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Khazar-khum posted:17th & 18th c porn is glorious. There was an amazing amount published, which has raised the question of just how literate the general populace was. When you consider that anyone of the merchant classes would need to be able to read and write, along with reeves & clerics, and you see that the market was quite substantial. MILTON: Finally, I get to teach a whole lesson all by myself. And I'm going to teach something relevant, something modern. The printing press! The printing press is really really great SAMUEL PEPYS, sticking his head out an upstairs window: FOR PORN MILTON, looking discomfited: It prints real quick so you don't have to wait PEPYS: FOR PORN MILTON: You can go down to St Paul's PEPYS: FOR PORN MILTON: In God's greatest cathedrals PEPYS: FOR PORN MILTON: And there the masses line up to be enthralled PEPYS: BY PORN MILTON: Hey! PEPYS: THE PRINTING PRESS IS FOR PORN MILTON: Samuel! PEPYS: THE PRINTING PRESS IS FOR PORN MILTON: No! PEPYS: CRACK A BOOK AND TAKE A LOOK AT PORN, PORN, POOOOOOOOORN
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Khazar-khum posted:17th & 18th c porn is glorious. Paleolithic porn, not so much: 
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Imagine all the cave drawing porn that wasn't colorfast or that the cave owner erased when his mom was visiting.
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they were probably pictures made by women of women, especially since the way they look is like how it would look if you looked down at yourself http://s1259.photobucket.com/user/deeallen1982/media/2545386a-b1d3-4c7a-b4ee-b0383e9f19de_zpszw8c58ll.png.htmlhttps://www.jstor.org/stable/2744349?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents HEY GUNS has a new favorite as of 19:13 on Dec 13, 2016 |
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Alhazred posted:Fun Fact about Göring: During WWI he was in charge of an unit called "The Flying Circus". Another fun fact: his brother was a committed anti-Nazi who would use his position at Skoda in the Czech Republic and his name to help protect dissidents and Jews.
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Alhazred posted:Paleolithic porn, not so much: I'm always amazed they had a good idea of what a fat person would look like. There must've been times when people got fairly fat pre-agriculture, but damned if I know how.
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HEY GAL posted:they were probably pictures made by women of women, especially since the way they look is like how it would look if you looked down at yourself Recent discoveries has lead people to theorize that most cave paintings was also done by women since the handprints that were probably some sort of signature looks more like a female hand than a male hand.
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One fact I always found darkly comic is how the head of the Nazi/German spy organisation (the Abwehr) was basically continually lying to Hitler and trying to end the war as fast as possible with German defeat.
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HEY GAL posted:A street in London. JOHN MILTON, center stage Great, I'm going to be humming this and Schadenfruede for weeks again.
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Baron Corbyn posted:Another fun fact: his brother was a committed anti-Nazi who would use his position at Skoda in the Czech Republic and his name to help protect dissidents and Jews. Albert smuggled out hundreds of Jewish children as well. After the war he found it nearly imposable to support himself on his tiny pension as no one would employ him because of his name, so he ended up flat broke and nearly starving. The now adult children found out about his situation and sent him care packages of food and clothes which saved his life. One of the last things he did was to marry his housekeeper so his pension would be transferred to her.
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On the subject of relatives of famous Nazis, Albert Speer's son followed in his father's footsteps and became a successful architect, Himmler's daughter also followed in her father's footsteps and was (is? She's still alive) a leading figure in the neo-Nazi movement. I'm pretty sure the story of Hitler's nephew from Liverpool who ended up in the US Navy has been posted here before too.
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Baron Corbyn posted:On the subject of relatives of famous Nazis, Albert Speer's son followed in his father's footsteps and became a successful architect, Himmler's daughter also followed in her father's footsteps and was (is? She's still alive) a leading figure in the neo-Nazi movement. I'm pretty sure the story of Hitler's nephew from Liverpool who ended up in the US Navy has been posted here before too. I remember that most of the people in Hitlers family had committed suicide or chosen not to have kids, which seems a bit harsh. And Himmlers daughter is, apparently, still alive.
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Josef bugman posted:I remember that most of the people in Hitlers family had committed suicide or chosen not to have kids, which seems a bit harsh. William Patrick Hitler changed his surname to Stuart-Houston after the war to avoid the stigma but did name his firstborn Alexander Adolf which seems like a weird choice after fighting in a war against your Uncle Adolf. None of his sons have had kids though, but three of them are still alive and have said there was no intentional aim to end the bloodline.
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I remember one A-level history class when one guy put his hand up and asked whether Hitler had any children, and the teacher said no, but he had living relatives, and the guy's response was to ask, "Are they in jail?" which we all thought was very funny for some reason.
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Josef bugman posted:One fact I always found darkly comic is how the head of the Nazi/German spy organisation (the Abwehr) was basically continually lying to Hitler and trying to end the war as fast as possible with German defeat. During his time as a double-agent Juan Pujol García managed to both be awarded the Iron Cross and an OBE.
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In 1871 Clell Miller was was acquitted for robbing banks with the Jesse James gang. He then joined them because, in his own words, he might as well join them because his reputation had been ruined by the trial. He was shot and killed in 1876 and in a now familiar twist there's some dispute as to where he's buried. The government claimed he was buried in Northfield while his father claimed that he was buried in Muddy Fork Cemetery in Kearney.
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Alhazred posted:During his time as a double-agent Juan Pujol García managed to both be awarded the Iron Cross and an OBE. WWII sure does give us a whole lot of people who are immensely fun to read about.
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Lieutenant-Colonel "Mad" Jack Churchill:quote:Lieutenant-Colonel John Malcolm Thorpe Fleming "Jack" Churchill, DSO & Bar, MC & Bar (16 September 1906 8 March 1996) was a British Army officer who fought throughout the Second World War armed with a longbow, bagpipes, and a basket-hilted Scottish broadsword.
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VanSandman posted:I'm always amazed they had a good idea of what a fat person would look like. There must've been times when people got fairly fat pre-agriculture, but damned if I know how. You could get fat as a hunter/gatherer if you happen on an area that is particularly rich in food resources (without any near by competition). Obviously that sort of situation won't last forever, as the population increases.
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VanSandman posted:I'm always amazed they had a good idea of what a fat person would look like. There must've been times when people got fairly fat pre-agriculture, but damned if I know how. 1. There are actually small percentages of the population for whom being fat is genetic and not behavioural. 2. Wasn't there a theory floating around a bit ago that this particular relic was actually designed as an aid for childbirth, and the 'fat' features are actually just based on how a pregnant woman would perceive herself?
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Maybe they just liked big butts and could not lie because the concept hadn't been invented yet?
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VanSandman posted:I'm always amazed they had a good idea of what a fat person would look like. There must've been times when people got fairly fat pre-agriculture, but damned if I know how. There has to have been. There have to be people who were genetically predispositioned to be fat, and without the social stigma so they never cared about losing weight. I mean I doubt there were a lot of morbidly obese people but I'm sure there were some chubsters running around.
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Alhazred posted:In 1871 Clell Miller was was acquitted for robbing banks with the Jesse James gang. He then joined them because, in his own words, he might as well join them because his reputation had been ruined by the trial. He was shot and killed in 1876 and in a now familiar twist there's some dispute as to where he's buried. The government claimed he was buried in Northfield while his father claimed that he was buried in Muddy Fork Cemetery in Kearney. This story reminded me of Billy the Kid, one of the most famous Western outlaws of all time, and the time he was once a completely useless and comical figure in a fight against one of the toughest gunfighters anyone ever faced In July of 1878, Billy the Kid (known at the time as William H. Bonney) was part of the Lincoln County Regulators. At the time, Lincoln County in New Mexico was the site of heavy fighting between two factions: a dry goods monopoly under James Dolan (nicknamed "The House") and an upstart dry goods business under John Tunstall and Alexander McSween. Both sides engaged in a bloody war of revenge killings, raids, and posse "arrests" to try and wipe out the competition from February 1878 until Billy the Kid's murder in July 1881. Bonney was already an outlaw when he joined the Regulators (on the side of Tunstall, being formed when he was murdered), and one of their targets was Andrew L. "Buckshot" Roberts, a buffalo hunter and frontiersman. Roberts had stopped at Blazer's Mill to see if a check had come for him; he wanted no part in the Lincoln County War and sold his ranch. Roberts was rumored to be part of the posse that killed Tunstall and the Regulators flipped their poo poo when they saw him riding up to the mill, figuring that he may have been coming to kill them. He probably wasn't, but this is the kind of environment that this fighting fosters. Roberts ended up talking to the Regulator Frank McNab, who tries to convince him to surrender. Roberts refuses, maybe afraid that he'll be executed if he does. As soon as the rest of the Regulators came around the corner with guns drawn, Roberts began retreating while firing a Winchester rifle from the hip. Bonney doesn't even get a shot off before being grazed in the arm. Eventually Roberts runs out of ammo and tries to make a break for his mule (where he left his pistol belt), which leads to Bonney sprinting out of cover firing wildly at him....only to be whacked by the barrel of the empty rifle. In a moment worthy of a movie, Roberts managed to find a .45-70 single shot rifle in the adobe hut he was hiding in and blew half the head off the Regulators' leader as he peeked out from behind cover. In the end, a single man killed 1 and wounded 5. The Regulators picked up their wounded and the body of their dead leader and retreated, leaving Roberts to slowly die over the next 24 hours from his own wounds. The infamous Billy the Kid did absolutely nothing of importance and got himself beaten up by an old man who couldn't raise one arm all the way.
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Alhazred posted:During his time as a double-agent Juan Pujol García managed to both be awarded the Iron Cross and an OBE. García's story is amazing. He manages to so completely fool the nazis that he gets their top medal, they never realise what happened even after the war happened, and they paid him a bunch of cash for his (non-existent) network of informers. They did a great job of keeping the lie that Garcia was a dedicated nazi going despite him giving them false info. In the D-day landings for example, first he tells them that the attack is not going to happen at Normandy, it'll be somewhere else. Then the attack happens at Normandy...so his cover is blown right? No he tells them this is just a diversionary attack, the real attack is still going to happen elsewhere so keep those units in reserve! Then when the supposed real attack never occurs the story becomes "Oh Normandy totally was a diversionary attack and the real attack was going to happen somewhere else, for sure. But the diversionary attack at Normandy was so unexpectedly successful that the allies changed their plans and decided to commit their resources there instead". Every lie has some sort of explanation, and they buy it. Other techniques included sending the Germans real intelligence of military value, but timing it to arrive just too late to use.
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There are cultures where it's desirable to be fat because it means that you are rich enough to have enough food to get fat in the first place and so you are showing off that you're not poor like those other thin plebs.
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Alhazred posted:Recent discoveries has lead people to theorize that most cave paintings was also done by women since the handprints that were probably some sort of signature looks more like a female hand than a male hand. Recent discoveries like Reubens
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Alhazred posted:Paleolithic porn, not so much: No one knows just what the various 'Venus' figures were for. I would guess a variety of things, from porn to childbirth aids to kids' toys.
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Alhazred posted:Fun Fact about Göring: During WWI he was in charge of an unit called "The Flying Circus". The Flying Circus. Jagdgeschwader 1. It was Manfred von Rochtofen's--the Red Baron's-- unit, made up of pilots mostly hand-picked by him. After he was killed on April 21 1918, Goering was chosen as his successor to lead the unit.
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Helith posted:There are cultures where it's desirable to be fat because it means that you are rich enough to have enough food to get fat in the first place and so you are showing off that you're not poor like those other thin plebs. Pale and dainty is a fairly modern thing so far as standards of beauty go in the UK. Even portraits of regency women show them as not exactly thin - I would take a wild punt and guess it's those pesky judgemental Victorians saying that gluttony is a sin which changed things.
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learnincurve posted:Pale and dainty is a fairly modern thing so far as standards of beauty go in the UK. Even portraits of regency women show them as not exactly thin - I would take a wild punt and guess it's those pesky judgemental Victorians saying that gluttony is a sin which changed things. The history of gluttony is actually kind of weird. The exclusive connection between fat fucks and gluttony is relatively modern. In Aquinas' writings for instance compulsively eating too much was of course still gluttony. But so was eating too early. Or eating expensive food. Or eating food that is too dainty. That real issue with gluttony is that you care more about food than god/work/your fellow man. That didn't require you to be particularly fat. This is to say that you might not be wrong because for the Victorians fat=glutton is probably true. But fatness was not always a sign of a moral defect.
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learnincurve posted:Pale and dainty is a fairly modern thing so far as standards of beauty go in the UK. Even portraits of regency women show them as not exactly thin - I would take a wild punt and guess it's those pesky judgemental Victorians saying that gluttony is a sin which changed things. Pale has been popular since the Ancient Egyptians--for women, anyway. Thin really came in during the early 20th C, right around WWI. By the 1920s the completely flat flapper look was the ideal, and that hasn't changed since. Victorian men were supposed to be either 'athletic'--fit/thin but not overly muscular--or heavy. Women tended to be more substantial. They might have a 26" waist from constant corseting, but the hips tended to be voluptuous and the breasts full.
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I've lately been wondering, was it commonplace in history (say, pre-WWII) for world leaders to make these formal statements for the press on international events. For example, did H.H. Asquith and President Taft make any official statements of condolence when the Titanic sank?
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Wheat Loaf posted:I've lately been wondering, was it commonplace in history (say, pre-WWII) for world leaders to make these formal statements for the press on international events. For example, did H.H. Asquith and President Taft make any official statements of condolence when the Titanic sank? Hitler made an official statement of condolence when the New London School exploded in Texas in 1937, and I don't know about Taft but King George V issued an official statement of condolence about the Titanic
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The fatal hike that became a Nazi propaganda coup (Grauniad warning)
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:Fun fact, thanks to digitally cataloging old libraries you can read this obscene subversive text right here: Haha quote:he seeing me look at him turned himself towards me, and then the thing he had in his hand, appeared to be like a white hogs pudding of a reasonable length, which was joyned to his Body quote:"and all the while the man is Rigling his Arse, the Wench is extremely delighted."
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Wheat Loaf posted:I've lately been wondering, was it commonplace in history (say, pre-WWII) for world leaders to make these formal statements for the press on international events. For example, did H.H. Asquith and President Taft make any official statements of condolence when the Titanic sank? http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9F0DE1DE103AE633A2575BC1A9629C946396D6CF
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Wheat Loaf posted:I've lately been wondering, was it commonplace in history (say, pre-WWII) for world leaders to make these formal statements for the press on international events. For example, did H.H. Asquith and President Taft make any official statements of condolence when the Titanic sank? This question reminds of perhaps the weirdest incident of this. In 1998, Deidre Barlow was convicted of fraud, a crime that she didn't commit. British Prime Minister Tony Blair intervened in the case ordering his Home Secretary, Jack Straw to investigate saying quote:It is clear to anyone with eyes in their head she is innocent and she should be freed Which is all well and good except for the fact that Deidre Barlow was a fictional character from long running soap opera, Coronation Street.
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Deteriorata posted:http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9F0DE1DE103AE633A2575BC1A9629C946396D6CF Should also point out that Archibald Butt who died in the sinking of the Titanic was a military aide to Taft. What I didnt know was that according to Wikipedia. quote:Butt accompanied President Taft when he threw out the first ball at the first home game of Major League Baseball's Washington Nationals in 1910 and 1911.[26] Butt died at sea shortly before the season-opening game in 1912 and Taft, according to the Washington Post, was overcome and "could not be present for obvious reasons." One trivia bit about the Titanic I dont think has been mentioned yet was Violet Jessop. Who served on all 3 White Star Line ships, The Olympic, The Titanic, and the Britannic. She was on board the Olympic(Also Captain by Edward Smith) when it collided with the HMS Hawke damaging it enough the ship needed to come in for repairs delaying the launch of the Titanic. Survived the sinking of the Titanic. Then finally was serving as a stewardess for the British Red Cross on the Britannic which was serving as a hospital ship when it struck a mine and sunk. She managed to survive this as well. She wasnt very lucky when it came to White Star ships. One more small Titanic bit. Charles Lightoller the most senior surviving crew member of the Titanic had another brush with history when along with his son used their small yacht the Sundowner to help rescue British soldiers during the evacuation at Dunkirk saving 130 men. I've always been kind of a fan of Lightoller although he didnt perform at his best during the sinking of the Titanic. He took the "women and children first" a bit too literally and launched a few lifeboats with empty seats if there were no women or children nearby. I've always been big into the Titanic ever since I somehow came across Robert Ballards book back in the late 80s whenever it was finally published. There was something about the images of the wreck that drew me in. I could probably sit and watch all unedited footage of them exploring the wrecks if I could. It would be my dream to be able to have high quality footage of the entire interior of the wreck before it all collapses and ends up a giant rust stain on the ocean floor. This is by far my favorite pic of the wreck.  The Turkish Baths. I mean look at how much detail is still there in the glass, and how it survived the bow crashing into the ocean floor. One final thing. Horray you're a member of the crew who somehow managed to survive the sinking, well heres a little gently caress you. You stopped earning pay the moment the ship sunk! DurosKlav has a new favorite as of 10:31 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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Random thing- Lightholler was either related to or a close friend of my grandparents and great grandparents, and as a result I got to spend the 50th anniversary of Dunkirk hanging out with his descendants (son and grandson iirc) on board the Sundowner in Dunkirk harbour. I was only 9 at the time so perhaps didn't get the full import of it, but that boat is /tiny/. The oldest Lightholler was telling us how they had all the soldiers lie on deck to stop the boat overturning. At one point a Messerschmitt 109 lined up to strafe them, but the Lewis gunner they had on the bow shot the plane down before it could attack (somehow!) and it crashed narrowly missing the boat. Oh and I got lashed to the mast for being overexcited.
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