelike the COO of Facebook,  examine the line "picture her, for a moment, on a debate stage with Donald Trump, cheerfully taking him down. Why shouldn’t she beat him?" referring to Amy Klobuchar, y'know, that person who nobody outside Minnesota has ever heard speak
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/thirteen-women-who-should-think-about-running-for-president-in-2020 i can name at least one publication which should be sent straight to the guillotine
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Bushiz posted:yes the democrats should take a page from such runaway success stories as marco rubio and ted cruz
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spare none but Jacobinmag
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Nichael posted:I think Moore really re-established his credibility in 2016. We went from making fun of him in July to saying how prescient he was in November. I have to give him that. I wasn't making fun of him because I already knew he was right about Trump and populism, which was obvious if you'd seen the Brexit result in the UK. Maybe for a self-blinded idiot in an echo chamber you were all making fun. That's why your tears were so delicious to harvest
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Trumpenproletariat posted:I wasn't making fun of him because I already knew he was right about Trump and populism, which was obvious if you'd seen the Brexit result in the UK. the UK is a different country from America and an entirely different set of circumstances caused the Brexit vote than caused Trump's victory in short this is a stupid comparison to draw hope this helps
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they have a point. after Brexit I had a cold feeling in my gut that Trump would win. but the polls said otherwise and like a fool I trusted them, but then I forgot the polls were wrong about Brexit too we should've seen the rise of right-wing nationalism coming tbh
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Dec 13, 2016 17:33
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its world wide! we're gonna have a big war!
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we're def gunna have a big rear end war
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Baloogan posted:its world wide! we're gonna have a big war!
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Joementum posted:People in Kentucky were mad at the Democrats for offering trash programs on the exchanges when people on Medicaid got cheaper coverage. the one thing hillary got fired up for: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGDKCy0bWGY
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it's gunna start with iran vs saudi arabia imo
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and balloon from there, probably with israel
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Serf posted:they have a point. after Brexit I had a cold feeling in my gut that Trump would win. but the polls said otherwise and like a fool I trusted them, but then I forgot the polls were wrong about Brexit too its almost like the economic conditions that cause these symptoms are happening all over the world, and especially the western world! it's almost like neoliberal capitalism is inherently unstable and without transition to socialism will fall to barbarism or summat!
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my money is on india/pakistan
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Baloogan posted:its world wide! we're gonna have a big war!  tons of people are gonna die, and the human species itself might end! this is a thing we should be excited about! hahahahahaha nothing matters!
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rudatron posted:my money is on india/pakistan oooo ya. that's a conflict that's been brewing
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At least the last time there was a gently caress off awful depression resulting in capitalism's collapse there was still strong socialism and communism around to provide a counterweight to the fascism. Now after the destruction of the left, neo-fascism is the only way remaining. The Left needs to get itself organized, and quickly, or we'll be staring up at a giant gold orange head for the rest of our lives. Which personally I don't have a problem with, I like Trump's neo-fascism better than the lovely neoliberalism that came before it at least. As do millions of voters in the west, apparently.
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rudatron posted:my money is on india/pakistan I'd say "what side would we be on" here since we're theoretically allied with both countries (although Pakistan has been a lovely ally) but then I remembered that modern proxy wars don't necessarily involve using a country's sovereign government as your proxy
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:kablammo lamo! 
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loquacius posted:Some of those choices were solid (Warren, Duckworth, and until a few weeks ago I'd have said Gabbard Heck, all of the people on that list might be good- but if there's more than a sentence dedicated to explaining the policies of these 13 women, I missed it. They just say "well, this person is progressive, and also..." like there's some consistent definition of that anymore. Warren probably leans towards a lot of policies I'd support. Duckworth I'm incredibly suspicious of. But for the author of the article, it's all about can they tell a narrative that'd make a nice little movie.
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pew pchew pchew *holds up hands over shoulder like holding rocket launcher* wooooooooooosh BLAAAAHWWWW
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imo syria turkey iraq is still really hosed up and could kablammo, plus ukraine could get overrun in a week or two
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And I was just thinking of joining the National Guard too. oh man this is going to be fricken awesome https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jvph0r09nDU
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lol people think America is going to get involved in the coming war, you have a loving pussy rear end president who leads a pussy rear end party there will be no world war I or world war II "BAH GAWD THAT'S AMERICA'S MUSIC!" the audience will keep looking at the entrance as the action in the ring gets more and more out of hand and as the last civilian is executed we just get mike tenay shouting "We'll see you on thunder!"
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I can't wait to be shot and killed by my local national guard ~16 hours after the passing of the GOP A Better America Enabling Act.
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/thirteen-women-who-should-think-about-running-for-president-in-2020 "Kirsten Gillibrand, junior senator from New York. She is just a couple of steps behind Hillary Clinton, in terms of her relations with leading members of the Party establishment. She’s sometimes said to want the big job a little too much—but let’s throw that thinking right out. "
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loquacius posted:the UK is a different country from America and an entirely different set of circumstances caused the Brexit vote than caused Trump's victory *leans into microphone*  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkm2Vfj42FY
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/thirteen-women-who-should-think-about-running-for-president-in-2020 Uh, isn't McCaskill dying of cancer?
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zegermans posted:Uh, isn't McCaskill dying of cancer? she has breast cancer but it was caught early so she's getting treatment and probably will pull through larry hogan, republican governor of maryland, is probably who your thinking of. he has very late stage 3 non-Hodgkin's lymphoma so he's committed to killing as much of Maryland as possible before death takes him
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zegermans posted:Uh, isn't McCaskill dying of cancer? also quote:She has also been criticized for tweeting a bit too much and too adeptly—but is that a minus or a plus? this is like a bad job interview answer "What would you say is your biggest weakness?" "Well, some people have told me that I'm just too good at Twitter. It's a curse!"
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Zikan posted:*leans into microphone* I'm not going to watch this 86-minute-long Youtube video, but we didn't lose this election because Trump's philosophy matches up so well with the American people, we lost this election because the DNC poo poo the bed Trump had fewer votes than Romney
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