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raditts posted:gently caress, this reminds me that I got Zombiu as a Christmas present last year and have yet to take it out of the shrink wrapping keep it in the shrink wrap and sell it in 15 years when neohipsters want to complete there ironic bad game collection
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deadly_pudding posted:I think if you drift too far away from the Vader/Skywalker Jedi thread, in the films at least, you risk just making like a generic movie about Space Pirates. Huge amount of Star Wars, as a setting, is wrapped up in this idea that a terrible and irresistible destiny between the Jedi and Sith basically has the entire Galaxy in its grip. If you take away the lightsabers and mysticism, you're just kinda left with a completely generic space opera setting, which like, that's fine, but it's a waste to attach the Star Wars brand to it. If only the Jedi/Sith thing weren't super boring
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lets hang out posted:If only the Jedi/Sith thing weren't super boring If you strip out the Jedi/Sith, and just keep the rebels/empire thread, then congratulations it's just Space World War 2. The Space Allies have to stop the Space Fascist Powers from conquering all of their Space Countries and presumably purging the Space Minorities. It's not a coincidence that everybody you see working directly under the empire post-Palpatine is a human or a clone of a human. It's a direct analog to naziism.
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Star Wars has a lot of signature elements but they don't all have to be foregrounded all the time in every story. The old EU had all kinds of poo poo in it and not all of it was about jedis fighting siths with lightsabers (and a lot of it was garbage, but that's beside the point). The main criticism of Force Awakens was that it was a carbon copy of a story that had already been told, I hope Rogue One does well so they get pushed in a new direction.
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I'd watch movies about space ww2
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That's basically what Rogue One is, according to the soundtrack composer.
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Mak0rz posted:Am i reading right? You played through all the Kirby games but stopped at the best one?? Stopped after. I then I picked up dream course on 3DS VC to just keep playing it on commutes. It's hard to marathon because of how easy the games are IMO, stuff like mega man and Castlevania felt very rewarding to experience the crests and valleys of accomplishment. Kirby games are really fun but I quickly found I'd rather space them out and chip away when I want downtime between more involved games.
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dream course is the best kirby but that's because it's obviously so different and i'm not especially fond of the mainline kirbys anyway. 64 was fun i guess
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Dec 13, 2016 18:08
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It does sound more like something I'd like. I don't even mind (is this a spoiler I'm not sure, someone said it was in a trailer?) Vader being in it because he was a cool ominous guy at some point, it's the really tortured light side/dark side stuff that I don't care about at all
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lets hang out posted:I'd watch movies about space ww2 Harrow posted:That's basically what Rogue One is, according to the soundtrack composer. I look forward to when the rebels/allies realise they can outproduce the empire/axis and make 5 slightly smaller but equally well armoured death stars and the empire/axis inevitably crumbles under the weight of its tendency to overdesign everything. (I don't think it's going to be WW2 in space since what I just described sounds really boring to watch, but that's basically how it would go. That, or the scientists who could have worked on the death star/nuke will have already left the empire to join the rebels and they're the ones who actually end up with the superweapon.)
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the jedi sith stuff is more interesting when it's personal luke/vader or rey/kylo stuff and insanely boring when the jedi are an intragalactic political force of thousands
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looking back, i really enjoyed force awakens outside of the grandpa + grandma han leia stuff
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In Training posted:Stopped after. I then I picked up dream course on 3DS VC to just keep playing it on commutes. It's hard to marathon because of how easy the games are IMO, stuff like mega man and Castlevania felt very rewarding to experience the crests and valleys of accomplishment. Kirby games are really fun but I quickly found I'd rather space them out and chip away when I want downtime between more involved games. I got burned out on trying to do every Yakuza game this year- got through 2 (which has held up remarkably well for a PS2 game) then started playing around in 4 before I stopped. Decided I didn't really want to rush through them- series kind of encourages you to meander around and check things out and trying to just blitz through the games felt wrong. Definitely going back to it later though. Want to wander around 2 a little more and really take time to properly screw around in 4 and then maybe go back and do 3. Oh also started with Dead Souls which is the worst one Monkey Fracas fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Dec 13, 2016 |
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Part 2 of Noclip's DOOM documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsoVQWnSOfM This one's about how it struck the self-aware tone it has and it's pretty amusing.
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Monkey Fracas posted:I've still gotta play Deadly Premonition one of these days The combat is fine with mouse look. If you want to trivialize combat more (sort of a spoiler but not really) look up how to get the guitar melee weapon. It's a one hit kill on the everything but the final boss. It's a reward for completing a challenge room iirc
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Yeah I was coming to post it, I'm halfway through and it's goddamn hilarious the way they came to writing the story of DOOM 2016. It involves Bruce Willis.
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I picked up Dragon Quest Heroes while it's only $22, mainly for my wife but who am I kidding It definitely helps improve the Musou formula by having such awesome cute characters. The Healslime is my pal 
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precision posted:I picked up Dragon Quest Heroes while it's only $22, mainly for my wife but who am I kidding Whoa, how long is it only $22 for?
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well my wisdom teeth removal got kicked up a few weeks to this saturday so looks like i get to power through some of my backlog next week thinking rise of the tomb raider, working on my game, and then dishonored 2
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Bicyclops posted:Whoa, how long is it only $22 for? It looks like the sale ended at midnight. 
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deadly_pudding posted:I think if you drift too far away from the Vader/Skywalker Jedi thread, in the films at least, you risk just making like a generic movie about Space Pirates. Huge amount of Star Wars, as a setting, is wrapped up in this idea that a terrible and irresistible destiny between the Jedi and Sith basically has the entire Galaxy in its grip. If you take away the lightsabers and mysticism, you're just kinda left with a completely generic space opera setting, which like, that's fine, but it's a waste to attach the Star Wars brand to it. Maybe this is true if you give a single poo poo about the previous EU and prequel films. I always felt that Luke's journey was a very personal one. Everyone else is doing their own thing, the rebellion doesn't give a poo poo about the jedi or the sith or any of that. Luke's religion helps him destroy the death star in the first film, but this isn't even really known to anyone but him. Many bothans died and many people worked hard to bring down the death star, and that has basically nothing to do with the Jedi or Sith. Luke spends most of Empire Strikes Back off on his own while sketchy people have really straightforward political, economic, and personal quarrels. Nothing to do with the Jedi or Sith. Luke finds out that Vader is his dad, but again, no one gives a poo poo about some Jedi vs Sith balance. In fact, "The Sith" aren't even a thing in the original movies. In Return of the Jedi, Luke isn't even important to destroying the death star. He leaves to go do his own thing. The Jedi-Sith conflict is not important at all to the setting of the original trilogy. The father-son conflict is. deadly_pudding posted:If you strip out the Jedi/Sith, and just keep the rebels/empire thread, then congratulations it's just Space World War 2. The Space Allies have to stop the Space Fascist Powers from conquering all of their Space Countries and presumably purging the Space Minorities. It's literally the opposite of a waste. If it's "just Space World War 2", then why should everyone who wants to tell a space ww2 story have to invent their own setting which is "just space world war 2"? This isn't the thread for it, and I'm pretty much done. I just can't wrap my head around "reusing an existing setting is a waste", since it seems far less wasteful to me than reinventing the wheel. This is finals week for me, but games I plan to play this winter break: FFXV Pokemon Sun/Moon (haven't chosen yet, probably Moon) BF1 Bravely Default DQ Builders (I think I'm going to start recreating Bloodborne buildings in DQB)
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Ostentatious posted:new madden game is looking sick Is than OPEN WORLD MADDEN GAME?!
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Snak posted:This isn't the thread for it, and I'm pretty much done. I just can't wrap my head around "reusing an existing setting is a waste", since it seems far less wasteful to me than reinventing the wheel. Using that setting means you have to deal with all of the baggage that goes with that setting, both within the story and within the audience's perception of it. It means that doing certain things requires more effort on your part to get the audience to go with them (and the people funding it, in the case of a movie). That's pretty much it. That doesn't mean that using an original setting avoids all of those issues, but it does at least nominally give the author a lot more freedom to do what they actually find interesting. That said, constraints aren't always bad. Experience leads me to think that directly taking another setting and writing stories in it usually leads to less interesting stories, though. Edit: But yeah this ain't the thread for that talk.
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Snak posted:Maybe this is true if you give a single poo poo about the previous EU and prequel films. I always felt that Luke's journey was a very personal one. Everyone else is doing their own thing, the rebellion doesn't give a poo poo about the jedi or the sith or any of that. Luke's religion helps him destroy the death star in the first film, but this isn't even really known to anyone but him. Many bothans died and many people worked hard to bring down the death star, and that has basically nothing to do with the Jedi or Sith. I just rewatched Empire Strikes Back and, really, Luke accomplishes surprisingly little in that one. Leaving his training to go save his friends leads to him... not really saving his friends, actually. In fact, at one point he sees Leia get dragged off and goes in the opposite direction, ending up in a conflict with Vader in which all he does is lose his hand, find out Vader's his dad, and get rescued by Leia and Lando. Maybe it was intended to come across that his distracting Vader is what allowed Leia, Chewie, R2, and Lando to escape?
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Snak posted:This is finals week for me, but games I plan to play this winter break: Pro choices but I'd pick Sun, it has the better exclusives like Vulpix
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Oh man is the spritework in the new Shantae game pretty.
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Yeah I mean, obviously you should tell your story in a setting which is appropriate for it. Any time you are making compromises in your story to fit some kind of expectations, that's gonna be a negative. I really don't agree that it's gonna require more effort on your part to get the audience to go with your story in an existing setting than to get your audience to accept an entirely new setting so they can accept your story. Like, for decades, every "generic space opera setting" was described by critics and viewers as "like star wars". I feel like you have to work just as hard to distance yourself from being a "ripoff" or "cashing in. Like, I do totally get what is being said. I approach Rogue One and future "Star Wars Stories" with a pretty big degree of skepticism. Disney straight up doesn't produce interesting stories. So it remains to be seen how much of a war story you can tell while doing reshoots to bring it more in line with the tone of the franchise. The trailer I saw in front of Doctor Strange actually made Rogue One like boring and lovely with just a bunch of really generic bad dialogue. So, we'll see.
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Ostentatious posted:new madden game is looking sick thug 3
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Maybe I'm just getting old but I feel like a lot of blockbusters these days seem to have a very noticeable formula of giving the audience a scene with a lot of noise and explosions every 20-30 minutes to distract from the fact that there is very little substance to the film. I felt that way about star wars 7, the recent star trek films, the new Harry Potter, etc. I know those movies have always existed but I feel like it's been worse in recent years. Maybe as a result of the marvel boom.
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PantsBandit posted:Maybe I'm just getting old but I feel like a lot of blockbusters these days seem to have a very noticeable formula of giving the audience a scene with a lot of noise and explosions every 20-30 minutes to distract from the fact that there is very little substance to the film. I felt that way about star wars 7, the recent star trek films, the new Harry Potter, etc. You're definitely not wrong. In Star Wars VII's case, they basically just redid the plot of Episode IV with a few more explosions and also the Death Star was a planet.
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The superhero boom is definitely annoying and the only portion of it I've enjoyed has been two of the Netflix series, but I actually really liked the new Star Wars. There are definitely huge chases and explosions added to most adventure-y type films, that's kind of part of the formula. There's nothing wrong with tropes if they're used correctly; Pacific Rim is a pretty good example. There are always films with actual substance being produced, but whether or not they're the kind of films that have money or awards thrown at them sort of fluctuates every five years or so. 3D is loving terrible, though, and as a stereoblind person, it's really obvious when stuff was inserted purely for the "It's coming right at the audience!!" effect. It does nothing but wash out the colors and encourage gimmickry and they should stop making them entirely.
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PantsBandit posted:Maybe I'm just getting old but I feel like a lot of blockbusters these days seem to have a very noticeable formula of giving the audience a scene with a lot of noise and explosions every 20-30 minutes to distract from the fact that there is very little substance to the film. I felt that way about star wars 7, the recent star trek films, the new Harry Potter, etc. Yeah, it's really a shame. The Marvel movies have been such huge sucesses, that not only are all the MCU films the same formula, everyone wants to copy it. It's a like a videogame. where character development is relegated to cutscenes between the action segments. Look at Doctor Strange. You get 10 minutes of actors actually acting, talking about their feelings, and then 10 minutes of random loving buildings kaleidoscoping in some kind of fight scene that doesn't make a lot of sense. Repeat for 2 hours. That's basically the whole movie. And huge chunks of it are "You don't believe me?" "You're lying!" "Then maybe this VFX sequence will convince you!" My favorite part of Doctor Strange was him being an rear end in a top hat at the beginning, both before, and after his accident. Then we're essential told that his character grows up a bit offscreen. They, despite still being a huge brat with no respect for authority, he gets a promotion. Because that's what the plot requires to happen.
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Apparently Vader makes more or less a dad pun in the new Star Wars movie, though I don't know what it is. On the one hand it takes away from him being an ominous and imposing figure, but on the other the thought of him smugly grinning to himself with his half mouth and then being disappointed when nobody acknowledges it is funny to me.
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"How'd you arrive so quickly, Lord Vader?" "I can travel pretty speedily in the Jedi borrowed." "That's terribl- uh! My.... neck!"
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Snak posted:My favorite part of Doctor Strange was him being an rear end in a top hat at the beginning, both before, and after his accident. Then we're essential told that his character grows up a bit offscreen. They, despite still being a huge brat with no respect for authority, he gets a promotion. Because that's what the plot requires to happen. In fairness, this is pretty reflective of Strange in the comics. Half of the stuff Dr. Strange gets up to on his own time boils down to "I know this spell is forbidden, but I really need it to stop the <current threat>" *unleashes massive curse upon his enemy, starts shooting tar out of his eyes, accidentally lets an elder god creep into Manhattan* Like, the first thing he does in his new book is get extremely frisky with a demonic worm queen because he's just magical Tony Stark.
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"Lord Vader, I'm extremely worried about this rebel attack." "Hi, Extremely Worried About This Rebel Attack. I'm Dad!"
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I liked Doctor Strange for the imagination it managed to shove into the cracks in the formula. The hospital ghost fight was great and the final battle in the street re-assembling itself as time runs backward was unlike anything I can remember seeing. It's not high art but I don't regret those two hours. There are so drat many MCU movies that some of them are going to be good just through pure luck. Guardians 2 is probably my most anticipated movie of next year.
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