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HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

listen guys, we gotta javascript here so should we just roll our own poo poo or what?

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Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

deploy the YospoScript

# ? Dec 13, 2016 16:35

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

HoboMan posted:

listen guys, we gotta javascript here so what should we just roll our own poo poo or what?

just hire some miserable son of a bitch to javascript for you, and when you cant bear to look at his face anymore fire him and replace him with the next millenial js programmer in line

its the only way, don't touch the poop, etc.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 16:36

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

HoboMan posted:

listen guys, we gotta javascript here so should we just roll our own poo poo or what?

use react

# ? Dec 13, 2016 16:37

Finster Dexter: Oct 20, 2014; Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

I second the suggestion to just do git command line. My experience with git gui is that they all do something strange at some point, and when you're doing merges/rebases I want to be up to my elbows in the muck otherwise if things go sideways it takes a lot longer to figure out in gui and you end up googling for command line fixes anyway.

HoboMan posted:

anyone heard of Aurelia? it's been pitched as our new js framework

it got pitched with the line "made by a designer from Angular 2 who left the project because he thought it was terrible and had too much boilerplate" so i am intrigued. but it's site and blog posts about it look very "modern" javascript circlejerky in how they talk about it

I would make a case that using something that doesn't have a long, proven track record of support and maintenance should be avoided. You could say something like "maybe in 3-5 years, Aurelia will be mature enough to be used in mission critical systems."

Then just use react.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 16:37

Finster Dexter: Oct 20, 2014; Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

Symbolic Butt posted:

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# ? Dec 13, 2016 16:38

HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

VOTE YES ON 69 posted:

just hire

lol

# ? Dec 13, 2016 16:38

HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

i would just use react, but all we really need is client-side databinding which doesn't look like react does very well?

# ? Dec 13, 2016 16:41

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

there's a web browser for classic Amiga that supports HTML4 and CSS2 with HTML5 support in planning stages :pwn:

it requires AGA or a video card and 32MB of RAM though so it doesn't work on my system

# ? Dec 13, 2016 16:41

mystes: May 31, 2006

Luigi Thirty posted:

there's a web browser for classic Amiga that supports HTML4 and CSS2 with HTML5 support in planning stages

it requires AGA or a video card and 32MB of RAM though so it doesn't work on my system

Guess you'll have to write an emulator.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 16:46

hackbunny: Jul 22, 2007; I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

VOTE YES ON 69 posted:

how did you manage to get an even more obnoxious av

# ? Dec 13, 2016 16:48

Mao Zedong Thot: Oct 16, 2008

hackbunny posted:

how did you manage to get an even more obnoxious av

hey now, my last av was good :confused:

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:02

jony neuemonic: Nov 13, 2009

HoboMan posted:

i would just use react, but all we really need is client-side databinding which doesn't look like react does very well?

not to sound like a broken record but, maybe try knockout? it's the sweet spot imo when you aren't building a full on single page app but you need something better organized than jquery spaghetti.

or just go with whatever because picking a js framework is no hill to die on.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:11

ultravoices: May 10, 2004; You are about to embark on a great journey. Are you ready, my friend?

i learned some python, enough to automate all the boring stuff at my stupid job.

i've done some projects in it for fun, learning something new with every one. i wouldn't call myself competent, but I can google what I don't know.

what do I do next so that someone will actually pay me money for being a terrible programmer.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:14

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

jony neuemonic posted:

not to sound like a broken record but, maybe try knockout? it's the sweet spot imo when you aren't building a full on single page app but you need something better organized than jquery spaghetti.

or just go with whatever because picking a js framework is no hill to die on.

no, not whatever.
select whatever from one of the mature frameworks with good tooling.
do not roll your own
do not use some 2-month old fad project

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:15

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

ultravoices posted:

what do I do next so that someone will actually pay me money for being a terrible programmer.

have you tried:

apply for a programming job?

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:15

ultravoices: May 10, 2004; You are about to embark on a great journey. Are you ready, my friend?

Wheany posted:

have you tried:

apply for a programming job?

no. will they know i'm a terrible programmer?

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:17

jony neuemonic: Nov 13, 2009

Wheany posted:

no, not whatever.
select whatever from one of the mature frameworks with good tooling.
do not roll your own
do not use some 2-month old fad project

yep i misread and thought his team had already decided on it. hoboman die on the hill.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:18

HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

ultravoices posted:

no. will they know i'm a terrible programmer?

probably

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ultravoices: May 10, 2004; You are about to embark on a great journey. Are you ready, my friend?

HoboMan posted:

probably

will i still get a job?

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:18

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

Bloody posted:

I wonder what the compiler spits out for that multiply now that I remember the details of the cpu. I bet it's not good

i have nerd sniped myself hard enough that now that im in front of IAR i am finding this out! the original problem:

code:

//    6 	volatile int i = 0;
        MOV.W   #0x0, 0(SP)
//    7   i = i * 80;
        MOV.W   @SP, R15
        RLA.W   R15
        RLA.W   R15
        RLA.W   R15
        RLA.W   R15
        MOV.W   R15, R14
        RLA.W   R15
        RLA.W   R15
        ADD.W   R14, R15
        MOV.W   R15, 0(SP)

it produced this solution for every optimization setting except optimizing for size, which did some wonky poo poo externing to what looks to be a shift-by-four thing that, in the final assembly, looks basically the same but with some more jumping (???)

interestingly, when i switch to a multiply by a non-constant, it calls a hardware multiplier that the default-selected msp430 apparently has (and i didnt realize it had when i did the first example):

code:

//    6 	volatile int i = 0;
        MOV.W   #0x0, 0(SP)
//    7 	int j = i;
        MOV.W   @SP, R15
//    8   i = j * j;
        PUSH.W  SR
        DINT
        NOP
        MOV.W   R15, &0x130
        MOV.W   R15, &0x138
        MOV.W   &0x13a, 0x2(SP)
        POP.W   SR

speculatively, it seems to have avoided this earlier since it requires disabling interrupts, which requires saving and restoring the status register (SR). otherwise it's shorter and faster than the shift-filled version :iiam:

of course, this is all for 16-bit ints. in the 32-bit case, it still does rotations (and a whole lotta them) for the constant multiply and it uses the multiplier with its multiply-accumulate a whole bunch for the non-constant multiply

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:22

Finster Dexter: Oct 20, 2014; Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

ultravoices posted:

will i still get a job?

probably

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:33

HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

ultravoices posted:

will i still get a job?

probably not

to get my first job i applied to three places a day for a solid month and did about a dozen interviews so...

if i had done an internship somewhere it would have probably helped

e: oh sorry i thought you said *the* job not *a* job. you probably will get one

HoboMan fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Dec 13, 2016

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Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

ultravoices posted:

will i still get a job?

sure

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:36

Nehacoo: Sep 9, 2011

Why would I want git support in my editor? Someone mentioned that a page or so ago, I think, and I'm genuinely curious what the benefits are. I usually just keep a terminal open in another workspace and use git cli there and I've never felt constrained by that.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:40

ultravoices: May 10, 2004; You are about to embark on a great journey. Are you ready, my friend?

Wheany posted:

sure

applies for: junior junior junior terrible programmer

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:40

carry on then: Jul 10, 2010; by VideoGames
(and can't post for 10 years!)

Nehacoo posted:

Why would I want git support in my editor? Someone mentioned that a page or so ago, I think, and I'm genuinely curious what the benefits are. I usually just keep a terminal open in another workspace and use git cli there and I've never felt constrained by that.

almost like different people have different workflows that fit them best

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:44

jony neuemonic: Nov 13, 2009

Nehacoo posted:

Why would I want git support in my editor? Someone mentioned that a page or so ago, I think, and I'm genuinely curious what the benefits are. I usually just keep a terminal open in another workspace and use git cli there and I've never felt constrained by that.

they usually have some kind of highlighting for new/changed/deleted lines and modified files which is pretty useful even if you're doing all your git stuff in a terminal.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:45

HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

Nehacoo posted:

Why would I want git support in my editor? Someone mentioned that a page or so ago, I think, and I'm genuinely curious what the benefits are. I usually just keep a terminal open in another workspace and use git cli there and I've never felt constrained by that.

rightclick file -> commit

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:46

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

Nehacoo posted:

Why would I want git support in my editor? Someone mentioned that a page or so ago, I think, and I'm genuinely curious what the benefits are. I usually just keep a terminal open in another workspace and use git cli there and I've never felt constrained by that.

use checkboxes to select files to commit, have a better text editor for the commit message, get a better graphical diff, do extra stuff like clean up or analyze code.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:46

Chalks: Sep 30, 2009

ultravoices posted:

i wouldn't call myself competent, but I can google what I don't know.

This is literally the only thing you need to learn to be a programmer.

Nehacoo posted:

Why would I want git support in my editor? Someone mentioned that a page or so ago, I think, and I'm genuinely curious what the benefits are. I usually just keep a terminal open in another workspace and use git cli there and I've never felt constrained by that.

In VS you get little captions at the top of functions saying "Last updated by Dumb rear end in a top hat 5 days ago with a commit note of 'Farts' and work item 'Needs more farts'". Branch, commit, merge, diff, never leave your IDE again!

Chalks fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Dec 13, 2016

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:47

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

Chalks posted:

This is literally the only thing you need to learn to be a programmer.

however in interviews theyll treat you like a criminal convict if you need to

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:53

anthonypants: May 6, 2007; by Nyc_Tattoo; Dinosaur Gum

Chalks posted:

This is literally the only thing you need to learn to be a programmer.

if you want a job as a programmer there are a few other things you can google, like "fizz buzz [language]"

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:54

Finster Dexter: Oct 20, 2014; Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

HoboMan posted:

probably not

to get my first job i applied to three places a day for a solid month and did about a dozen interviews so...

if i had done an internship somewhere it would have probably helped

e: oh sorry i thought you said *the* job not *a* job. you probably will get one

Yeah, as an entry-level programmer, you need to find just the right job offer that is looking for entry-level/junior devs. That being said, depending on the company/your market/your skills even if they don't say "looking for entry-level terrible programmer" if you have the skills they're looking for they might take you anyway. Just get comfortable with whiteboard exercises, i.e. don't worry about bombing out because you will as a entry-level but it won't matter if they really are willing to hire entry-level guys and train them up.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:56

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
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anthonypants posted:

if you want a job as a programmer there are a few other things you can google, like "fizz buzz [language]"

i wonder how long it would take to figure out fizzbuzz in malbolge

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:56

Finster Dexter: Oct 20, 2014; Beyond is Finster's mad vision of Earth transformed.

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

however in interviews theyll treat you like a criminal convict if you need to

No that's... I don't...

If you're interviewed by competent managers/devs that should not happen at all. If you're not interview by competent managers/devs that think googling for answers is evil then my hot take is don't work there.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 17:58

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

Finster Dexter posted:

If you're interviewed by competent managers/devs that should not happen at all.

that's a pretty big if

# ? Dec 13, 2016 18:05

Chalks: Sep 30, 2009

Finster Dexter posted:

No that's... I don't...

If you're interviewed by competent managers/devs that should not happen at all. If you're not interview by competent managers/devs that think googling for answers is evil then my hot take is don't work there.

Yeah, in our interviews we intentionally set problems that require the solution to act unusually in certain conditions. They're free to use google to help them with the answer, but they'd better read and fulfil the specification. It's a much better test of someone's ability to actually carry out a real world task rather than their ability to pointlessly memorise algorithms.

# ? Dec 13, 2016 18:05

ultravoices: May 10, 2004; You are about to embark on a great journey. Are you ready, my friend?

anthonypants posted:

if you want a job as a programmer there are a few other things you can google, like "fizz buzz [language]"

i can write a loop and know what a modulus operator is, i'm all set to get those dollars.

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HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

ultravoices posted:

i can write a loop and know what a modulus operator is, i'm all set to get those dollars.

if you move to cali and can bullshit a bunch of javascript buzzwords you could immediately be getting a deece six figgies even

but then you would be living near sv and coding in js and personally even a deece six point five is not really tempting enough

# ? Dec 13, 2016 18:14

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